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A Few Good Men
#5845956 - 07/11/06 06:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You want the truth? You cant handle the truth! 
Jesus, Murdered! Ghandi, Murdered! Prabupada, Murdered!
When will we learn?
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: Sinbad]
#5846024 - 07/11/06 07:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ronald Regan... wounded. 
Remember when that environmentalist shot George W. Bush in the leg? Perhaps if he had been a hunter, he could have hit him with a kill shot. 
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Remember when that environmentalist shot George W. Bush in the leg? Perhaps if he had been a hunter, he could have hit him with a kill shot. 
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no i don't. wtf
it depends on what kind of truth worker you are. if you want to save the whole world or a large portion of people and you do it overtly, then society will have some backlash against you.
if you just work on inviduals that's different.
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The truth puts fear into those who thrive off ignorance. Its a threat becuase we might stop taking our soma!
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: leery11]
#5846432 - 07/11/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Exactly. The stupidest thing Jesus ever did was display his powers in public.
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: Sinbad]
#5846542 - 07/11/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I doubt that. Here we are, thousands of years later, and you are referring to him. I wonder why exactly that is? 
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: Sinbad]
#5846573 - 07/11/06 11:33 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sinbad said: Exactly. The stupidest thing Jesus ever did was display his powers in public.
Buddha was not, according to popular belief and consensus, persecuted, and yet his way is just as sound, if not sounder. Perhaps it is because he did not use his powers?
Did Jesus use powers, was he a real teacher? Or is he a story? The problem with Jesus is the religion about him relies soley on the existence of him and his powers...... whereas the existence of the Buddha does not matter, for his teachings are sound, simple, practical, and down to earth.
Many of Christ's are as well, everything to do with love, but they are COMPLETELY shrouded within a dogmatic system that bases all its faith on the validity of miracles. It isn't so much important to love your neighbor according to the faith, as it is to believe that Jesus was complete HOLY in human form......
if it was found out that he did not exist, or was not GOD incarnate..... I think the religion would fall apart......
Buddhism seems so much more skeptical, agnostic, and practical to me.... people can be dogmatic with it.... but it seems like whether or not the Buddha was or wasn't, the teachings are.
This can be said of Jesus, but not so much of his faith.
You're right though.... a man that can save your spirit without showing you a single miracle is more valuable than a man who has to part the sea for you to believe...... or as Jesus said.... good for those who believe without seeing.
if Jesus was the savior of all of mankind of course it makes complete sense that he had to be persecuted.... that he gave his life so that we could live eternally...... without having to do much for it.
But that's dogma.
Maybe spaghetti is God and whoever eats of it shall taste of the Kingdom... or maybe mushrooms are God........ I mean dogma can explain anything. to be safe eat mushroom spaghetti.
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Look at all the things that have been done in his name becuase of his fame!
If jesus came back today, he'd puke his gutts up seeing all that is being done and has been done in his and his fathers name.
IMHO he could have kept his powers to himself and instructed only those who were ready for to accept his teachings, without the need of miraculous confirmation. Then maybe he would have lived longer, taught more people, and perhaps even passed on his lineage of teaching through disciple succession, to preserve the original teachings throughout time. Instead he was murdered, and his teachings were partially corruped and used by the romans for there own selfish, power hungry desires.
This is assuming of course that jesus did in fact exist. 
Anyway thats just my 2 cents
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: Sinbad]
#5846594 - 07/11/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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if he had such powers maybe such things wouldn't have been done? Maybe they were compiled by the doers so that such things could be done?
Many atrocities for Christ..... little for Buddha, Tao....... lots of Judaism and Islam.
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: Sinbad]
#5847024 - 07/11/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good men die young.
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: Sinbad]
#5847319 - 07/11/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sinbad said: Look at all the things that have been done in his name becuase of his fame!
If jesus came back today, he'd puke his gutts up seeing all that is being done and has been done in his and his fathers name.
IMHO he could have kept his powers to himself and instructed only those who were ready for to accept his teachings, without the need of miraculous confirmation. Then maybe he would have lived longer, taught more people, and perhaps even passed on his lineage of teaching through disciple succession, to preserve the original teachings throughout time. Instead he was murdered, and his teachings were partially corruped and used by the romans for there own selfish, power hungry desires.
This is assuming of course that jesus did in fact exist. 
Anyway thats just my 2 cents
The Christ is the one who descends into the Sea of Samsara, to those who are lost in ignorance and cannot ask the questions that will make them free. And he offers them a cup of cold water in Christ’s name.
in another thread, you said " But if you begin to insult a teacher because of your lack of understanding of his actions, then the only fault lies with your own point of view. Because as practitioners of Vajrayana know, there is no need to raise fault, as all judegment is related to our own attitudes, considerations of point view, and what kind of vision we have. When you judge someone based on your own preconceived ideas, that is an action based upon nothing but ignorance. "
perhaps jesus did exactly what he needed to do in order to reach the people he intended to reach?
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"Good men die young." Well then I am glad to be a contrary son of a bitch.
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: Sinbad]
#5847572 - 07/11/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sinbad said: You want the truth? You cant handle the truth! 
Jesus, Murdered! Ghandi, Murdered! Prabupada, Murdered!
When will we learn?
they're all still around, dreaming their crazy dreams, and fulfilling the promises they made to their followers, and reaping the rewards for their sacrifices.
You think those fascist bully-boys can defeat God's greatest warriors by killing their bodies? 
They just come back with a chip on their shoulder, with more resolve to set the people of this planet free from hatred, bigotry, and unwarranted desire.
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: Deviate]
#5847593 - 07/11/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your correct, i should not have said that his actions were stupid. I only want to point out that his actions had dire consequences not only for the maintenance of his oringinal teaching, but for his own physical body as well. I doubt very much that jesus intended for many of his teachings to be lost, restricted, corrupted and used as tools for the power hungry to control the masses. This is not a preconcieved idea, this is history, this is what has happened to his teachings and this is what has been done in his name.
Im not raising any faults with Jesus himself, or the essential message of his teachings, im merely saying that performing miracles in public is not a very good idea if you want to stay alive and teach as many people as possible, whilst retaining the oringinality and essence of your teaching. This isnt a consideration of point view, or an attitude i hold myself. Its an actual fact that society doesnt look so kindly upon influential teachers who can upsurp the power of a controling government by demonstrating miracles.
Jesus managed to reach alot of people through his teachings, but its a fact that the bible has been corrupted and many of his words lost through the passage of time. Im only suggesting that perahaps if Jesus had passed his teachings on quietly in disciplic successsion, much of his original teachings might still be around today, and perhaps it would have been more difficult for people to use/abuse chistianity in the wrong way.
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: leery11]
#5847622 - 07/11/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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leery11 said: if he had such powers maybe such things wouldn't have been done? Maybe they were compiled by the doers so that such things could be done?
Many atrocities for Christ..... little for Buddha, Tao....... lots of Judaism and Islam.
Let's face it , this is not about truth. It's just about the fact that Budha is easier to digest, because he doesn't come on so strong. It's a question of what is "easy listening"
Truth and a lie follow the law of relativity. The further they are each appart the more the otherone seems like a lie, in a way both are lie and both are truth depending on where you are at the moment. But to a steady observer only one is truth. Problem is people can't be steady for a second.
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: leery11]
#5847660 - 07/11/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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leery11 said: if he had such powers maybe such things wouldn't have been done? Maybe they were compiled by the doers so that such things could be done?
Many atrocities for Christ..... little for Buddha, Tao....... lots of Judaism and Islam.
yeah, I've never heard of a militant taoist. Until I met myself, that is
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leery11 said: if he had such powers maybe such things wouldn't have been done? Maybe they were compiled by the doers so that such things could be done?
Many atrocities for Christ..... little for Buddha, Tao....... lots of Judaism and Islam.
Let's face it , this is not about truth. It's just about the fact that Budha is easier to digest, because he doesn't come on so strong. It's a question of what is "easy listening"
Thats not true at all! The Buddha's teachings are so true to home on so many levels that alot of people just dont want to know, let alone digest. Imagine living your whole life believing very much in the soliditiy and "reality" of this world, only to be told that everything (just as you suspected deep down) is like an illusion, like a dream! Now if thats not a threat to our materialisticly driven societal conditioning, i dont know what is!
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: Sinbad]
#5847746 - 07/11/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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has anyone eaten psylocybe spaghettiana. or maybe alfredo or even bouillabaisse with a nice shroom base.
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Re: A Few Good Men [Re: Sinbad]
#5847794 - 07/11/06 05:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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leery11 said: if he had such powers maybe such things wouldn't have been done? Maybe they were compiled by the doers so that such things could be done?
Many atrocities for Christ..... little for Buddha, Tao....... lots of Judaism and Islam.
Let's face it , this is not about truth. It's just about the fact that Budha is easier to digest, because he doesn't come on so strong. It's a question of what is "easy listening"
Thats not true at all! The Buddha's teachings are so true to home on so many levels that alot of people just dont want to know, let alone digest. Imagine living your whole life believing very much in the soliditiy and "reality" of this world, only to be told that everything (just as you suspected deep down) is like an illusion, like a dream! Now if thats not a threat to our materialisticly driven societal conditioning, i dont know what is!
Not the general audience. Most folks don't care about any of these teachings, but those seeking spirituality like shroomers, mostly easier digest Budha because he doesn't limit them.
It's simple really: one guy tells you you can do whatever you want, the other guy tells you you can't have sex any ways you like it, you can't do this or do that, and you have to believe in a lot of crazy stuff he said.
So naturally people turn to the guy that doesn't tell them what to do.
The savage beast in us seeks freedom no matter the cost, and that beast dominates us most of our lives. So naturally a message that you should shoot the savage beast in the head for safety of your own self sounds like an attack on yourself, because peopel can't see beyond that savage beast.
I'm not saying budhism is less advanced. In fact I'd say you first have to digest Jesus before you can go to Budhism, because its harder to understand. But most people I've abuse budhism to justify their own little addictions and fetishes.
I think all these religions have their place.
Judaism is like entry level: teaches you humility, selfrespect, obedience, order, strenght
Jesus is the next step: after you have learned all those things, you recieve some mercy, the god goes soft on you because you have learned that you don't deserve it just because you exist. So now you learn love, peace, giving, harmony etc.
After you learned the Jesus step you live in perfect harmony with the world
The next step is to build something on top of that steady platform
This is where budhism comes in: its a lesson of what what you can do from potatoes and wooden sticks if you already have them. It teaches us to discover our potential after we learned to live what Jesus taught us.
I don't think anyone can skip each of these steps
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