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OldWoodSpecter
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: dblaney]
#5848302 - 07/11/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you are aiming too high, the end of universe really doesn't concern humans in any way because it's so far away.
I think apocalipse is about god, or bierded aliens or whatever comming to fry earth, clean it up and plant new life.
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: dblaney]
#5848341 - 07/11/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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OldWoodSpecter said: All I'm saying is Jesus asks of you to believe a lot of "strange" things, like the end of the world, angels, beings, and whatnot People can't chew that so they turn to beliefs that don't say anything about those things.
Jesus story seems hard to believe, and that's how people seek truth: they turn to that which is closest to them: which they can imagine and make sense of. Even scientists do that
I agree with that. The problem with religion is one does not know, therefore they follow.
If one knows, one is beyond religion. This is why I like Buddhism, because it's trying to get you to know..... rather than follow. It's as loose as possible, and encourages skepticism.....
now Jesus may have encouraged the same if the gnostic gospels are more accurate (and all I've read is Thomas) but the way the Christian religion is working, is simply as a religion. Lots of followers, lots of believers, few experiencers.
How does one attain liberation by being a Christian? Liberation in the NOW, tangible, measurable liberation.... fulfilment of holy spirit?
Pester God a long time... saying "come on man, transform me already!" Is it not a journey? If it's a journey is it not the same as all journeys?
Are the deities so vain that they only have one iteration, one name, one process, and anyone viewing them the other way is wrong? Are the deities not open ended, flexible, and accepting.... ready to nustle you into the right path if you choose the wrong one?
If Christianity isn't right.... there's a ton of bad karma behind it! I don't like all this fear baggage. In some ways it is transformative though.
and as you said, some people's truths are not other people's truths, so is someone that can't digest the Bible wrong? If so, isn't it inevitable that if they care, if they are seeking, they will come back to it eventually ? (2 different questions)
it's kind of like someone who builds model rockets teaching you how to fly a space-ship, and truely believing he knows how.
teachers should only teach that which they know, not that which they suppose, or are deluded into thinking they know.
so if someone knows Jesus by way of holy spirit and has attained marked transformation, they should teach. Otherwise in fact the blind are truely leading the blind.
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: dblaney]
#5848398 - 07/11/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Or perhaps our universe is part of a multiverse and it appears to arise, abide, and cease just like everything else in existence.
This is fact already, thats why the universe makes no sense really, we're one universe in an infinite amount of universes, in fact the universe is a symbol of infinity but yet still fails to give an accurate picture, we with human cognitive thinking, we can conceptualize a 3 dimensional universe, the 4th being time, but even if you had the human capability, which humans do, to understand the 5th and 6th dimension as it exists in reality, such dimensions define reality as an object in which the universe is defined including space and time, we can view the all encompassing universe from the restrictions of space or time, as one single object, meaning everything is all encompassing to one object, view the universe beyond space or time, one would see the beginning and the end, but the universe would be meaningless to the observer, well it is to certain degree, and is why I think ego death occurs, that when ones mind has evolved and they experienced ego death they are frightened by the rapid change of meaning, the body is naturally repulsed to this existence, because it no longer holds the same revelance to their current state of existence, he transcends beyond the normal plane of existence, which then he becomes a part of that universe more or less as a function, for he dissolved and evolved beyond that universe, for the universe is held on nothing more than tangible concepts that pertain to that universe, as the current meaning dissolves your true being evolves and dissolves at the same time, you no longer live in a physical spectrum that pertains to that universe, for physicality is only defined by interpretation of his senses that relate him to this universe, then if interpretation has been altered his whole entire conception of the universe has been changed, such as everyday concepts like, time, strength, patience, fear, intelligence, compassion. All these concepts will be revolutionized, meaning time doesn't exist, and it can't help you, for there has to be a relevant arbitrary point for time to matter which our universe is that arbitrary point, and with all these concepts will have no meaning, in a way life means everything and it means nothing,
this is why we can conceptualize hallucinations, because their is a plane of existence that resides in same plane of existence but is not voided due to any 3 dimensional boundaries but due to level of consciousness, conceptualizing dimensions beyond 3, good hallucinations are a result of mental leaps of consciousness, as one becomes aware of the true nature of reality,
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: Sinbad]
#5848938 - 07/11/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sinbad said: Look at all the things that have been done in his name becuase of his fame!
Nah, if it wasn't Jesus' teachings, it would have been something else. People can always come up with excuses and reasonings to justify their behavior, and readily do so. None of that shit pertains to his actual teachings, and it doesn't make sense to say that, perhaps if he hadn't brought them forth, we would have been better off... it wasn't his reaction.
Quite honestly, considering all of the bullshit that his teachings were responsible for, his teachings were most effective in revealing oppurtunities for the growth of our human race.
If you say to someone else that you painted your kitchen, and the other person starts screaming and tipping shit over because, to them, they interpret this as a threat to themselves, then it is senseless to state that either you shouldn't have painted your kitchen or told them that you did. In doing so, an error in the manner in which they are operating has been expressed, thus, the oppurtunity for growth has been revealed.
Really fucking tired, so that wasn't exactly coherent, but ya'll can fuck yourself! 
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fireworks_god said: Remember when that environmentalist shot George W. Bush in the leg?
Doesn't anyone else remember that? 
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dblaney
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OldWoodSpecter said: I think you are aiming too high, the end of universe really doesn't concern humans in any way because it's so far away.
I think apocalipse is about god, or bierded aliens or whatever comming to fry earth, clean it up and plant new life.
Ok, then just put in 'the end of earth' instead of 'the end of the universe' in my post
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: leery11]
#5851576 - 07/12/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Remember when that environmentalist shot George W. Bush in the leg? Perhaps if he had been a hunter, he could have hit him with a kill shot.
You must mean GW senior, right?
Anyways, I wish he would have poped his head open, like a grape under presure.
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Edited by Schwammel (07/12/06 07:21 PM)
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: Schwammel]
#5851724 - 07/12/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah my names George "W" Bush, I'm fighting for "freedom",
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Psilocybeingzz said: You must mean GW senior, right?
Nope.
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Schwammel
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whats this all about...
"The former US president George Bush was among more than a thousand mourners who turned out at a memorial service for Ken Lay, the disgraced former chairman of Enron, who died last week." ...
I suppose its ok to steal
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