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 soma_seeker
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 Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit 
#5845814 - 07/11/06 04:19 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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has anyone out there had any personal experience with attempting to fruit a cake/s that was contaminated during colonisation with lipstick mold???
i ask because i birthed 4 cakes 2 days ago that were badly contaminated with, but recovered quite remarkably (visibly anyway) from lipstick mold and am keen to here from anybody that has had succes or failure in a similar situation.
i'm familiar with the usual rules of thumb with contamination and have searched this forum for a while on this topic. i've found plenty of posts asking if fruiting is possible after recovery but no useful ones detailing specific attempts.
if anyone can spare me some info on there experience it would be much appreciated, cheers.
here's a pic of them today, 2 completely recovered however 2 required small areas to be removed, which i did with a sterile knife. i cut deep in to try and remove it all
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 Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
#5845832 - 07/11/06 04:32 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Many here will say this is a futile effort. But good luck, who knows... 
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 Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: CureCat]
#5845972 - 07/11/06 07:08 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Remember: Color = spores = too late they are all over...
U can still get them to fruit but i wouldn't eat those mushrooms at all.
I'd say: start over... if the contaminated cake is in the fruiting chamber along with the non cont. cakes you are highly risking them, if they are 100% colonizated they could survive tho.
peace and gut luck
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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: AngeloWish]
#5846336 - 07/11/06 10:21 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks, i do appreciate the input and i've read many posts saying similar and others saying the opposite, such as that it is difficult to contam a fully colonised cake.
i know the risks i've taken birthing these cakes and was just asking if anyone else had taken the same course of action and could comment on the results
cheers
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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
#5846564 - 07/11/06 11:30 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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I personally would never birth a mold infected cake.
mold spores are microscopic and very light.
they spread far and fast.
interesting how your cakes "recovered"
I would reckon that this does not happen often at all.
sure they are recovered?
I would guess that you have too much invested
in four dirt cheap cakes that are seemingly doomed for failure.
why not have a bunch of other cakes to fall back on
in case you got a contam in a few?
without any backup some will tend to feel everything is invested
in now contaminated substrate and ruin the grow trying to
make it happen, knowing it will surely fail anyway.
your fc is infected.
your room is likely infected.
the air already was and is now more full of mold spores.
I know it sucks, I know.
But there are certain "rules" in this hobby.
and one is to discard any projects with mold (unless its cobweb in a tray or tub)
there is a good reason for that, and in your future attempts in that
area and in that fc, you will probably find out why it was a bad idea.
but who knows? you could be the one.
but for four cakes?
not a good move.
but you already did it.
so I do wish you good luck and I am interested to see how it
looks in the near future.
after this attempt is over, do your very best to clean.
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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: monstermitch]
#5848338 - 07/11/06 07:30 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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cheers mitch, i've read enough similar posts to know that that is very good advice and for a while i was adhering to it.
but after 6 attempts at preparing and innoculating sets of BRF jars that none of which succesfully colonised without contam (numerous problems including contaminated LC, store clerk sold me white rice flour so nothing grew, wet-spot bacteria etc. etc.) my patience ran thin and i wanted to give these 4 a try.
i say that they 'recovered' for lack of a better word. it was only due to how well the myc consumed the lipstick mold that i felt compelled to give them a go. pure white rhizo myc just grew straight through it and turned it from very bright pink to pure white.
after 3 days in the FC the cakes have shown visible growth, appearing more covered in thick fluffy myc but no signs of knotting yet. is this necessarily a sign of good health though?
i really would like to see them fruit
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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
#5848503 - 07/11/06 08:18 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would be interested to see them fruit too.
good luck to you.
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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: decepticon]
#5848560 - 07/11/06 08:37 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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cheers, i'll keep you posted.
i guess i'll just end up answering my own question in this thread 
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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
#5863305 - 07/15/06 10:23 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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for anyone interested, it is a week since i birthed the cakes and no pins as yet. a friend of mine grew the same strain (where i got the print from) and it took him 15 days to pin using the same tek, so i havent given up yet.
i 'think' 3 of the cakes have started to grow primordia over the past day. i didn't notice heaps of tiny pinbumps like i have previously, but there are deffinetly small bumps of pure-white, fuzzy myc that weren't there before.
i dont have my camera, so took a shot with my phone. quite bad quality.
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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
#5863869 - 07/16/06 01:01 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doesn't look like it's gonna grow teeth and eat anyone yet!
Keep us posted.
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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: CureCat]
#5865174 - 07/16/06 11:42 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: monstermitch]
#5867947 - 07/17/06 12:07 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Happy b'day mitch
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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
#5868121 - 07/17/06 01:45 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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They would actually fruit fine if you had some casing material on those cakes. Without it, you're not going to achieve much. I've had cakes contaminated with neurospora and stachybotrys both that fruited fine believe it or not, for several months as well. But you'll need to double end case those cakes and get that tub out of your house. I wouldn't do this type of thing in my indoor grow area. If you can, put the bin outside in a shed or in a shaded area outdoors in the yard. I wouldn't even think about doing this with molded cakes in my area where future projects will be worked on. You could even bury the cakes in a small, shaded plot in the yard that holds moisture well for a return. You know, a place in the yard that stays moist or can be watered bi-daily to stay moist? 1" of soil covering the buried cakes is perfect. Good luck none the less.
Edited by hotnutz (07/17/06 02:09 AM)
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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
#5868729 - 07/17/06 09:47 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
soma_seeker said:
Happy b'day mitch
hell yeah,
thanks man.
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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: monstermitch]
#5870222 - 07/17/06 06:11 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks for the advice hotnutz.
do u think that casing them at this stage of the game may have an adverse effect if they are in fact going to pin within the next few days? hypothetical situation i guess, i'm beginning to feel less optimistic and more foolish 
ah well, live and learn.
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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
#5870995 - 07/17/06 08:38 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sure, go ahead and case them. D/E casing them with moistened vermiculite will certainly improve your yield. Just handle the cakes as lightly as possible while transfering them to the upside down lids that are filled with wet vermiculite. Dead center of the lids. Then you can mist the tops of the cakes with water and then you can simply sprinkle dry vermiculite on the tops. Mist then sprinkle until you've got an even 1/8" of wet vermiculite on the tops as well. Keep the humidity near 100%, while providing sufficiant air exchanges as well. The cakes will fruit in the areas where the casing is and where there's no mold. You'll be surprised what you'll get out of the cakes, even if the cakes are slightly contaminated. But i'd certainly put the bin outdoors or would bury them in a small plot for fruiting. You don't want contaminate spores flying from the bin into your growing area, where future projects will be done.
Personally, i'd bury them.
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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: Hotnuts]
#5871113 - 07/17/06 09:11 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks hotnutz, i'll follow your advice tonight.
any particular reason why you advise double-end casing, but not rolling in verm?
do you think rolling as well would be detrimental or would it just provide no further benefit....
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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
#5872011 - 07/18/06 01:18 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've never tried rolling one. I have always done d/e casings with cakes.
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soma_seeker
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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: Hotnuts]
#5872268 - 07/18/06 03:21 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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cheers mate.
i just DE cased 2 of the 4 cakes. not that i doubt ur advice or anything, i was just keen to see the difference, but i guess chances are all 4 won't do much anyway.
i was suprised when i picked the cakes up how dry they felt. i mean i don't know how they are meant to feel but i assumed they would feel kind of moist and soft. these felt quite dry and stiff....
do u think this is a fault of mine? i'm using perlite humidification with a bubbler that runs the entire diagonal length that runs 24/7.
perhaps this much air-flow is draining my humidity, i use a hygrometer that reads above 90% constantly but its shit quality. sorry, i'm kind of just thinking out loud..... 
took a couple of pics, again i apologise for the terrible quality
thanks people
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Re: Lipstick mold recovery and attempt to fruit [Re: soma_seeker]
#5872721 - 07/18/06 08:28 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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They'll start to hydrate themselves from the casings if the casings are saturated with water. Just keep the humidity as high as you can (nearly 100%) and they'll fruit fine in a couple of weeks.
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