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The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed!
#5845922 - 07/11/06 06:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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WHEN IT IS TOO INTENSE, YOU TOOK TOO MUCH
 Yes, that is all there is to it. Check just about all the "salvia sucks" threads. People wail how horrible it was to give birth to their livingroom couch, but the thought that they took too much doesn't occur to them, nor to most of the respondents. With most people, the intenser Salvia becomes, the weirder it becomes and the weirder it becomes the more likely it is to get weirded out and really uncomfortable. People don't see the simple fact that they took too much because they did not get the effects they desired. Other effects however were way too strong. Usually this means that you want the drug to do stuff which isn't in its nature and refuse to accept the drug. This is a classic setup for a bad trip and is the result of lack of research and misinformation/misconceptions. Breakthrough. People echo over and over that you must "breakthrough" on Salvia to enjoy its effects. Nothing could be further from the truth. A "breaktrough" means nothing more than effectively ingesting a lot of Salvinorin in a short time. And, to be redundent: Getting too high on Salvia is very uncomfortable for most people. So all this talk of getting "breakthrough" only sets up n00bs for very unpleasant experiences. Salvia is not DMT. With DMT many people "need" the breakthrough in order to receive benefit, with Salvia it sets many people up for a violent transdimensional jolt. Snap out of the Pipe dream: Salvia is no "Legal DMT" so the sacramental laws of DMT do not apply. You need a huge rip with a welding torch of 100x Extract, the smoke must be held in until your anus bleeds.Bitch, please  A common lighter or match flame is more than sufficiently hot to vaporize the Salvinorin. Too hot a flame can even burn much of the salvinorin in mid-air. It is true that Salvia should be smoked in one or two inhalations to be maximally effective. It is true that such a toke should be large.. But.. It is NOT true that you need a huge amount of Salvia because then you likely end up with using too much, and we get to read another "Sally Sux" thread. Desirable amounts of properly inhaled Salvinorin for most people range between 0.125-1.25 miligrams of Salvinorin, typically 500mcg. Because leaves on average contain 2.5mg/gr, these effects can be had from correctly smoking 0.05-0.5 grams of dried leaf, typically 1/5 gram. The typical amount computes to 40mg(5x) 20mg(10x) 10mg(20x) of extracts. As you can see with Salvia 10x Extract it is just a wisp of smoke, not a cone stuffed with the twentyfold thereof. If you hold the smoke for 20 seconds, you will get almost all of the effects of your toke and even if you hold it for 10 you would get a lot. Then, to end this rant, a piece of great Salvia advice: Close your eyes and open your mindWhich is key, because moderate doses of Salvia are many times more interesting when you close your eyes and let go of all prejudices about what it should be like. If you want to have your effects highly impressive with open eyes you need to smoke a lot more and then, you guessed it, you are in the doserange where its likely to get the transdimensional shock only few of us really appreciate. It is aloso far better to advance by repeated moderate doses than to take single high doses, for understandable reasons. All this wrong use gives Salvia a bad name, so I hope this will help things a bit. If my semi-sarcasm offends you, you probably need to alter your smoking habits
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Asante]
#5845930 - 07/11/06 06:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am glad you made this post.Now when more redundant threads pop up,that can be misleading,we can just link to this thread.
 
Nice post and wonderful info.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Asante]
#5845936 - 07/11/06 06:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I never thought of ranting in order to explain, but you have managed quite excellently in this medium, and tossed out a beneficial guidance at the same time.
bravo!
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
#5845939 - 07/11/06 06:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Now when more redundant threads pop up,that can be misleading,we can just link to this thread.
By all means, please do. It's staggering how often these mistakes are made and propagated.
btw your sig is in babelfishy German! "Commmand I Sie, zum der Electrode jetzt freizugeben!" should be: "Ich befehle dich, Electrode sofort wieder rein zu lassen" Bad taste is one thing, bad grammar another
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Asante]
#5845957 - 07/11/06 06:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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n0 wAyz i t00kz 100x 3 hits and it suX0red, SALY D IS TEH GHEY
(joke)
edit: i notice a certain thread is missing now. my assumptions and opinions about which ideas are off limits is correct?
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Asante]
#5846061 - 07/11/06 08:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you for this!
It was needed.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: truekimbo2]
#5846064 - 07/11/06 08:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yea this is a good thread to have made
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Asante]
#5846117 - 07/11/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It really is something that's good to ease in to. Start with smaller doses and build your way up if you want a huge crazy experience. Just like all drugs
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: thatiAM]
#5846277 - 07/11/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Asante]
#5846306 - 07/11/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've gotta disagree. There are 2 salvia experiences. Non breakthrough, and breakthrough. Non breakthrough was nice, it seemed to heighten the colors of nature. Breakthrough's tended to be the most terrifying, and interesting experiences of my whole life.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Flop Johnson]
#5846319 - 07/11/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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lsd and shrooms are pretty well known to act mostly upon the serotonin pathways, salvia is suspected to act indirectly on those pathways as well as others via KOR (somehow). i.e. it is a broader spectrum.
they are all are kinds of spirit medicine, some people want all their medicine sweeter. people into opiates (i do not call salvinorin an opiate at all) find lsd and shrooms too bitter.
I think you get a bit of a spectrum spreading when you go from left to right, also a kind of reduction of sweet Code:
coke - opium - marijuana - lsd delysid - salvia speed - heroin - hashish - mushrooms - ahuasca ecstacy - ecstacy-ecstacy - various rc's crack - morphine- thc - mescalein - ?
the vertical channel is totally artificial but what I am trying to say is that some drugs provide a very narrow spectrum of effects and I have them more to the left. the more interesting ones are to the right I might be upside down but I like lsd best too and salvia is just fine but less sweet for sure.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Flop Johnson]
#5846363 - 07/11/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im sure I will get attacked for this, but whatever someone has to take the opposition
Your opinion is biased by you having taken a towering overdose of Salvia, so heavy a dose that you got flashbacks because of it. Please read my reply in your thread.
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I've gotta disagree. There are 2 salvia experiences. Non breakthrough, and breakthrough. Non breakthrough was nice, it seemed to heighten the colors of nature. Breakthrough's tended to be the most terrifying, and interesting experiences of my whole life.
Please note the *most* here! For *most* people Salvia intensity and unpleasantness go hand in hand but others, like redgreenvines and yourself, these states can be very rewarding. Sheer dose is also important, I believe redgreenvines gets his full Level 6 well below 1 milligram (am I right?) while many newbies use absolutely beastly amounts of Salvia.
The worst I have seen is some poor guy who allegedly smoked one gram of 15x in a bong, which is one hundered interesting doses to redgreenvines or me.
I'm not saying high doses should not be used, but they should be used with extreme care by the select few for whom the benefit outweighs the mental cost. And then, still, you probably will hover around the 1mg mark.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Flop Johnson]
#5846390 - 07/11/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Damn it, Ron... you are stubborn as hell.
About breakthrough. Drawing, imagination or mediation are enough to induce vision below "breakthrough" Voyage level. I also get the sensation that people don't know how to use this herb.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Asante]
#5846404 - 07/11/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im sure I will get attacked for this, but whatever someone has to take the opposition
Your opinion is biased by you having taken a towering overdose of Salvia, so heavy a dose that you got flashbacks because of it. Please read my reply in your thread.
I have smoked salvia like five times since then, at lower doses it doesn't do much and when I do break through its just discomforting - I don't freak out or anything it's just not enjoyable. AND it's not because I am flashing back to the first time. Salvia just is not that cool.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Flop Johnson]
#5846462 - 07/11/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Boy, I don't even know which Salvia thread to post in anymore, they're all pretty much the same exact thing.
Wiccan hit the nail on the head. I tried fly agaric over the weekend (Saturday) and ate 12 grams of it. Two hours after dosing I fell flat on my fucking face on the sidewalk and blacked out. Somebody called 911 and the police came. This is when my trip to the spirit world happened. I don't want to go into detail with the topic being Salvia, but I'll just say that this wasn't the most pleasant of all my trips. Clearly I overdosed, especially for my first time. But this doesn't mean I want it made illegal and rule the mushroom out as *evil*. The same goes for when I overdosed on my threeday morphine binge. You can't just expect something from a drug, and if it doesn't happen, quit altogether and make a final judgement call. Once you know more about it and put the past aside, I'm sure you'll be able to enjoy it.
Oh, and all this talk about measurements, does anybody else kind of just eye the amount they smoke? I always get 10x and put a pinch into the bowl. It ends up being no more than I can get in one hit. Eh, numbers just confuse me I guess.
Great topic!
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! *DELETED* [Re: mellowrubberduck]
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: poboy]
#5846686 - 07/11/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Flop Johnson]
#5846714 - 07/11/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The problem is that smoking "too much" is such a subjective thing. I like to take huge rips, because i think getting giggly on Salvia is a real waste of extract.
I guess if you aren't looking to trip you can take one or two small hits out of a pipe using a match.
Now if your reverse tolerance is up, that's a whole different story.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! *DELETED* [Re: Flop Johnson]
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: poboy]
#5846770 - 07/11/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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poboy said: Why don't people just get a mg scale when doing drugs that call for them.I'm poor as hell and i got one that cost me 50.00 with shipping and its good to 1 mg.I test it each and every time i use it.
Probably because that is $50 extra for something that you will only use a couple of times.
Thats very short term thinking.You can always resell a good scale.I guess you think your mind isn't worth 50.00
Yeah thats probably what I'm thinking. I wouldnt spend $50 to save my brain. Would you spend $5,000 to buy a scale that can weigh micro-grams for LSD? WHY NOT?? It must be because you hate your brain and you dont care how much you dose yourself with!!
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Asante]
#5846778 - 07/11/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wiccan. I appreciate this thread, even if it did turn to garbage quickly.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5846794 - 07/11/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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EquilibriuM said: Wiccan. I appreciate this thread, even if it did turn to garbage quickly.
turned to garbage from the beginning with your salvian propaganda.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Flop Johnson]
#5847027 - 07/11/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wish this could've been stickied for a while, but because of the turnout that'll never happen. Remarks like that, I don't even know what to say about it. Maybe, we could do without them? The blame game shouldn't even start. You yourself keep posting *Salvia propaganda*, so that was contradictory to say, as you put the *blame (of why the topic turned to rubbish)* on yourself.
Too bad.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: mellowrubberduck]
#5847055 - 07/11/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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mellowrubberduck said: I wish this could've been stickied for a while, but because of the turnout that'll never happen. Remarks like that, I don't even know what to say about it. Maybe, we could do without them? The blame game shouldn't even start. You yourself keep posting *Salvia propaganda*, so that was contradictory to say, as you put the *blame (of why the topic turned to rubbish)* on yourself.
Too bad.
too bad indeed, i have to fend off you salviaheads like flies.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Flop Johnson]
#5847075 - 07/11/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You don't have to rag on Salvia, this thread isnt in response to yours but rather to over a hundred threads throughout the years. If you're going to use it, use it wisely!
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Asante]
#5847120 - 07/11/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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okay ill just use this thread to worship it instead...
give salvia to your children
give it to your sick
and to your poor
it cures everything and is vastly enlightening
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Flop Johnson]
#5847151 - 07/11/06 02:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're starting to move into the area of deliberate sabotage..
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Asante]
#5847168 - 07/11/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Plain organic salvia leaf is the way to go IME, I can easily gauge how far I want to go and it is a gentle comeup.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Asante]
#5847209 - 07/11/06 02:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I smoked a big bowl from a bong and from that i cant believe people smoke extracts. My brain was being ripped apart from all sorts of different directions and the trailer i was in turned into a flowing river everything moving quickly in one direction blurring. I freaked out cause i tought it wasnt going to go away and i had to be at work in an hour.
I suggest people take a few good bong rips of regular leaves before messing with extract.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Psychoslut]
#5847224 - 07/11/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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STOP REPLYING TO MOERON HE IS JUST TROLLING
IGNORE HIM COMPLETELY... SERIOUSLY.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Psychoslut]
#5847227 - 07/11/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I suggest people take a few good bong rips of regular leaves before messing with extract.
That is so true!
For people who know what they're doing I would recommend Salvia 10x and a keychain pipe, but in earnest, for many people, plain leaves can get them deeper into salvia than they bargained for. A few days ago a member chewed 1.2gr plain leaves and was fully immersed. Plain leaves are all you need but its better for your lungs to take a wisp of extract than a lungful of leaf. Chewing IS the weay to go though.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: poboy]
#5847289 - 07/11/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I chewed 7 grams of good leaf for 30 min didn't feel a thing.
Now that amazes me! 
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Made x5 with the same leaf.Two tokes drop kicked me into the next world.Strange i heard a voice ask why did i come back.
No surprise here, and many people (me too) end up being talked to from beyond. Voices are fairly common, just like in dreams.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Asante]
#5847300 - 07/11/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Voices are fairly common, just like in dreams.
How about when you aren't the only one hearing them?
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5849616 - 07/12/06 01:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hmm... for me those voices weren't sound. More like telepathy.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Asante]
#5849649 - 07/12/06 01:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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No surprise here, and many people (me too) end up being talked to from beyond. Voices are fairly common, just like in dreams.
indeed, while I was still hitting the pipe I heard voices like "oh my god what are you doing man!?!" "you're taking toooo muuuuuch!!" etc etc not really pleasant 
But now I'm going to start with small amounts and see where that gets me
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: stefan]
#5849811 - 07/12/06 04:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im not gonna lie, the first time I smoked Salvia I smoked it wrong and didn't really enjoy it. Doesn't mean im gonna go ragging on it at a fourm. Shit happens man, get over it.. But now I've learned to enjoy it, I just have to be in the right place and at the right time and I'm good to go. I haven't experimented with too much of it recently but im going to buy some tomorrow. If I get past a level 3 ill try to report.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Asante]
#5850293 - 07/12/06 09:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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How do you even gauge dosage? From personal experience, and most of the anecdotes i have heard there is a definite reverse tolerance. As well as leaves of varying quality, and extractions working randomly. Sometimes you break through, and sometimes you don't.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Dreamer987]
#5851551 - 07/12/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have never used anything but straight leaves and a normal lighter, and I have always had very powerful experiences. I feel like my body is being split into a bunch of sections and then I am in a strange foreign land, usually with a lot of maritime stuff like anchors, foghorns, bells and water sounds. Sometimes I become a fellow named "jack" who lives by the sea, everything seems foreign but familiar at the same time. Really strange trips, but I usually feel quite nice during them. If I keep still and keep my eyes closed the trip can be extended out quite a bit. The comedown is always a nice relaxing time of meditation and reflection for me, I have worked through a lot of personal issues during the comedown period.
I have also successfully vaporized salvia using a heat gun set up. The heat gun temp was set to about 500f, higher than for cannabis, the leaves were heavily browned, but not completely burnt.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Gopal]
#5851671 - 07/12/06 06:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think the biggest advice one can offer regarding Salvia is to do it in silence, with not a lot of stuff going on around you. It's okay to have someone with you (actually, it's recommended), but ask them to remain quiet during your short journey. Close your eyes, and go with it. Looking at things is interesting, but there is nothing like shutting your eyes.
It's not like you get little geometric CEVs. When you close your eyes, you get movie-like visuals that you are immersed in, and you have forgotten that you have smoked anything at all, or that you are in a body and closing your eyes.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: avapxia]
#5851984 - 07/12/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've smoked salvia three times now and have had very different...but strangely similar events. The first time I felt as though I'd been turned into plastic, and so had everything around me. I could feel my skin as a soft, squishy plastic, and could feel stiff supporting rods (where bones generally are) that also seemed to be made of plastic, but thicker. I recall talking without intending to, and sort of "looking around the corner" when I saw lines seperating things. I could sort of grab onto them and pull myself around to see....something I still can't quite recall.
The second time was a day later and the first day's experience was still fresh in my head. I approached the trip with an Anthropologist's attitude and tried to understand what was going on. I again felt like I could grab onto things at the edge, but instead of pulling myself forward I peeled open layers to reveal exactly what I'd been looking at before. It felt like I was always going just a millisecond too slow to get to whatever was behind what I was peeling at. Very confusing.
The third time I'd thought I had things figured out, and I was going to concentrate on peeling through the layers. I did (and still do) want to know what's behind those layers. What I got was something completely different. Both other times I'd been in either a populated area, or in a room with a small group of friends. This time I was alone in the woods, and tried to show a bit more respect. I asked the salvia to help me get through the layers, and got some very different results. I took a big hit of the salvia, but not nearly as big as my previous excursions (I have a very large bowl used for smoking cannabis, and the first time I tried this 10X extract I packed a full bowl and nearly cleared it, having had little to no results with a 5X extract). As I took in the smoke a thought popped into my head "Why are you doing this?" I set my pipe on the ground behind me in a specific spot so I wouldn't do anything to lose it (I'm very attached). What followed was unsettling to say the least. I felt as though I were in some strange game show, mocking me. I remember hearing a voice, though I can't recall what it's said, and feeling resentment. I felt toyed with, tossed around. I got angry and thought very strongly, as one would yell something rebellious and challenging. I went to gather my pipe and was extremely dismayed that I couldn't find it. I got very paranoid that someone would discover me zonked out of my gourd, being toyed with by salvia, searching for my pipe full of resin. I decided I would head back to my car and sit there until the salvia's primary effects had warn off, and come back for my pipe. On the way back I noticed the effects were definately still there, and I stumbled my way through the woods oblivious to any path and scratching the hell out of my legs on every bramble and branch possible. I finally made it back out to the open and things were starting to wear off. I was cursing "that bitch" the whole time I'd been walking back. I got back to my car and found my pipe to be in my pocket, and drove away wondering what went wrong.
This has left me with a strange respect for salvia, and a cautious interest in seeing what else she has to offer. I certainly won't be doing this in the out of doors again any time soon, and I think I will try a small dark room, by myself, with eyes closed. If it hadn't been for my pipe still being in my pocket I think I would have abandoned salvia altogether. I've taken my third experience as a lesson to be very cautious and respectful, but I think with the right approach this plant can be a teacher of....something.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Asante]
#5852080 - 07/12/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Close your eyes and open your mind
Which is key, because moderate doses of Salvia are many times more interesting when you close your eyes and let go of all prejudices about what it should be like.
My best experiances are with a medium dose for my tolerance level and all i do is lay back ALONE and dream....
Its made salvia a favorite of mine.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: BlindLemon]
#5853768 - 07/13/06 04:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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a medium dose for my tolerance level and all i do is lay back ALONE and dream....
That's it
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Asante]
#5859790 - 07/14/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you wiccan seeker, I have lead many of my friends on wonderful salvia journeys, and though I personaly have a very low tolerance some do not, and their tolerance must be learned, but I also believe some people do not have a strong enough mind to question their current view of reality, which strong experiences neccesitate, thus the "bad trips".
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: ngnyus]
#5860324 - 07/14/06 11:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The times I've tried salvia it has seemed very bizarre. Very, very bizarre. That's not to say that I won't try it again. I still have a small bowl or two in my car that I just need to find the right time and setting for.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Asante]
#6978314 - 05/28/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said:You need a huge rip with a welding torch of 100x Extract, the smoke must be held in until your anus bleeds.
HAHAHA! made me LOL. great post!
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Jeroen198]
#6978553 - 05/28/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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>You need a huge rip with a welding torch of 100x Extract, the smoke must be held in until your anus bleeds.
I think that was generally a comeback for the people that say it doesn't work.
Most people I know who've tried it have told me it does nothing. My experiences were quite contrary, so you feel obliged to tell them they are not doing it right.
But I see your point, alot of people moan because the experience was too overwhelming for them. I just enjoyed loosing reality.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Asante]
#8432790 - 05/22/08 12:52 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i can not agree with you more. There are people out in this world that is just looking to get fucked up. You need to seek a certain wisdom or truth to actually enjoy salvia. This is not a recreation social drug to enjoy with your friends. That is where i think all these bad trips come from. You must open up your mind totally and prepare to explore salvia space, when you do this you will have a most excellent trip.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: meggedu2]
#8433187 - 05/22/08 02:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is the coolest thread I have seen in a while.
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Re: The most hidden secret insider-truth about bad Salvia experiences finally revealed! [Re: Rose]
#8434494 - 05/22/08 08:30 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Every time I smoke salvia the body buzz is what really wigs me out. It just feels so weird. The setting I was in last time I smoked it definitely wasn't ideal I had just gotten out a swimming pool and wrapped up in a towel that was the same color as the carpet I was sitting on. I couldn't for the life of me figure out why or how my legs were melting into the carpet. I really liked the afterglow you get when you comedown though.
I would like to experiment more with the leaves after reading this thread. Last time I smoked plain leaves I never got very high, but I think now it was because the pipe was being passed around like marijuana. Salvia is kind of a solo or one at a time thing; its hard to get high passing the bowl.
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