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Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit
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has anyone out there had any personal experience with attempting to fruit a cake/s that was contaminated during colonisation with lipstick mold???

i ask because i birthed 4 cakes 2 days ago that were badly contaminated with, but recovered quite remarkably (visibly anyway) from lipstick mold and am keen to here from anybody that has had succes or failure in a similar situation.

i'm familiar with the usual rules of thumb with contamination and have searched this forum for a while on this topic. i've found plenty of posts asking if fruiting is possible after recovery but no useful ones detailing specific attempts.

if anyone can spare me some info on there experience it would be much appreciated, cheers.


here's a pic of them today, 2 completely recovered however 2 required small areas to be removed, which i did with a sterile knife. i cut deep in to try and remove it all





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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
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Many here will say this is a futile effort.  But good luck, who knows... :smile:


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: CureCat]
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Remember: Color = spores = too late they are all over...

U can still get them to fruit but i wouldn't eat those mushrooms at all.
I'd say: start over... if the contaminated cake is in the fruiting chamber along with the non cont. cakes you are highly risking them, if they are 100% colonizated they could survive tho.

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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: AngeloWish]
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thanks, i do appreciate the input and i've read many posts saying similar and others saying the opposite, such as that it is difficult to contam a fully colonised cake.

i know the risks i've taken birthing these cakes and was just asking if anyone else had taken the same course of action and could comment on the results

cheers


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
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:nonono:
I personally would never birth a mold infected cake.

mold spores are microscopic and very light.
they spread far and fast.

interesting how your cakes "recovered"
I would reckon that this does not happen often at all.
sure they are recovered?

I would guess that you have too much invested
in four dirt cheap cakes that are seemingly doomed for failure.

why not have a bunch of other cakes to fall back on
in case you got a contam in a few?

without any backup some will tend to feel everything is invested
in now contaminated substrate and ruin the grow trying to
make it happen, knowing it will surely fail anyway.

your fc is infected.
your room is likely infected.
the air already was and is now more full of mold spores.

I know it sucks, I know.
But there are certain "rules" in this hobby.
and one is to discard any projects with mold (unless its cobweb in a tray or tub)

there is a good reason for that, and in your future attempts in that
area and in that fc, you will probably find out why it was a bad idea.

but who knows?  you could be the one.
but for four cakes?
not a good move.

but you already did it.
so I do wish you good luck and I am interested to see how it
looks in the near future.

after this attempt is over, do your very best to clean.


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: monstermitch]
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cheers mitch, i've read enough similar posts to know that that is very good advice and for a while i was adhering to it.

but after 6 attempts at preparing and innoculating sets of BRF jars that none of which succesfully colonised without contam (numerous problems including contaminated LC, store clerk sold me white rice flour so nothing grew, wet-spot bacteria etc. etc.) my patience ran thin and i wanted to give these 4 a try.

i say that they 'recovered' for lack of a better word. it was only due to how well the myc consumed the lipstick mold that i felt compelled to give them a go. pure white rhizo myc just grew straight through it and turned it from very bright pink to pure white.

after 3 days in the FC the cakes have shown visible growth, appearing more covered in thick fluffy myc but no signs of knotting yet. is this necessarily a sign of good health though?

i really would like to see them fruit


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
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I would be interested to see them fruit too.
good luck to you.


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: decepticon]
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cheers, i'll keep you posted.

i guess i'll just end up answering my own question in this thread  :wink:


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
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for anyone interested, it is a week since i birthed the cakes and no pins as yet. a friend of mine grew the same strain (where i got the print from) and it took him 15 days to pin using the same tek, so i havent given up yet.

i 'think' 3 of the cakes have started to grow primordia over the past day. i didn't notice heaps of tiny pinbumps like i have previously, but there are deffinetly small bumps of pure-white, fuzzy myc that weren't there before.

i dont have my camera, so took a shot with my phone. quite bad quality.



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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
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Doesn't look like it's gonna grow teeth and eat anyone yet!  :smile:

Keep us posted.


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: CureCat]
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:popcorn:


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: monstermitch]
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Happy b'day mitch :smile:


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
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They would actually fruit fine if you had some casing material on those cakes. Without it, you're not going to achieve much. I've had cakes contaminated with neurospora and stachybotrys both that fruited fine believe it or not, for several months as well. But you'll need to double end case those cakes and get that tub out of your house. I wouldn't do this type of thing in my indoor grow area. If you can, put the bin outside in a shed or in a shaded area outdoors in the yard. I wouldn't even think about doing this with molded cakes in my area where future projects will be worked on. You could even bury the cakes in a small, shaded plot in the yard that holds moisture well for a return. You know, a place in the yard that stays moist or can be watered bi-daily to stay moist? 1" of soil covering the buried cakes is perfect. Good luck none the less.

Edited by hotnutz (07/17/06 02:09 AM)

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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
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Quote:

soma_seeker said:
Happy b'day mitch :smile:



hell yeah,

thanks man.


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: monstermitch]
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thanks for the advice hotnutz.

do u think that casing them at this stage of the game may have an adverse effect if they are in fact going to pin within the next few days?  hypothetical situation i guess, i'm beginning to feel less optimistic and more foolish :frown:

ah well, live and learn.


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
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Sure, go ahead and case them. D/E casing them with moistened vermiculite will certainly improve your yield. Just handle the cakes as lightly as possible while transfering them to the upside down lids that are filled with wet vermiculite. Dead center of the lids. Then you can mist the tops of the cakes with water and then you can simply sprinkle dry vermiculite on the tops. Mist then sprinkle until you've got an even 1/8" of wet vermiculite on the tops as well. Keep the humidity near 100%, while providing sufficiant air exchanges as well. The cakes will fruit in the areas where the casing is and where there's no mold. You'll be surprised what you'll get out of the cakes, even if the cakes are slightly contaminated. But i'd certainly put the bin outdoors or would bury them in a small plot for fruiting. You don't want contaminate spores flying from the bin into your growing area, where future projects will be done.

Personally, i'd bury them.

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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: Hotnuts]
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thanks hotnutz, i'll follow your advice tonight.

any particular reason why you advise double-end casing, but not rolling in verm?

do you think rolling as well would be detrimental or would it just provide no further benefit....

cheers


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
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I've never tried rolling one. I have always done d/e casings with cakes.

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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: Hotnuts]
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cheers mate.

i just DE cased 2 of the 4 cakes. not that i doubt ur advice or anything, i was just keen to see the difference, but i guess chances are all 4 won't do much anyway.

i was suprised when i picked the cakes up how dry they felt. i mean i don't know how they are meant to feel but i assumed they would feel kind of moist and soft. these felt quite dry and stiff....

do u think this is a fault of mine? i'm using perlite humidification with a bubbler that runs the entire diagonal length that runs 24/7.

perhaps this much air-flow is draining my humidity, i use a hygrometer that reads above 90% constantly but its shit quality. sorry, i'm kind of just thinking out loud..... :crazy:

took a couple of pics, again i apologise for the terrible quality







thanks people


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
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They'll start to hydrate themselves from the casings if the casings are saturated with water. Just keep the humidity as high as you can (nearly 100%) and they'll fruit fine in a couple of weeks.

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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: Hotnuts]
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i have battled lipstick over and over... and no they won't fruit.

do they have kind of a pinkish - purple tint to the cakes?

when you took them out of the jar did they smell like a basement? If so it's a wasted attempt to cultivate. I cased mine, and nothing but more and more contams.


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: Oatman2000]
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Sure. They'll fruit from the healthy areas, not the molded areas. I'd still bury them cakes if I were you.

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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: Oatman2000]
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Oatman2000 said:
i have battled lipstick over and over... and no they won't fruit.

do they have kind of a pinkish - purple tint to the cakes?

when you took them out of the jar did they smell like a basement? If so it's a wasted attempt to cultivate. I cased mine, and nothing but more and more contams.



thanks for the input mate.

in answer, no i didn't notice any foul odour when i birthed the cakes. although i didn't especially sniff them as i thought bad smells were associated with bacteria and not molds....

i've experienced wet-spot as well in incubating jars (contams are totally breaking my balls i can tell ya), and i couldn't help but notiice the sour smell coming off them.

the cakes have an orange tint in some of the areas where they were contam'd but then colonised. i've read this is characteristic of the last growth stage of lipstick mold. no further myc growth is occuring in these areas, but where it is absent seems to be continuing to grow, but not pin. is this similar to your experiences?

cheers


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
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YYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
got home from uni today and checked out my cakes, was dissapointed at the fact that what i thought were primordia were joining together and just making big mounds of fluffy myc with no fruits.

so i picked up the cakes (i know i shouldn't) and realised that 3 of 4 had a few pins growing on them. the problem is that the pins are growing on the very bottom of the cake, not the side or bottom corner but completely underneath the weight of the cake.

do u think i should flip the cakes upside-down? there is absolutely no sign of pins on the top

do u think the fact that they are growing on the bottom and the large amounts of fluffy white myc is a sign that my humidity is too high?

thanks to all those who have offered there time and advice  :thumbup:, these are my first pins so i'm quite psyched.


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
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With cakes you can't have too much humidity, you want 98-100%. I also wouldn't flip them. The mushroom on the bottom will be fine and grow right out and flipping could damage primordia on the top that might be trying to pin.

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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: Sinthetic]
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With cakes you can't have too much humidity, you want 98-100%



i thought that was the case, thanks.

i ended up flipping them last night because it was the bottom area that was originally contam'd, the top was untouched by mould. so yeh, i figured it would be for the best.

cheers


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit - PICS!! [Re: soma_seeker]
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hi people, woke up this morning and the fourth cake had begun to pin.

Just took a couple of shots that i thought might interest some.









So what do you think, should i expect some of these to fully mature, or difficult to tell?  Is it normal that some of the pins look like fat globs at the base?

The two large ones are the oldest at 4 days, i'm expecting slow growth due to the significantly colder than optimal temps where i live right now.

Thanks again for ur time and advice  :thumbup:


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit - PICS!! [Re: soma_seeker]
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they will mature if you treat them right!!

good job.

I hope you get enough to have a good night.


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit - PICS!! [Re: monstermitch]
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that's great! i can't believe you got fruits out of that. but it doesn't look contam'd

something like this is bad...  :thumbdown: :mad:



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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit - PICS!! [Re: Oatman2000]
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cheers oatman

a couple have fully matured and i was planning on taking a spore print tonight. i figured this could be good or bad, either the strain may have become more resistent to lipstick mold or i'll collect a shitload of mold spores with it.

i think i might take the risk, things have worked out so far.

here's a pic of what all 4 cakes looked like 2 days after inoculation, i think you'll be convinced they were contam'd  :wink:



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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit - PICS!! [Re: soma_seeker]
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Max Factor could do something with that color. :grin:


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit - PICS!! [Re: Tippinthru]
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G'day people,

harvested the 4 cakes this morning to get a neat 60g wet. I've read that shrooms are 90% water, so can i expect a dry mass of about 6g after a week in my desiccant chamber?

the cakes are in dunking for 12 hrs now, after which time i plan to recase and roll and back into the FC for hopefully another flush. I'm a bit pesimistic about them fruiting again, i'm just happy they managed to once.

three of the four cakes produced (typical?) KSSS fruits that were really short and fat, the fourth however i thought looked pretty cool.





Thanks again all


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit - PICS!! [Re: soma_seeker]
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g'day people,

i doubt anyone is interested but i thought i'd make a quick post to update on these cakes.

The four of them have each had 3 succesful flushes of varying yield, the avg of which i guess would be about 20g each. They are back in my FC and 1 has started pinning again. I dunked each of them for 12hrs between flushes.

Also, i have another 7 cakes in my FC at the moment on their 2nd flush and only 1 has ever shown a slight pink spot of lipstick, which i removed and it didnt grow back.

the top two on the left and the two on the right are the four cakes in question.






take it easy people


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit - PICS!! [Re: soma_seeker]
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Told ya.  :gethigh:

This is a Neurospora strain more than likely. Lipstick can easily be indentified because of the various shades of colors associated with it. Neurospora will maintain a consistant shade throughout it's life for the most part. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/files/06-24/069284222-contam.jpg

Well, i'm glad you managed to get something out of it. Now thoroughly clean your house. lol

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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit - PICS!! [Re: soma_seeker]
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i doubt anyone is interested but i thought i'd make a quick post to update on these cakes.
take it easy people



Actually, I am really glad you kept us posted...I have been following this for a while. I've seen a number of posts that started like yours, but never got any more updates. I will more people would keep us updated. When the posting stops, it seems that some guy is outside in his backyard, quietly burying cakes.

Congrats on your successful triumph! Let us know what the effects of the mushies were---ie tummy problems, good/bad trip, etc I would be interested to see if everything 'worked out' But in any case, congratulations...

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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit - PICS!! [Re: speeddealer]
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thanks speeddealer, good to know someone is interested.

As for the trip, i have sampled the fruits off these cakes several times now as well as offering them to at least a half dozen of my friends.

The average dose we each had was either a dry gramme or about 8g wet. I realise this isn't really that much but it was enough to give the experienced trippers amongst us a level 2 trip each time and unfortunately reduced 1 of my friends to a quivering heap - hiding in the corner because he thought he could predict the future and was terrified by the fact he knew what the rest of us were going to say and do before we did it (plan on being a lot more careful when offering them to my friends from now on).

But yeh the shrooms weren't big by anyone's standards so i think their potency was quite good. As for stomach problems, 1 of my friends had slight nausea but he gets it every time with shrooms so i didnt take that as any kind of negative sign. I used to get nausea quite frequently as well, but havent noticed it once lately (touch-wood).

In answer, i consider it a complete success. My psychic friend also dropped by the next day to let us know he was ok and congrat'd me on producing a potent crop.

Have a good one


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit - PICS!! [Re: soma_seeker] * 1
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Glad it worked out for you.  :thumbup: The reason I still recommend against trying to save such projects is for the contaminant spore load that is released into your house.  The spores for that mold were already in your environment, but keeping the project going likely released many more, which could impact future grows.  There's no danger from eating the fruits.
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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit - PICS!! [Re: RogerRabbit]
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cool. glad they fruited...

i have wasted many countless man hours trying to fix some of my lipstick problems. All ended in failure.


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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: Oatman2000]
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From this I have learn many things. Thanks for sharing it.

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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: Oatman2000]
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thank you soma!!! my friend has a lil red dot of lipstick mold on one jar and this was anvaluable read!!!

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