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Another post on Marijuana - 'subtle minds'
#5845975 - 07/11/06 07:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I used to smoke it until around 3-4 months ago. I felt that I had no 'use' for it, and I was starting to despise what i 'became' whilst under its influence. When I say 'became', i mean i acted not-mindful, immature and in a word, STUPID. We (friends and I) used to just run around in fields and have fun, which was cool, but it started to feel very unwholesome. I don't think I abused it hard - the most I ever had was about 5 occasions in 1 week. Everyone I know seems fairly turned-off the stuff now.
Anyway, I decided to have a cone about a fortnight ago, with the intention of investigating its effects on meditation. So I started to quiet my mind, which worked for about one and a half minutes, but then it started to take effect. I feel like it took me on a trip. Instead of meditating, I became very depressed and scared (I was lying in bed in the dark) about my life. I tried desperately to turn my mind towards my memories of the magnificent forests I recently visited, compassion, love, life, opportunity etc, but nothing worked at all!! I'm not sure how this happened, but I simply 'realized' (as i described it at the time). Realized that all things are connected, because they are inherently all the same, and that I'm no exception. Fear/depression instantly became irrelevant. I don't think of this as becoming 'realized', just a small, but significant realization.
Ive had it a couple of times since, and I'm noticing that while under its influence my intuition is heightened, and I talk from the 'guts' more. At the time (when I first tried it again) I wrote down a surprisingly concise and sensible description of what I was thinking at the time. I wrote that Marijuana enhances the 'subtle minds' - causing me to act 'stupid' when running around in fields with other people who are doing likewise, or do some really profound thinking when I'm on my own. I'm yet to try it in a social situation (wont anytime soon) but I think it would be good. When I was into it before, i didn't even know what 'mindful' was. Since then (shortly after losing interest in marijuana 3-4 months ago) Ive developed a keen interest in Zen and have become more aware, I think.
I know this is a LOOOOOOOONG post, I'm basically wondering what others think about Marijuana and spirituality, and the above story. I'm going to use it with alot more respect from now on.
NOTE: I read the term 'subtle minds' in a book on Zen, but I only vaguely remember its meaning. My use of this term above could be somewhat wrong.
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Re: Another post on Marijuana - 'subtle minds' [Re: Sir_Jeans]
#5846026 - 07/11/06 07:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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that's not a long post 
i find it helpful. I am going through marjiuana issues right now. THe last time I tried to get some I was so scared waiting for a phone call and he said that he couldn't find any.
But I still want it. Part of me finds it "evil" that a society would do such things to you for just wanting to get to know your mind with a plant. But laws are changing for the better..... and if I hold out a year I can move to Denver or something to go to grad school, maybe.
(but then again I need to try marijuana again so that I can see if it's worth doing before making a drastic life change just to have legal access to it) - catch 22.
I think it does help minds meet. But then again I think minds already meet...... I know mine does at least. There is a definite link but it's vague at this point. Probably for the better as I wouldn't know what to make of it if it became overtly obvious.
Tripping isn't really meditation though. You would need to get seated in meditation, pipe nearby, and smoke only a tiny tiny tiny amount, and continue meditating, and see "do I want more or is this helpful?" and just ever so gently up the dose, if meditation is your goal. You don't wanna lose control, you might smoke a ton, or you might have to smoke a little, whatever helps you stay "you" and stay meditating.
Now if you want to use it to trip, that works, and it will stil be real good to meditate a lot before you do it, and perhaps even try to while doing it, but that's not really what meditation is about.
be very mindful of at least two things: how smoke effects your lungs. this is extremely important, you do not want to damage them. how smoking effects your chi.
you do NOT want marijuana to drain you, and my experience is that it can and will very quickly. I am not sure if even just doing it once will keep you safe from that. But if you do it as a ritual say, once a week, or perhaps better, once a month, and then you work on repairing any harm, and restoring your vitality and proper chi flow.... then that should be okay.
But what I learned is that smoking was killing me, despite studies saying it doesn't cause lung cancer it was still fucking things up...... and that vaporizing is much better, but still harmful..... [would work in a ritual setting i think without issues for the most part].... and that eating seems to be the ideal way to go.
But with eating.... it's more like you would have to go out on a long walk, meditate sporadically..... and things. otherwise you'd have to eat a dose and spend 3-4 hours in meditation if not more, because the high lasts so long.
eating seems a bit good for the chi, but i am unsure.... i had some nasty butter from weed that was way too old and low quality to begin with, and the next day or two i felt a bit mixed on the issue.
eating is by far superior though. then comes vaporizing with mixed but reduced health hazards (you're putting hot planty things in your lungs after all).... then smoking which is a no-no if you care about health and chi.... unless perhaps you do it very rarely.
these are just my observations though. a very skilled shaman may be able to use the energy released and gained from marijuana to completely heal his entire body and repair the lung damage....... but don't delude yourself into thinking you can do it. i thought i could.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (07/11/06 07:56 AM)
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Re: Another post on Marijuana - 'subtle minds' [Re: leery11]
#5849979 - 07/12/06 06:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I disagree.
First of all, not all plants are VERY harmful to your lungs, mullien for example is smoked for lung infection, and it has a very low tar content.(it should be mentioned lung cancer in smokers of tobacco are caused by radioactivity NOT tar, 90% that is )
And even so, Marijuana doesnt have lots of tar, thats right Marijuana BUD, doest produce lots of tar when smoked, old lies may have claimed Marijuana did, but that was false, and not based on bud. ....................................................
Personally I have noticed that smoking ORGANIC Cannabis, is alot different from smoking chem Cannabis. Its clearer, and more up.
I just got a vaporizer to, ........ Organic Cannabis in a Vaporizer , is nothing like smoking a bowl of chem Cannabis.her I am very amazed by the difference between these. I also dont think Vaping(pretty much anything) Cannabius is harmful. Cannaboids cause no damage to the body, and infact, science is showing the oppisite.
Anyway....... Personal thoughts.
I find Cannabis to be exceptional, wether in those "real world" moments......reading playing guitar(although this blurs the lines ) talking , walking , doing, building, critical thinking.
But Cannabis is also great for those moments when you get right INTO the philosphies you are either trying to understand, or deal with.... or invent

Tonight while listing to some music, Death, the "elephant in your mind" , came up, and I had some VERY deep profound thoughts about Death. Infact, I am going to write an article , "the elephant in your mind", to explain my ideas on Death.
Cannabis, is chemically geared for spiritual experiences, even when people dont use it that way(I belive, and there is some science to back this up )
As for Philosophy, well its hard to put into words, but I will say that it,Cannabis, has oiled the rails for me,a great number of times more then it has sent a train off track.
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Re: Another post on Marijuana - 'subtle minds' [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#5851192 - 07/12/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
And even so, Marijuana doesnt have lots of tar, thats right Marijuana BUD, doest produce lots of tar when smoked, old lies may have claimed Marijuana did, but that was false, and not based on bud.
what is all stuff that collects on the side of your pipes, tar, resin, and to me it collects pretty quick, it happens to collect in your body as well
there are ways to reduce harmful chemicals from smoking, such as pure extraction of THC from the plant, then you cook with the THC oil, to get high, without all the smoke born carsinogins, taking effect,
or
you can use a vaporizor, which cost about 220 or so, and they can reduce the harmful tar and chemical content down by filterizing the smoke, this gives a more pure THC content, I think it works better for higher consumption, say people who go through zones on a weekly bases
or you can just tough it out, smoke off and on, because I think long term pothead, does get to be burnout faze,
the thing about Marijuana for me is that I have many "ideas" for how I want to use it, but the drug itself is still more powerful when one realizes, I'd make sure that what you intend gets executed quickly before u become to KO'd and relaxed to give a shit anymore.
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Re: Another post on Marijuana - 'subtle minds' [Re: capliberty]
#5851347 - 07/12/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I might like to add+
that if bud is smoked right, the ire effect will take its course, with a few adjustments, one will not reject the ire way
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Re: Another post on Marijuana - 'subtle minds' [Re: capliberty]
#5851372 - 07/12/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Marijuana is like any other hallucinogen. You have to know how to use it. So many people I know report feeling anxious, paranoid, neurotic, unconfident, depressed, introverted, stupid, lazy, etc. under its influence; I used to be one of them. Some people even feel schizophrenic when they smoke; I have definitely had this feeling. Now it takes me on spiritual journeys every time I smoke, and I come out of the experience feeling refreshed and reinvigorated.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Another post on Marijuana - 'subtle minds' [Re: capliberty]
#5851385 - 07/12/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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"""Yeah I might like to add+
that if bud is smoked right, the ire effect will take its course, with a few adjustments, one will not reject the ire way """
yaeh i like that...
i used to do a lot of stuff... marijuana I always smoke by myself... too much energy going down
i like to play basketball on lsd
and i like hash to come down
shrooms i like to do in bed. no music, tv, people, lights camera action. just me and me
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Re: Another post on Marijuana - 'subtle minds' [Re: Schwammel]
#5851392 - 07/12/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Schwammel said: """Yeah I might like to add+
that if bud is smoked right, the ire effect will take its course, with a few adjustments, one will not reject the ire way """
yaeh i like that...
i used to do a lot of stuff... marijuana I always smoke by myself... too much energy going down
i like to play basketball on lsd
and i like hash to come down
shrooms i like to do in bed. no music, tv, people, lights camera action. just me and me
Basketball on LSD -- sounds awesome! I play ball regularly; I will definitely have to try this.
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Re: Another post on Marijuana - 'subtle minds' [Re: capliberty]
#5851398 - 07/12/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont really get "zoned" out.
Sure I smoked 30 joints at july first pot rally,but thats different. Usually I smoke very small bowls, or I vaporize.
But, I dont even think that smoking Marijuana is very harmful,.... Organic pot, smoked the right way, is no real big health concern.
IMO, you are already dealing with air pollution, chemicals in carpets, paint, electronics varnishes etc etc etc(the list goes on) So with all this.... Cannabis is not my concern. But I have deep, almost spiritual views on plants, and not just Cannabis, all the herbs.
Cannabis is queen of the plants......... And the friend of Philosophers.
Edited by Psilocybeingzz (07/12/06 04:54 PM)
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Re: Another post on Marijuana - 'subtle minds' [Re: Sir_Jeans]
#5851596 - 07/12/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Never let it become your master. If you are unquestionably its master then it will do you no harm.
-------------------- let yourself be silently drawn by the stronger pull of what you really love
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Re: Another post on Marijuana - 'subtle minds' [Re: mr_kite]
#5852060 - 07/12/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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another good feature about pipes is that tops that sometimes come with the steel pipes, hardly anybody uses them....
are good to use when conserving your stash, you can kinda get a more varible control on how exact of hit you want, it also makes the hit more effective, because the burning and the smoke is compacted, the ability to choke it all off is increased, it builds on more efficent and effective way of hittin, IMO
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Re: Another post on Marijuana - 'subtle minds' [Re: capliberty]
#5853912 - 07/13/06 07:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some interesting points of view people, cheers. I'm not too worried about the health aspects of smoking ==occasionally==. This may be a false sense of security, but I figure that my system can handle it provided I eat well, keep fit and (probably most importantly) keep happy and healthy in the head.
One other interesting thing I thought of whilst I was tripping, is that my experience of life was at a specific place on a 'spectrum' of possible life experiences. I am a guitarist, and I understand that different pitches of sound (measured in Hz) can be related to colors which are also measured in Hz. In (western) music, the 12 notes are repeated in octaves, Eg, if we take A (the A at 440Hz), after A#, B, C, C#, D, D#, E, F, F#, G, and G#, You come to a new A, but an octave higher (at 880Hz). This kind-of relates to colors, IE, a rainbow is one octave of colour (however I'm unsure if there is more than one octave of colour or if we could perceive them - my understanding is of course limited). Long story short, I found my life experience to be a soft shade of yellow. I just felt that I related to this colour perfectly. It also comforted me, because I imagined that in my next life (assuming there will be such a thing) I would have a totally different life experience which could be summarized by a different colour on the 'spectrum of life experience'. Furthermore, in time (infinite in both directions, I guess) "I" would and have experience/d all. The feeling of being universally connected and included makes one feel very content.
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Re: Another post on Marijuana - 'subtle minds' [Re: Sir_Jeans]
#5860766 - 07/15/06 04:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh, by the way, if anyone would like to check out my band, go here: www.myspace.com/questband Its instrumental prog-rock, which i know isn't everyones thing.
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Re: Another post on Marijuana - 'subtle minds' [Re: Sir_Jeans]
#5864443 - 07/16/06 06:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Honestly, I had never even once considered spirituality, at least not until a healthy dose of THC to the head via a bong. Never had time to stop and focus about things in life that were not materialistic, except for after that. Alhtough I've not become slave to it, still never had a clarity on my thoughts, or so many angles in such plain view. It effects everyone differently, as you grow older, and understand the importance of true thought, you begin exercising that ability and really take a philosophical stance. If you just want to play video games or watch tv like a like a stick in the mud, without thought (unfortunately like most stoners) and not submerse yourself into the beauty of genuine profound thought, then yeah, youll be "STUPID" ( I prefer unaware or lazy or even intimidated, because I do not like to think of myself as stupid at any point in my life, as that was me in younger years)
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Re: Another post on Marijuana - 'subtle minds' [Re: DigitalProphet22]
#5865374 - 07/16/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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listen bro,
whats wrong with video games, they can induce profound thought,
you just see the action as a pointless waste of time, the same could be said about a person reading about stuff like this, don't get me wrong if you want to smoke mexican and play boring ass games, then I'm going to say LAME,
but anyone who engages beyond the surface will see the gist, the important thing is that ur satisfied with it,
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Re: Another post on Marijuana - 'subtle minds' [Re: Sir_Jeans]
#5867767 - 07/16/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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just saying, if you can't catch the big picture because you can't get to the next level of your mind because you are too busy leveling on a video game, that's a problem. After you figure out life... hell yeah video games are badass. Good point though, sorry I wasn't clear first time...
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