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mrmonkey
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Tiny tiny shrooms and suggestions to repair...
#5842786 - 07/10/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey all,
My first flush was ok, yielding only 6 shrooms but 121 grams wet.
My second flush came with like 100 pins and everything looked great but today when I checked on my babies I was shocked too see alot of them opened at barely bigger then a pin...doing research I came too a few possible conclusions.
1. Not enough fresh air exchange 2. Casing layer is way too thin
I think the moisture level is fine and the temp is 74-79 and humidity is 85-89 but once in awhile sneaks up too 95. I dont think this is the problem though being it only happened at one side of my aquarium furthest from the hoses bringing the fresh air.
Is this a reasonable solution for the third flush.
I am planning too add about 1/2 inch of casing too my 2 inches of substrate and re-leveling everything off and re-misting and hoping for a stronger pin set on the third flush. Also I bought one of those small personal fans too fan the tank a few times a day in case the co2 is too high at lower levels of the tank.
Any other ideas on improving the third flush?? Should I try what I am planning or just leave it alone and hope for the best??
Any help would be great, thanks in advance.
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coda
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Re: Tiny tiny shrooms and suggestions to repair... [Re: mrmonkey]
#5842813 - 07/10/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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hmmm at this point adding another layer of casing would hinder you more then help. Since the casing has finished its vegetative state it won't colonize the casing layer. You could try throwing it back into incubation but again you're just stressing and confusing the shit out of your substrate. As flushes go on you lose more moisture and more substrate is eaten by the mycellium. This means you see smaller and smaller pinsets until there are no more mushrooms left. Knowing this it's quite possible your substrate is running low on moisture or the nutrient base it needs to fruit and is thusly producing small mushrooms.
Did you dunk in between flushes?
Personally i say leave it alone (minus a dunk) and start a new project, that way if your third flush produces just as poorly you'll have some new substrate on the way.
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Re: Tiny tiny shrooms and suggestions to repair... [Re: coda]
#5842820 - 07/10/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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PS
2 inches of substrate is pretty tiny, next time id try to go for at least 4 inches.
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Re: Tiny tiny shrooms and suggestions to repair... [Re: coda]
#5842887 - 07/10/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Agreed. I suspect a dunk will fix your problem. The biggest reason for small mushrooms is running out of water. If they're flushing now, just use a syringe to inject a few cc's into several places in the substrate. Tap water usually works fine, and there's no need to sterilize the syringe first as long as it's been washed clean. Don't drown the substrate, just a bit here and there and it should work wonders.
With time, you will develop a feel for how heavy a tray should be, so you can lift your trays and tell if they need water or not. When they start to dry out, they get very light. RR
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Re: Tiny tiny shrooms and suggestions to repair... [Re: coda]
#5842953 - 07/10/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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coda said: 2 inches of substrate is pretty tiny, next time id try to go for at least 4 inches.
4" of substrate!? i have a baking pan thats 13"x9"x2" thats only 2" deep! should i get a 4" pan, fill with as much birdseed as i have the top it all off with poo?
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Re: Tiny tiny shrooms and suggestions to repair... [Re: esdfsfd]
#5843068 - 07/10/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would mix the colonized birdseed + poo prior to putting in a breadpan. I would use the deepest breadpan you can find, the 4 inch deep ones work good, and fill it up with a poo/spawn mix all the way to the top... leave just about 1/2 inch or so from overflowing to put on the casing layer (should fill the breadpan to the rim). Good luck! 
-SDP 
PS. Using the 12-16 quart storage containers, lined with foil to prevent side pinning, work great! You can put a 5+ inch substarate layer! Check out HippieChick's fantastic setup:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5545848/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1
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Edited by SDP (07/10/06 04:04 PM)
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Re: Tiny tiny shrooms and suggestions to repair... [Re: SDP]
#5843182 - 07/10/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those 13 X 9 baking pans work great. One thing you can do if you want a thicker substrate is colonize two of them, then at full colonization, turn one upside down and dump out the block on top of the other one and cover with foil for a couple of days to allow the two to knit together. Then, case and fruit. I've done that a few times and grown some monsters. However, I still think your problem is drying out. Do a dunk and watch them take off. In addition to a syringe, you can simply pour water down the sides where the substrate has pulled away from the edges. Pour a cup or so of water there, then an hour later drain off any excess that will pour out. That should give an overnight boost to your mushrooms. Of course, if the veils have torn and the caps have flattened out, harvest now because they won't get any bigger. RR
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mrmonkey
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Re: Tiny tiny shrooms and suggestions to repair... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5843190 - 07/10/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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So roger should I just go ahead and pick the rest of them and do a dunk or leave the ones that are left and add water as u suggest??
Thanka for the help everyone
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