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Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me.
    #5842663 - 07/10/06 02:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Recently my friends and I bought four deals of 30x salvia (I don't know how much comes in each container). I had never tried it before, being somewhat of a snob to it because it was legal.

My first time, big rip from PHX and held it in for as long as I could. Now. . . I have had good trips, and I have had bad trips, but this was terrifying.

I was doing it at my friends house, he has a lot of mirrors in this back room and xmas lights while we were listening to Pink Floyd - Echoes. I shit you not - I felt as though I had wandered into an evil fun-house, complete with mirrors scary people. I looked at all of my friends and they were laughing, and for some reason I thought they were all plotting to chop me up and eat me. It also sounded like circus music but it was all demented and out of tune. It ended quickly, but it still sucked.



Salvia ruined the song Echoes for me. Now whenever I get high or trip to that song I just get a re-surgance of those memories. It also makes me really nervous to try LSD, because I heard salvia is like taking LSD for thirty seconds. And if LSD is anything like it I don't want to do it at all. Salvia should be illegal and shrooms should be sold in stores, just my opinion.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5842683 - 07/10/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Salvia demands respect. You learned this the hard way.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5842684 - 07/10/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I feel lucky for people who can't break through on it. They don't know the horror  :wink:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5842702 - 07/10/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

LSD is nothing like Salvia. Salvia is...weird. Kind of like some psychadellic god just...BACKHANDING you across the back of your head and the trip is the little birds that fly around for 30 seconds or so.

LSD is probably the most amazing experience I've had form anything I've ingested.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5842728 - 07/10/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Do NOT call it a bad drug just because you didn't enjoy it or understand it. You obviously weren't ready for it. Admit your weakness, but don't blame it on the drug.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's all you "MoeRon"s, if you will, that stumble into it looking to get fucked up and have no respect for it that have lead to the outlawing of this wonderful entheogen in my state as well as others.

Further, LSD is nothing like Salvia in my opinion. It is a clean and beautiful experience.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5842754 - 07/10/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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TheMadConductor said:
Yeah, I feel lucky for people who can't break through on it. They don't know the horror  :wink:




word :thumbup:

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Do NOT call it a bad drug just because you didn't enjoy it or understand it. You obviously weren't ready for it. Admit your weakness, but don't blame it on the drug.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's all you "MoeRon"s, if you will, that stumble into it looking to get fucked up and have no respect for it that have lead to the outlawing of this wonderful entheogen in my state as well as others.




No! I admit nothing. Salvia is friggin scary, and I had plenty of respect for it. I'm sure you can have a good experience after repeated use, but I don't care that is an evil plant grown from the devil's loins.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5842764 - 07/10/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

first mistake - doing 30x your first time to pink floyd thinking it would be a "fun" drug

second mistake - doing 30x with people who would laugh at you when you smoke it

third mistake - not doing enough research to realize that LSD is obviously nothing like salvia (unless we are talking 15-20++ hits, and even then, the only thing to be considered even remotely "similar" would be destruction of ego), which you would see quite quickly if you read a little bit about the experiances


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5842792 - 07/10/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, I feel lucky for people who can't break through on it. They don't know the horror  :wink:




word :thumbup:

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Do NOT call it a bad drug just because you didn't enjoy it or understand it. You obviously weren't ready for it. Admit your weakness, but don't blame it on the drug.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's all you "MoeRon"s, if you will, that stumble into it looking to get fucked up and have no respect for it that have lead to the outlawing of this wonderful entheogen in my state as well as others.




No! I admit nothing. Salvia is friggin scary, and I had plenty of respect for it. I'm sure you can have a good experience after repeated use, but I don't care that is an evil plant grown from the devil's loins.




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I had never tried it before, being somewhat of a snob to it because it was legal.





Bullshit.  :grin:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: dubbyah]
    #5842797 - 07/10/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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first mistake - doing 30x your first time to pink floyd thinking it would be a "fun" drug

second mistake - doing 30x with people who would laugh at you when you smoke it

third mistake - not doing enough research to realize that LSD is obviously nothing like salvia (unless we are talking 15-20++ hits, and even then, the only thing to be considered even remotely "similar" would be destruction of ego), which you would see quite quickly if you read a little bit about the experiances




I only use LSD as a way for people to relate that have done LSD. A Salvia trip is sort of like being thrown into the peak of a powerful acid trip.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: dubbyah]
    #5842811 - 07/10/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5842821 - 07/10/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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first mistake - doing 30x your first time to pink floyd thinking it would be a "fun" drug

second mistake - doing 30x with people who would laugh at you when you smoke it

third mistake - not doing enough research to realize that LSD is obviously nothing like salvia (unless we are talking 15-20++ hits, and even then, the only thing to be considered even remotely "similar" would be destruction of ego), which you would see quite quickly if you read a little bit about the experiances




1. I'm not a "psychedelic rookie" and I know they aren't like "fun" drugs. I really did not have any expectations because I find that to be the most enjoyable way to trip.

2. I only thought they were laughing at me, whether they were or not is subject to question, but they were my best friends and I would not feel more comfortable with anyone else in the world. And besides what are they supposed to do if I'm stumbling around mumbling about evil clowns.

3. I only heard that Salvia was similar to LSD after having done it. It's only what someone else said not me.





sorry, none of those directly respond to my statements. you should not have done salvia to music your first time, you should know that salvia is not similar to LSD, regardless of what someone tells you, and doing salvia with more then one person who isnt completely silent and knows how to tripsit is probably foolish.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: dubbyah]
    #5842859 - 07/10/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You have the nerve to say that Salvia, a power plant that has been used properly for thousands of years without any reported negative side effects should be illegal, why? because you didn't like it as a recreational drug. Talk about a self-centered point of view  :foreheadslap: You know some people use these things for more then just getting high? Strange, I know, but also true.


The fact is, Salvia doesn't fuck around. You didn't come correct, you didn't come proper - you got fucked up. Thats the way it goes... Lesson learned?


You know, the Spaniards used to call peyote EVIL and THE DEVIL. They didn't understand it, they were afraid. Sound familiar?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5842883 - 07/10/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm just sorry all of your brains have been washed by the depraved and evil drug. Mushrooms embody all that is right and just in the world and salvia encompasses all that is wrong and malicious.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5842898 - 07/10/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm just sorry all of your brains have been washed by the depraved and evil drug. Mushrooms embody all that is right and just in the world and salvia encompasses all that is wrong and malicious.




Salvia is just another position of the assemblage point. Nothing evil about it. The evil you have seen was already inside your head. Salvia just did you the favor of bringing it into your conscious mind  :grin:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5842946 - 07/10/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I never had much of a desire to do Salvia again after a few experiences. Just not my "thing" - people have to understand that the nature of chemicals' effects on your body rely entirely on the chemistry within you body - which varies in everyone ever so slightly. The effect might suck for me and be great for my friend... don't assume that you experience the same effect always.

As for LSD ... it is NOTHING like Salvia, IMO, and any hype you hear in the media about such is just a scare tactic, as they're trying to make it illegal. Personally, I don't see Salvia taking over the streets or posing a threat to ANYTHING any time soon. If we could just start educating people with the truth on these substances then people might think before jumping in head first.

Instead the government keeps people in the dark and provides contradictory and often misleading information, which just makes the problem worse.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5842988 - 07/10/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm just sorry all of your brains have been washed by the depraved and evil drug. Mushrooms embody all that is right and just in the world and salvia encompasses all that is wrong and malicious.




Wow! Just...wow.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: demiu5]
    #5843038 - 07/10/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm just sorry all of your brains have been washed by the depraved and evil drug. Mushrooms embody all that is right and just in the world and salvia encompasses all that is wrong and malicious.




Wow! Just...wow.




Oh good lord. For all of the humorless people out there that was sarcasm.

Duh, salvia should not be illegal. I do personally think that salvia is not that cool, and if you are trying to defend it, its just because you're taking a stance.

Salvia I know is not just for getting "fucked up", but in my opinion that is all it is good for (and not in a good way).


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5843103 - 07/10/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

For me (and I am also experienced) it was the most profound experience. EVERYTHING that happens on hallucinogens don't happen "just because". If many people had such beautiful experiences and you had terrible. YOU are the source of this experience NOT this wonderful plant! Ask yourself WHY it happened to you but not me or anyone else?

Trying to prove how hardcore tripper you are won't give you any respect...


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5843119 - 07/10/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Just because you had one bad experience doesn't mean that every single trip from it is just for getting fucked up in a bad way. That's like getting in a car accident on your first drive and saying that cars are only good for wrecking.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Kras]
    #5843160 - 07/10/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Trying to prove how hardcore tripper you are won't give you any respect...




Uh, I'm not a hardcore tripper, and i think that people that trip all the time need to get their shit together. Unless their shit is already together then whatever. But I would like to know about some "beautiful experiences" that you speak of, because I hear 95% of the time from people that salvia sucks.

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Just because you had one bad experience doesn't mean that every single trip from it is just for getting fucked up in a bad way. That's like getting in a car accident on your first drive and saying that cars are only good for wrecking.





Cars are only good for wrecking, thats why I dont drive.
And salvia is only good for curling up into a ball for 45 seconds.

AND ALSO

I never said that I did not smoke it more than once, I smoked it several times after my bad experience to try and even it out. However it did not work and I just think that it sucks. Not because I'm so pigheaded that I can't see the beauty of it, just that I have a personal preference not to feel like impending doom.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5843167 - 07/10/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Salvia is a beautiful herb  :heart:

Viewpoints like the one you're expressing are the reasons drugs like LSD and psilocybin were demonized in the '60s and remain so today.  No matter how powerful your own experience with a psychedelic, it does not represent even 1% of the complete spectrum of that substance's possible effects.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5843170 - 07/10/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i fuckin love that song. prabably my fav. by pink floyd...sucks for you!


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: kora]
    #5843174 - 07/10/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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i fuckin love that song. prabably my fav. by pink floyd...sucks for you!




I KNOW!!

It was one of my f'ing favorites


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5843193 - 07/10/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Don't get all hung up on it. I had some trips where Echoes almost scared the shit out of me. I thought it was gonna haunt me. You know what...it didn't. There is nothing to fear except fear itself, dude.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5843196 - 07/10/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Cars are only good for wrecking, thats why I dont drive.





:lol: fair enough :smile:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: kake]
    #5843197 - 07/10/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It should be noted that Pink Floyd is exceptionally awesome on psychedelics for a reason. That reason? Only experience has the answer.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: kake]
    #5843246 - 07/10/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Don't get all hung up on it. I had some trips where Echoes almost scared the shit out of me. I thought it was gonna haunt me. You know what...it didn't. There is nothing to fear except fear itself, dude.




Hell I guess youre right, I may not like salvia, but i'll be a monkey's uncle if Pink Floyd gets grouped into this dislike too.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5843247 - 07/10/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

After trying salvia 20x at least 4 times I determined it simply wasn't for me. At first it made me feel like I was wrapped in crinkly tin foil and was pulled to the left downside. As it wears off, it feels like I have a thick layer of vaseline on my face that I try desperately to wipe off.

Not saying it sucks for everyone, not saying it should be illegal, but no more for me.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Left Nut City]
    #5843457 - 07/10/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Sally is a close friend of swims,and has had nothing but good journeys together. Yes she gave swim a scare here and there but for good reasons. Respect the plant and she will respect you,maybe even embrace you after a while like she has done to swim a few times.
Bottom line RESPECT,there's more to it then a chemical.Were already dreaming.She will show you how small and insignificant this life is.Its nothing in comparison to the whole.
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5845408 - 07/11/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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MoeRon said:But I would like to know about some "beautiful experiences" that you speak of, because I hear 95% of the time from people that salvia sucks.




Here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5597269#Post5597269

I think that salvia could be similar to death in intensity. Not everyone is prepared for that kind of experience. That doesn't mean that it "fuck up" your mind. I found salvia far less "narcotic" then mushrooms for example.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Kras]
    #5845433 - 07/11/06 12:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well your the dumbass that didn't take the fucking time to research. NOT A PARTY DRUG, thats not too part to understand. Best done alone, dark room, LOW SOOTHING MUSIC and the right dosage. You broke all of those rules and mrs. salvia decided that she should break you.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: jcasias]
    #5845636 - 07/11/06 02:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yea, a points a point, you broke the rules and you ran around the pool, and now just cause you slipped and fell doesnt mean you can blame the floor for being wet. You need to learn about somethings a little more before you take them. And on top of that don't be such a puss about it, it was just a bad trip, but its over and done with, dont let it ruin your one of your favorite songs, and deffinately dont start to hate on certain drugs or the people that use them just because you dont do them or understand why, because as a person who does drugs himself, im sure you hate when bitches rag on you.. So please, spare us, and good luck in the future.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Tomcat23]
    #5845809 - 07/11/06 04:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

salvia and LSD are chalk and cheese.
LSD is a very kind and jovial soul - its never harsh and if it is you can easily talk it around to a pleasant place. But above all LSD offers so much for the creative minded, for the spiritual. I think LSD is like the ultimate psychedelic - it takes you places that other indoles likes Psilocybin only suggest are possible. And all while feeling warm, fuzzy and great.
Salvia is just weird. For me I thought that it didnt offer me much other than confusion and feeling sort of asleep but not - Its strange because something happens and something sorta doesnt - or it happens in ways that are quite different.
But I wouldnt think that salvia if u had a bad experience with it would be ANYTHING like LSD


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5845817 - 07/11/06 04:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I dont think psychedelics work in a spectrum where some are always 'warm and fuzzy' and others are always 'harsh and nasty' - anything can be either in a particular set of circumstances and variables.
I guess with salvia its obviously a tool that cultures have used in the past, but for many its just not a particularly pleasant one. And i guess if its not pleasant for you and doesnt really provide you with anything you are after then who cares - just move on...


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5845831 - 07/11/06 04:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

30x :eek:, no shit you didn't like it, on your first time drinking did you take 30 shots of whiskey all at once? Of course not, that would have sent you into convulsions....right?

No offense, but don't be such a dumbass in the future, and saying that salvia should be illegal is very, very contrary to the spirit of free mental exploration that fuels most everyone on this board.

Its attitudes like yours that made Marijuana, and our other favorite entheogens illegal, if it freaked you out and you didn't like it, O.K., making it illegal for responsible adults, and spiritual seekers is the real crime. And besides the "trip" never brings anything that you didn't already have inside you, so its not "evil".....most likely YOU ARE!!! And that was your problem.

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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: phungi]
    #5845839 - 07/11/06 04:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

WHy does everyone always say that the trip brings out things that are already inside you - im sorry but that is one of the most often repeated lines and it means nothing.
But more to the point how do you or anyone know that psychedelics are mearly bringing out whats already in the subconscious mind? Are they claiming to understand how the subconscious mind works or what it contains?
I dont presume to understand how psychedelics work or what it is that one sees when tripping - particularly on substances like DMT or Salvia.
Im pretty sure our seasoned fore-runners like Terence McKenna didnt think it was all an elaborate creation of the mind constructed with the psychedelic as that catalist.
Im not trying to start shit here, but Im just curious why people always say that. What is their evidence?


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    #5845841 - 07/11/06 04:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

BTW - salvia is scheduled in Australia.


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    #5845923 - 07/11/06 06:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yep... I agree with everyone else. If you did your research first and studied up on trip reports... you might have understood that 30x is far too high for a first timer. Might even be too high for most experienced with it. I know I will never go beyond 20x my self and I have met lady Salvia several times.

Nothing good usally comes from excess. Especially if you aren't experienced enough to handle a heroic dosing.

You think you would love mushrooms if your first time you ate 30 grams?


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    #5846245 - 07/11/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Well your the dumbass that didn't take the fucking time to research. NOT A PARTY DRUG, thats not too part to understand. Best done alone, dark room, LOW SOOTHING MUSIC and the right dosage. You broke all of those rules and mrs. salvia decided that she should break you.




Okay, I did explain this earlier so all of you salvia loyalists wouldn't jump on me for it.

How on earth did I not prepare/respect this drug?

1. NOT at a party.
2. With several of my best friends.
3. In a safe and comfortable place
4. Listening to my favorite tripping song in the world.
5. Took 1 hit

Oh, but it must just be because salvia is such a great drug and I didn't respect it enough. BS! I think people that like salvia are just a different breed. Kind of like masochists or something.


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    #5846248 - 07/11/06 09:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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No offense, but don't be such a dumbass in the future...




None taken if you would just read the whole post. . . dumbass.


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    #5846256 - 07/11/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Not a masochist.. I enjoy the experience because I want to understand it. Salvia is by no means fun for me either. Nor many other people. But its not done for fun now is it. Its for exploring your own mind. Or at least the boundaries of what our brains can comprehend.


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    #5846260 - 07/11/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Cool, maybe I should jump out a plane without a parachute to see how frightened I can make my brain. Maybe I can comprehend fear in my brain right about the time I hit the pavement. Seems about as productive as salvia.

Some areas of your mind aren't really necessary to explore. I think salvia takes you to one of those areas.


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    #5846311 - 07/11/06 10:12 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I think people that like salvia are just a different breed. Kind of like masochists or something.




We are masochists for repeating ourselves over and over in threads like these :evil:

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Recently my friends and I bought four deals of 30x salvia (I don't know how much comes in each container). (...)
My first time, big rip from PHX and held it in for as long as I could. Now. . . I have had good trips, and I have had bad trips, but this was terrifying. I was doing it at my friends house, he has a lot of mirrors in this back room and xmas lights while we were listening to Pink Floyd - Echoes. I shit you not - I felt as though I had wandered into an evil fun-house, complete with mirrors scary people. I looked at all of my friends and they were laughing, and for some reason I thought they were all plotting to chop me up and eat me. It also sounded like circus music but it was all demented and out of tune. It ended quickly, but it still sucked. Salvia ruined the song Echoes for me. Now whenever I get high or trip to that song I just get a re-surgance of those memories. It also makes me really nervous to try LSD, because I heard salvia is like taking LSD for thirty seconds. And if LSD is anything like it I don't want to do it at all.




You took too much.

To give you an idea: one gram of Salvia 30x is less than one thimble-full. A *good dose* thereof is 6.7 miligrams. You heard me right, that is only 1/150 part of less than a thimblefull. Me personally, with my full 300lbs and veteran experience, would probably have taken 250-500 times less than what you can fit into a thimble.

If you say it's evil to sell extracts that strong without ample warning then I fully agree with you. It is ridiculous to sell salvia extracts that are stronger, weight for weight, than street drugs.
But they do, and you took way too much. How many of your doses could you fit into a thimble?

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How on earth did I not prepare/respect this drug?
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1. NOT at a party.
2. With several of my best friends.
3. In a safe and comfortable place
4. Listening to my favorite tripping song in the world.
5. Took 1 hit




6. Did not thoroughly study the material
7. Did not weigh the sample nor the dose
8. Took a whopping overdose
9. Blames the drug rather than himself for his misfortune
10. Calls for illegalisation, thus for criminalisation of some posters here.

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I have had good trips, and I have had bad trips, but this was terrifying.




Umm I don't think you had bad trips close to the extent that is possible, because even a small dose of mushrooms can take you as far up Shit Creek as Salvia got you. And you got flashbacks (song) to prove it, so even medically we can speak of an OD here. You took a great blow mentally, and are in the recovering stage. This takes time.

I wish your misadventure had been prevented, which it so easily could. Now you're sitting there facing the consequences.
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    #5846343 - 07/11/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Cool, maybe I should jump out a plane without a parachute to see how frightened I can make my brain. Maybe I can comprehend fear in my brain right about the time I hit the pavement. Seems about as productive as salvia.

Some areas of your mind aren't really necessary to explore. I think salvia takes you to one of those areas.




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    #5846382 - 07/11/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I never heard that Floyd song. But after listening to it. It sounds like it'd make me uncomfortable on anything.

Just very eerie and confusing.

I believe Pink Floyd just made stuff to trip the hell out of people sometimes.

But 30x LAWLS. That's like reading some1 saying "I took 10 grams dried my first time and was just not enjoying it"


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    #5846405 - 07/11/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

haha.. 30x for a first time user, and it was too powerful?

you think?  :lol:


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    #5846430 - 07/11/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Salvia sucks! Give me all the history and science you want on it, it's not that cool! I've done it several times since then and it is not a good drug.

From what I can tell half of people like it and half of people don't. So I guess you must experience something different than we do, because if you experienced what I do you would understand.

I just think it is funny that you cannot say one negative thing about salvia without people getting defensive - it's not that cool bottomline.


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    #5846464 - 07/11/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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6. Did not thoroughly study the material
7. Did not weigh the sample nor the dose
8. Took a whopping overdose
9. Blames the drug rather than himself for his misfortune
10. Calls for illegalisation, thus for criminalisation of some posters here.




I studied the material fine, the store had 10x, 30x, and 60x. I bought the 30x cause it was almost the same price and it was in the middle in terms of available potency.

And did not weigh/sample the dose??? sorry I dont have a microscope or a scale that measures in the 1/100ths of a gram. Maybe I should just do what everyone says to do instead which is load a tiny bowl and smoke it!

I blame the drug because it does not interact with me well, as it also reacts negatively with lots of other people.

Lastly, I repealed the statement that it should be illegal, so finish reading all the posts before you reply.

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I have had good trips, and I have had bad trips, but this was terrifying.




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Umm I don't think you had bad trips close to the extent that is possible, because even a small dose of mushrooms can take you as far up Shit Creek as Salvia got you. And you got flashbacks (song) to prove it, so even medically we can speak of an OD here. You took a great blow mentally, and are in the recovering stage. This takes time.





YOU obviously haven't had a bad trip on salvia. I have tripped bad on shrooms for sure and it was nothing even slightly comparable to this experience. Bad Shroom trip was more of an introspective depressive suicidal type experiences. I literally thought I was going to die when I was smoking salvia, that shit is not even comparable, and for someone who was just preaching the diversity of the drug from others, you sure are quick to compare them again.


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    #5846545 - 07/11/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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And did not weigh/sample the dose??? sorry I dont have a microscope or a scale that measures in the 1/100ths of a gram. Maybe I should just do what everyone says to do instead which is load a tiny bowl and smoke it!




Wow. How could I be so dumb to suggest that you should weigh a drug which is active in a several-microgram dosage. Silly me.
The tiniest bowls I know of pack 40mg. You can use this for 10x but its waaay too much for 30x

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I studied the material fine, the store had 10x, 30x, and 60x. I bought the 30x cause it was almost the same price and it was in the middle in terms of available potency.




Contradictio in termis.
Being a n00b and informed you would have gone for 10x and not even packed a bowl with that. Instead you took 30x and did.

THIS is where you get your Salvia facts! If you didnt study that site, you didnt study Salvia, period.

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YOU obviously haven't had a bad trip on salvia. I have tripped bad on shrooms for sure and it was nothing even slightly comparable to this experience.




I've had both.

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I literally thought I was going to die when I was smoking salvia




Thats the No 1 fear in bad trips with ANY psychedelic. Fear of death is my standard bad-trip fear no matter what the drug. Having almost died in real life I can tell you that the fear of death that you can get from one gram of mushrooms is every bit as intense as the fear of death you can get on the Intensive Care Unit when you have to make peace with death, while your heart keeps failing. It is the exact same fear and it is just as intense.

These fears are THE REAL THING, independent of which psychedelic you use.

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for someone who was just preaching the diversity of the drug from others, you sure are quick to compare them again.




That is because they have overlap. A bad trip on a small amount of any psychedelic can be every bit as intense and severe as the one you had on salvia, in fact they are likely to be worse because Salvia lasts 4-6 minutes and Shrooms last 4-6 hours.

There is no inbuilt safety against these kinds of fears, you have to do battle with your Demons alone.

The recurrences/vivid memories of the unpleasantness when you hear the song are indeed flashbacks. Flashbacks can happen because of any psychedelic or other unusually intense emotional state.

Don't worry, I know my shit :thumbup:
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    #5846592 - 07/11/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Gah, I don't have the energy. I can't win with you people. that's right..."you people" :grin:.

I know that you know your shit Wiccan_Seeker, that is not in question, I'm just saying as a point of personal preferance that salvia is not enjoyable nor will it ever be no matter the dose, at least to me. Which is fine because other drugs such as SHROOMS are WAY better.


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    #5846616 - 07/11/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Salvia sucks! Give me all the history and science you want on it, it's not that cool!

it's not that cool bottomline.




Thats your problem. Salvia isn't "cool" You are looking for something "cool" of course you wont like Salvia. Salvia is not something "cool" Salvia is a whole world away from "cool." "Cool" is not something Salvia knows or cares about. Salvia cares about sacred knowledge, energy, and healing. Cool or uncool is not even part of the equation.


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    #5846629 - 07/11/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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MoeRon said:
Salvia sucks! Give me all the history and science you want on it, it's not that cool!

it's not that cool bottomline.




Thats your problem. Salvia isn't "cool" You are looking for something "cool" of course you wont like Salvia. Salvia is not something "cool" Salvia is a whole world away from "cool." "Cool" is not something Salvia knows or cares about. Salvia cares about sacred knowledge, energy, and healing. Cool or uncool is not even part of the equation.




JEEZUS.

I know that salvia is not a party drug

okay, lets translate "cool"

cool = a rewarding psychedelic experience, that while it has both ups and downs is a enlightening experience because of the active effect it had on my consiousness

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    #5846650 - 07/11/06 11:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
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MoeRon said:
Salvia sucks! Give me all the history and science you want on it, it's not that cool!

it's not that cool bottomline.




Thats your problem. Salvia isn't "cool" You are looking for something "cool" of course you wont like Salvia. Salvia is not something "cool" Salvia is a whole world away from "cool." "Cool" is not something Salvia knows or cares about. Salvia cares about sacred knowledge, energy, and healing. Cool or uncool is not even part of the equation.




JEEZUS.

I know that salvia is not a party drug

okay, lets translate "cool"

cool = a rewarding psychedelic experience, that while it has both ups and downs is a enlightening experience because of the active effect it had on my consiousness

salvia = UN-cool




Cool - a human word for things they enjoy

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    #5846654 - 07/11/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Salvia - A non-human entity capable of teaching great wisdom and revealing ancient knowledge.




It's a f*ing plant.


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    #5846658 - 07/11/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)





JEEZUS.

I know that salvia is not a party drug

okay, lets translate "cool"

cool = a rewarding psychedelic experience, that while it has both ups and downs is a enlightening experience because of the active effect it had on my consiousness

salvia = UN-cool


I don't think anyone is taking issue with your preference for other psychedelics over salvia.  Personally, I don't think you're mentally ready for salvia to reveal its full potential to you, so it's good that you've chosen to stay away.

I personally am kind of offended by your grouping salvia users into a class of people who are somehow "less right" than other psychedelic users.  You contend that salvia takes you to parts of your consciousness that no one should enter.  I ask a simple question to you: Who are you to know what parts of her/his own consciousness a human being should enter?  What makes one altered state of consciousness "better" than another if the both reflect truths about the nature of consciousness?

All humans have deep, dark chasms in their uconscious minds, often places that they would rather pretend don't exist; most shy away from exploring them.  When you de-pathologize the psyche, and realize that the deepest essence of human consciousness is Good and Beautiful, not Depraved Axe-Murderer, Sadomasochist, etc., you can start to look at the darker places, the sexual-scatological, the gory, the fear of death and traumatic reliving of birth, and through them uncover the Light.  This, I think, is the essence of the Psychedelic Experience, and salvia has been very benificial to me on my spiritual path.

To each his own.  :heart:


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    #5846675 - 07/11/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't think anyone is taking issue with your preference for other psychedelics over salvia.  Personally, I don't think you're mentally ready for salvia to reveal its full potential to you, so it's good that you've chosen to stay away.

I personally am kind of offended be your grouping of salvia users into a class of people who are somehow "less right" than other psychedelic users.  You contend that salvia takes you to parts of your consciousness that no one should enter.  I ask the simple question to you, who are you to know what parts of hiw own consciousness a human being should enter?  What makes one altered state of consciousness "better" than the other if the both reflect truths about the nature of consciousness?

Every human has deep, dark chasms in his own consciousness; most shy away from exploring them.  When you de-pathologize the psyche, and realize that the deepest essence of the human consciousness is Good and Beautiful, not Depraved Axe-Murdered, Sadomasochist, etc., you can start to look at the darker places, and through them uncover the Light.  This, I think, is the essence of the Psychedelic Experience, and salvia has been very benificial to me on my spiritual path.

To each his own.  :heart:




Okay, you got me on oversimplifying consiousness!

However, I never said that you were somehow a "flawed" psychedelic user, just that your preferance or even possibly needs as a user are different from mine.

I do not think that salvia can be rewarding for me no matter the circumstance. You say that I'm not ready for it, I think that you may not be ready for the truth that salvia is nothing more than a plant that puts you in a stupor.

However, that is all based on personal experience so it is biased, but hey.... where would we be without experiences. . . no experiences, no preferences. . . no preferences no conflict.

so whatev. thats my opinion and im sticking to it.

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    #5846682 - 07/11/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Salvia - A non-human entity capable of teaching great wisdom and revealing ancient knowledge.




It's a f*ing  plant.




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    #5846697 - 07/11/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

you need to learn respect for all living things.

I'm restraining myself from going apeshit on you because it wouldn't be constructive.

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    #5846699 - 07/11/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
Salvia - A non-human entity capable of teaching great wisdom and revealing ancient knowledge.




It's a f*ing plant.




Well, so are those precious mushrooms you love to stick by. If you don't like salvia then don't smoke salvia. Some people don't like mushrooms, so they shouldn't eat mushrooms. LSD is too mind-fucking for some people, so they shouldn't drop acid. You get my drift? Personal opinion is not reason to, as the previous poster said (can't remember name =/ ) classify people that do enjoy salvia as *masochists* or whatever. But, everything that has been said already should have cleared things up, and it seems like this will go on until you lose interest in talking about how much you hate salvia because you smoked too much.


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    #5846701 - 07/11/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

is it?yeah i think so


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846705 - 07/11/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't think anyone is taking issue with your preference for other psychedelics over salvia.  Personally, I don't think you're mentally ready for salvia to reveal its full potential to you, so it's good that you've chosen to stay away.

I personally am kind of offended be your grouping of salvia users into a class of people who are somehow "less right" than other psychedelic users.  You contend that salvia takes you to parts of your consciousness that no one should enter.  I ask the simple question to you, who are you to know what parts of hiw own consciousness a human being should enter?  What makes one altered state of consciousness "better" than the other if the both reflect truths about the nature of consciousness?

Every human has deep, dark chasms in his own consciousness; most shy away from exploring them.  When you de-pathologize the psyche, and realize that the deepest essence of the human consciousness is Good and Beautiful, not Depraved Axe-Murdered, Sadomasochist, etc., you can start to look at the darker places, and through them uncover the Light.  This, I think, is the essence of the Psychedelic Experience, and salvia has been very benificial to me on my spiritual path.

To each his own.  :heart:




Okay, you got me on oversimplifying consiousness!

However, I never said that you were somehow a "flawed" psychedelic user, just that your preferance or even possibly needs as a user are different from mine.

I do not think that salvia can be rewarding for me no matter the circumstance. You say that I'm not ready for it, I think that you may not be ready for the truth that salvia is nothing more than a plant that puts you in a stupor.

However, that is all based on personal experience so it is biased, but hey.... where would we be without experiences. . . no experiences, no preferences. . . no preferences no conflict.

so whatev. thats my opinion and im sticking to it.

feel free to prove an opinion wrong.


Far be it from me to attempt to disprove an opinion.  If it was your opinion that 1+1=Gary Coleman, I would not attempt to dissuade you from opining thusly.

However, I think that I can speak as more of an authority on the nature of salvia, being as I am a daily user who has experienced a HUGE spectrum of its effects, from the confusing "stupor" you describe, to uncomfortable threshold effects, to horribly frightening fights against ego dissolution; from ghouls and demons trying to eat my soul, to witches trying to carry me and my ceiling fan out my window; and I have also seen the immensely beautiful mental landscapes it can open up, landscapes that I have been lead into by beautiful and exotic entities.  I think you are ignorant in suggesting from a few preliminary incursions into a psychedelic realm that you somehow know the true nature of this 'f*ing plant'.  But it's your right to be ignorant, dammit!  :laugh:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846706 - 07/11/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

entity: An entity is something that has a distinct, separate existence, though it need not be a material existence.

How is a plant not a non-human entity? Please, tell me this.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: mellowrubberduck]
    #5846721 - 07/11/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: demiu5]
    #5846727 - 07/11/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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entity: An entity is something that has a distinct, separate existence, though it need not be a material existence.

How is a plant not a non-human entity? Please, tell me this.




Youre just trying to twist my words.

I never said salvia wasn't a non-human entity. I know how to read a dictionary so I know that much is true.
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Salvia - A non-human entity capable of teaching great wisdom and revealing ancient knowledge.




I do say that salvia has nothing to teach us about ancient knowledge or any of that crap. just because some indian smoked this shit a thousand years ago, doesnt mean you are entitled to all the knowledge in between that event or even any of the insight. You create your own insights, this is called destiny, and if salvia determines your destiny then god help you.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846730 - 07/11/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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is it?yeah i think so




Yeah, You THINK so. I happen to KNOW its more then a plant.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846737 - 07/11/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

First of all Mushrooms ARE NOT plants, they are fungi. And for that matter neither is LSD. Second of all I have said over and over again that I have tried salvia several times since then at varying doses and potencies. Salvia is useless in my opinion, you think it sounds bitter, I think its just practical. It makes you feel uncomfortable, amongst other things, and it is simply not something I would reccomend to anyone else.




Well, in reality, it doesn't make *me* uncomfortable, and isn't simply something *you* would recommend. All a matter of opinion, again! If somebody asks you about a drug they're interested in trying, you shouldn't just say *Don't even think about smoking it man, it sucks*. That's an opinion. You should always say what you got out of it and tell them the technique, and they'll make they're own decisions. That is all.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846741 - 07/11/06 12:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

knowledge is shared, globally, consciously, transcendent of time.

What's your point again?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5846744 - 07/11/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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is it?yeah i think so




Yeah, You THINK so. I happen to KNOW its more then a plant.




Well would you mind sharing this carnal knowledge with the rest of us?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: demiu5]
    #5846755 - 07/11/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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knowledge is shared, globally, consciously, transcendent of time.

What's your point again?




Whats my point? . . . . Whats your point, were talking about salvia not transcending the time barrier


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: demiu5]
    #5846760 - 07/11/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I do say that salvia has nothing to teach us about ancient knowledge or any of that crap. just because some indian smoked this shit a thousand years ago, doesnt mean you are entitled to all the knowledge in between that event or even any of the insight. You create your own insights, this is called destiny, and if salvia determines your destiny then god help you.




That was in response to this paragraph of yours.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846769 - 07/11/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

So many already know. This is something you must learn with experience. No one can just tell you. This is why you need an open mind with Salvia, truly an amazing spirit that can teach you so many INCREDIBLE things.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: demiu5]
    #5846783 - 07/11/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I do say that salvia has nothing to teach us about ancient knowledge or any of that crap. just because some indian smoked this shit a thousand years ago, doesnt mean you are entitled to all the knowledge in between that event or even any of the insight. You create your own insights, this is called destiny, and if salvia determines your destiny then god help you.




That was in response to this paragraph of yours.




that is my paragraph, but whatever... whos counting


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5846787 - 07/11/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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So many already know. This is something you must learn with experience. No one can just tell you. This is why you need an open mind with Salvia, truly an amazing spirit that can teach you so many INCREDIBLE things.




What? So incredible that you cannot even describe them? I have had incredible insights on shrooms and I can at least make a feeble attempt to say what happened.

You know what I think. I think you are just taking a stance.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846817 - 07/11/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
So many already know. This is something you must learn with experience. No one can just tell you. This is why you need an open mind with Salvia, truly an amazing spirit that can teach you so many INCREDIBLE things.




What? So incredible that you cannot even describe them? I have had incredible insights on shrooms and I can at least make a feeble attempt to say what happened.

You know what I think. I think you are just taking a stance.




Evey moment lives on as its own existence forever. The moments you share and the energy you put into them will go on and that piece of you is stuck in that moment for eternity.


The bardo beings are some kind of gate keeper entities before the next life. They are massive colorful infinitely connected translucent light entities and time exists much differently for them.

Given the proper circumstances, Salvia will allow another "alien" being to interact with us. Only harmless interactions are allowed. All users earth bound or otherwise, must be in a calm relaxed positive mindset for this to occur.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5846844 - 07/11/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Evey moment lives on as its own existence forever. The moments you share and the energy you put into them will go on and that piece of you is stuck in that moment for eternity.

The bardo beings are some kind of gate keeper entities before the next life. They are massive colorful infinitely connected translucent light entities and time exists much differently for them.

Given the proper circumstances, Salvia will allow another "alien" being to interact with us. Only harmless interactions are allowed. All users earth bound or otherwise, must be in a calm relaxed positive mindset for this to occur.




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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846859 - 07/11/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: demiu5]
    #5846865 - 07/11/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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is ignorance bliss?




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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846883 - 07/11/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

or you could just answer the question... :rolleyes:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: demiu5]
    #5846914 - 07/11/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

it is a good idea to back away when people are getting too deep.
really
and
he does not like it
and it is a good idea to back away from that too.
both fantasies and preferences are personal and
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: demiu5]
    #5846923 - 07/11/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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or you could just answer the question... :rolleyes:




i wouldnt know the answer.


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    #5846925 - 07/11/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm just saying as a point of personal preferance that salvia is not enjoyable nor will it ever be no matter the dose, at least to me.




If that is all you're saying then you are probably right.

Salvia isn't *meant* to be enjoyable. Euphoria is beside the point. You found that Salvia is probably not for you. Maybe you are right. The circumstances are less than ideal though, the doses you took were either to wild or to mild to immediately catch your fancy.

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    #5846928 - 07/11/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Is a fantasy still a fantasy when others experience it too? At what point do fantasy and reality merge? At what point does impossible become reality? How many people have to agree on the experience?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5846937 - 07/11/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Is a fantasy still a fantasy when others experience it too? At what point do fantasy and reality merge? At what point does impossible become reality? How many people have to agree on the experience?




You can try and shove the effects of salvia down people's throats, but the "reality" is that salvia's effects are nothing more than a farse apparition of enlightenment.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Asante]
    #5846940 - 07/11/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm just saying as a point of personal preferance that salvia is not enjoyable nor will it ever be no matter the dose, at least to me.




If that is all you're saying then you are probably right.

Salvia isn't *meant* to be enjoyable. Euphoria is beside the point.




So salvia is meant to be terrifying?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846941 - 07/11/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Is a fantasy still a fantasy when others experience it too? At what point do fantasy and reality merge? At what point does impossible become reality? How many people have to agree on the experience?




You can try and shove the effects of salvia down people's throats, but the "reality" is that salvia's effects are nothing more than a farse apparition of enlightenment.




Im not talking to you.  :rolleyes: You know nothing of the power plants


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5846943 - 07/11/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Is a fantasy still a fantasy when others experience it too?




That depends on the nature of "reality" which is inherently uncertain. In trips there sometimes are moments shared by the participants that ought not exist in concensus reality.


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    #5846945 - 07/11/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Is a fantasy still a fantasy when others experience it too?




That depends on the nature of "reality" which is inherently uncertain. In trips there sometimes are moments shared by the participants that ought not exist in concensus reality.




If the moment is shared, is that not a concensus ?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846948 - 07/11/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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So salvia is meant to be terrifying?




This is all subjective but Salvia is far sooner ment to be interesting thn it is to be fun.

It is far more thought-provoking than it is pleasurable, usually.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5846950 - 07/11/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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MoeRon said:
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Is a fantasy still a fantasy when others experience it too? At what point do fantasy and reality merge? At what point does impossible become reality? How many people have to agree on the experience?




You can try and shove the effects of salvia down people's throats, but the "reality" is that salvia's effects are nothing more than a farse apparition of enlightenment.




Im not talking to you.  :rolleyes: You know nothing of the power plants




OooooH... Sorry Dali Lama, I didn't realize that I wasn't enlightened enough to understand the underlying beauty to a stupid plant with negative effects on your brain.


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    #5846953 - 07/11/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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If the moment is shared, is that not a concensus ?




Interesting! So if we in this thread, by our concensus, differ from the rest of the world, that would make options available to us that the outside world lacks. Got leprechauns?  :laugh:


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    #5846958 - 07/11/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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So salvia is meant to be terrifying?




This is all subjective but Salvia is far sooner ment to be interesting thn it is to be fun.

It is far more thought-provoking than it is pleasurable, usually.




I'm not a hedonist, and I didn't start using psychedelics to get a "fix". I started using them because I wanted to explore the depths of my consciousness. Shrooms and others have provided me with really interesting and introspective thoughts, but salvia has touched a part of my consciousness that I do not want to meddle with - despair, fear, loss of hope - this is what salvia does to me. It's not because I don't appreciate it, it's because it doesn't react well with my personality.


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    #5846962 - 07/11/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I didn't realize that I wasn't enlightened enough to understand the underlying beauty to a stupid plant with negative effects on your brain.




Do you seriously not see that your interpretation is highly biased by a handful of personal experiences? Stop thinking in absolutes!


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    #5846967 - 07/11/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If you think it is bad for you - don't do it!
Nobody here disputes this. But Salvia is many things to many people so don't paint it all with one brush..


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    #5846970 - 07/11/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I didn't realize that I wasn't enlightened enough to understand the underlying beauty to a stupid plant with negative effects on your brain.




Do you seriously not see that your interpretation is highly biased by a handful of personal experiences? Stop thinking in absolutes!




touche', I was dealing in absolutes, but so are you!

you say because I have negative experiences on salvia that it can be my fault, my whole fault, and nothing but my fault. I subscribe to the theory that psychedelics are based heavily on preference, and that they are not enlightening to everyone.


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    #5846977 - 07/11/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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You know what I think. I think you are just taking a stance.


pot ,kettle,black  Your very funny. :grin:




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    #5846984 - 07/11/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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you say because I have negative experiences on salvia that it can be my fault, my whole fault, and nothing but my fault.




Nope I state very clearly your view is *biased* by your bad experiences. The buzzing fly in your room may be part of your bad trip as much as a horrible childhood occurrence. Its a combination of many things!

Quote:

I subscribe to the theory that psychedelics are based heavily on preference, and that they are not enlightening to everyone.




By default you are absolutely right, it's what you do with it that can make it useless or meaningful. Hence the emphasis on preparation and mental work, advocated by most trippers here.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Asante]
    #5846996 - 07/11/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Wiccan_Seeker, I think you are threatened by the fact that I don't respect your opinion, which is quite the opposite. By the way you talk I'm sure you have a lot more experience with psychedelics than me.

However, is every psychedelic holy? is every psychedelic so worth doing that it doesnt matter what a large group of people say? (salvia nay-sayers.)

I just think it is one of those substances that can be skipped.

If you get an enlightening experience from it then more power to you, but quit hating on me cause i dont like it.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5847068 - 07/11/06 01:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I think you are threatened by the fact that I don't respect your opinion




Nope, I'd love to win you over to the same opinion though because the opinion I share with several here can ber very useful in more ways than just this one.

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However, is every psychedelic holy? is every psychedelic so worth doing that it doesnt matter what a large group of people say?




None are holy, but all the non-toxic ones that I know all have their value. This shouldnt mean that people have to use them. To each their own, only its a better stance to say you don't like it, instead of calling the plant useless and that it should be illegal.

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quit hating on me cause i dont like it.




I'm not hating on you in any way, this is all merry discussion as I see it, and if I could help you integrate your difficult experience, then I would.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5847078 - 07/11/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

fantasy, or should I say construct is enjoyable and might even be scientific enough that it can be used to approximate or calculate what might happen next in scenarios. even tarot cards can become useful constructs.
no need to ram it down anyone's throat.

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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5847084 - 07/11/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

*MoeRon

Username typos are running rife tonight, i got torched for mine :blush:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5847086 - 07/11/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Is that supposed to be an answer to my question?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5847100 - 07/11/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
fantasy, or should I say construct is enjoyable and might even be scientific enough that it can be used to approximate or calculate what might happen next in scenarios. even tarot cards can become useful constructs.
no need to ram it down anyone's throat.

MoRon has a good streak of SwAmi in him.




I dont believe in astrology, this is not what that thread is about.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Asante]
    #5847112 - 07/11/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
*MoeRon

Username typos are running rife tonight, i got torched for mine :blush:




It's not a typo its a pun, but i guess salvia has made you transcend the barriers of puns, and just see them as regular words. God i feel so inadequate being so un-enlightened.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5847162 - 07/11/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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It's not a typo its a pun, but i guess salvia has made you transcend the barriers of puns, and just see them as regular words. God i feel so inadequate being so un-enlightened.




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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5847169 - 07/11/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I know this is about who is best at poker
or weight lifting.
sorry about the spelling above
I have a brief memory issue,
might be due to daily salvia.
(worship - I think not)

anyway I got something soothing for everyone

do you know what a bebila is?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5847186 - 07/11/06 02:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

MoeRon said:
Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
*MoeRon

Username typos are running rife tonight, i got torched for mine :blush:




It's not a typo its a pun, but i guess salvia has made you transcend the barriers of puns, and just see them as regular words. God i feel so inadequate being so un-enlightened.


That is just a mean-spirited thing to say, and I don't even think Wiccan was talking to you.  :rolleyes:

All the other side wants in this argument, MoeRon, is for you to acknowledge the possibility that salvia can be a spiritually beneficial substance, whose use can impart 'positive' experience on its user.  The problem here is that you want your opinion to be respected, but you are using words, like "apparition of enlightenment", that show that you have no respect for the 'opposition' opinion.

Many people have had horrible experiences like the one you describe with salvia, myself included.  Many people have also had 'mild' or 'pointless' experiences like the ones you claim to have had after your first intense trip.  I do not deny the relevance of these trips.  But why is it impossible for you to acknowledge that some people have had really profound experiences with salvia?  You would not know, because you have not used salvia in a discplined way and you haven't used it for the specific purpose of gleaning spiritual insight.  I would posit that there are some here who have used salvia hundreds of times and feel they are still at the tip of the iceberg in terms of the substance's effects. 

Your stance is akin to someone who has meditated 6 times, felt nothing, and decided that it is totally bogus.  It would be fine, of course, for you to discontinue that meditation, but to rail against those who have meditated for months, years, their whole lives, as people who are doing something which is only an "apparition of enlightenment", is mean-spirited, not to mention irrational.  Like meditation, there is much evidence in the form of Shroomery posters' experiences, trip reports on other websites, and the link that Wiccan posted earlier, to suggest that salvia is a powerful visionary substance with real wisdom to offer.  Why is it so hard for you to accept the possibility of this?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5847189 - 07/11/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

redgreenvines care to answer my question about the nature of reality?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5847195 - 07/11/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
I know this is about who is best at poker
or weight lifting.
sorry about the spelling above
I have a brief memory issue,
might be due to daily salvia.
(worship - I think not)

anyway I got something soothing for everyone

do you know what a bebila is?




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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5847199 - 07/11/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

EquilibiuM, I'm sorry for attacking your beliefs, salvia just isn't for me, if you like it then thats cool.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5847215 - 07/11/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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MoeRon said:
EquilibiuM, I'm sorry for attacking your beliefs, salvia just isn't for me, if you like it then thats cool.




Nothing personal here, I just think that people should respect power plants and recognize that there is much more to them then the surface. An ally such as Salvia can be difficult to get along with, but once a bond is established, so much can be learned.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5847226 - 07/11/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

STOP REPLYING TO MOERON
HE IS JUST TROLLING

IGNORE HIM COMPLETELY...
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5847258 - 07/11/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't read the whole thread and I know some people probably made the same points, but I'm going to share my opinion.

1. Salvia is not for recreational purposes. It is a spiritual teacher.
I have broken through on salvia a good 30+ times, and I feel that I have a pretty good grasp on the experience. (subjectively speaking of course) In my perception of things, the salvia entity is an ancient goddess, that embodies the raw fury and perserverence of the spirit of nature in all its primal timelessness. Salvia is good for humans, in that it deconstructs the barriers of stupidity that we build around us. Salvia is especially good at scaring the shit out of people who are burrowed so deeply in these illusions that they lose touch with the true nature of reality. Again, this is just from my personal experiences with it. Contact with the salvia entity can be a gentle and refreshing breeze, or a terrifying hurricane that will destroy your entire neighborhood in seconds, depending on your perspective and whatever mental constructs you happen to have up at the time. Salvia is good at smacking some sense into you, whatever the case may be. This of course depends on what you decide to take from the experience. I could write a book on my perspective on the salvia entity, but this paragraph should suffice.

2. One fleeting and extremely subjective experience with a substance is not nearly enough to gauge its overall effectiveness in the entirety of the human race. It is certainly not enough to call it an evil plant from the depths of hell. Salvia has been used for thousands of years, by cultures from all over the world, without people thinking there were evil clowns trying to kill them. Salvia has a good way of projecting and magnifying one's inner thoughts in a way that is meant to smack some sense into you, and to some people, this can manifest in a terrifying manner. Fear is meant to be faced and learned from, not ran away from.

3. You say you are not a tripping noob, but you also say that you have never tried LSD... and that you think salvia might be like LSD because someone told you that. These are completely contradictory statements, so you will excuse me if I don't believe you.

4. In my experience, salvia breakthroughs are best partaken outdoors in nature.. preferably in a forest or large field, near a river or lake. I've broken through several times indoors, and it was not a very pleasant experience.. even being in the comfort and security of my own room. There is something about the unnatural and confined that salvia really dislikes, and will fight against. And salvia always wins. Nature always does. The best course or me is to sit quietly in nature, perhaps meditate beforehand, before I partake. Taken in the proper mindset, salvia can be extremely helpful in overcoming many mental barriers. I knew once you said you were in a friends room, with mirrors and christmas lights, that it was probably not very enjoyable. Set and setting my friend.. set and setting.

5. LSD and salvia do not even compare. They are not even remotely similar. They are in different galaxies as far as psychedelic experiences are concerned. I'd compare LSD to mushrooms before I ever compared them to salvia, but even that is a weak comparison that falls short.

6. Respect yourself. Respect salvia. Do it for the right reasons, in the right environment, with the right people, and you will have a completely different experience.

Hopefully you learned something from the experience.. but it sounds like you are just being negative about it, because you expected something different, and didn't like what you got. That was your first mistake.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5847724 - 07/11/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
redgreenvines care to answer my question about the nature of reality?



I thought I did.
you are connecting with your environment intensely and with a kind of shifting timebase, or extra dimensionality perspective.
these words are already constructs of mine.
you make your own constructs up in order to better engage with the universe.
you also wish to share your insights,
I am the same.
however I know that it is a fragile engineering that I offer.
like buildings made of ballanced flower petals.
It hangs together for us as we need it.
it does not need to be foisted on anyone else.
what is real is already real, the only reason not to aggree is being out of synch on an differrent wavelength, runing or pushing away rather than coming together.

I guess nobody liked my effort at soothing.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5849829 - 07/12/06 04:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:

I guess nobody liked my effort at soothing.




I did find it soothing, funny and appropriate.  :tongue2:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: astraalialma]
    #5849876 - 07/12/06 05:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

personally, i like the "bad trips" the most, because they are usually the most intense.

stop being such a fuckin baby!  :smile:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5850320 - 07/12/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
Is a fantasy still a fantasy when others experience it too? At what point do fantasy and reality merge? At what point does impossible become reality? How many people have to agree on the experience?




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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: kotik]
    #5850502 - 07/12/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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kotik said:
personally, i like the "bad trips" the most, because they are usually the most intense.





Bullshit. :grin:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #6681764 - 03/17/07 09:45 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Impending doom? Oh you mean death...right? Isn't that what most all entheogens are getting at? people call it ego death, enlightenment, communing with god or goddess, whatever word or words you choose. This is prep for letting go. Letting go of everthing, even the line between good and evil. That is the experience most all psychonauts are searching for. Mushrooms probably are much easier to handle, especially at moderate dosages. You did a great job at getting people to respond to you. Remember you are on your death bed, you are dying. It won't be long so you might as well accept it now. Impending doom !!! hehe Maybe a better substance would be Jesus or some religon with the everlasting afterlife. Then you can feel peace that life goes on forever.....enjoy the fantasy. We Love You


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #6681821 - 03/17/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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MoeRon said:
Salvia should be illegal and shrooms should be sold in stores, just my opinion.





Wow. Are you serious?

So - because YOU didn't like something it should be illegal, huh?
That's how acid got illegal. Some guy in a suit decided it wasn't for him, and therefore - WE can't have any either.

Please don't think like that.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: GrizzyCappy]
    #6681830 - 03/17/07 10:04 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Don't get so bent out of shape.
You guys are totally missing the point here.

Freaky Funhouse Clowns are totally SCARY. They WILL eat you. I feel bad for you if you don't know that.

I'm with you man, DOWN with salvia.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #6681850 - 03/17/07 10:11 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

yeah salvia is wicked intense. its soooo much different than LSd though. With salvia you become so detached from the real world that you forget your own existence sometimes. With lsd it's like the world is kicked up a few notches and everything looks really cool and understandable. But dont get scared away from acid because of salvia.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #8042814 - 02/19/08 01:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm sorry but after reading this thread I have come to the conclusion that you are a total moron. Unbiased opinion - I have never done Salvia, but you are just... wow...


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #8042960 - 02/19/08 01:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I love this thread! :lol:

I haven't smoked salvia in about half a year because it makes my brain hurt. DMT is better.

I still want to try salvia again, though, because it's obviously your own fault when you take a psychedelic drug and have an unpleasant experience. I figure I just need to be more mature.

BTW, don't listen to GrizzyCappy, LSD is an infinitely friendlier drug than salvia.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: CFCID]
    #8042965 - 02/19/08 01:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think salvia brings out certain things in everybody. When I have done it I feel like I'm being tricked or tested by the drug itself. When I feel that happening I can't help but try to fight it and get my head back to normal, usually resulting in a shitty experience.
Salvias physical effects are very uncomfortable for me too. Prickly, hot, and sucked sideways.


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    #8043394 - 02/19/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you should learn from your bad trips instead of turning your back and bitchig about it, i had more bad trips on shrooms then good(which sucks but there getting better) and each bad one i learn a lil more about myself and how i can be a better person in real life. Now when i ate 7 grams of my b+(forgot how powerful they can be) and had my worst trip ever the next day and following month life was great nothin brought me down.

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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Shroomism]
    #11501614 - 11/21/09 10:01 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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I didn't read the whole thread and I know some people probably made the same points, but I'm going to share my opinion.

1. Salvia is not for recreational purposes. It is a spiritual teacher.
I have broken through on salvia a good 30+ times, and I feel that I have a pretty good grasp on the experience. (subjectively speaking of course) In my perception of things, the salvia entity is an ancient goddess, that embodies the raw fury and perserverence of the spirit of nature in all its primal timelessness. Salvia is good for humans, in that it deconstructs the barriers of stupidity that we build around us. Salvia is especially good at scaring the shit out of people who are burrowed so deeply in these illusions that they lose touch with the true nature of reality. Again, this is just from my personal experiences with it. Contact with the salvia entity can be a gentle and refreshing breeze, or a terrifying hurricane that will destroy your entire neighborhood in seconds, depending on your perspective and whatever mental constructs you happen to have up at the time. Salvia is good at smacking some sense into you, whatever the case may be. This of course depends on what you decide to take from the experience. I could write a book on my perspective on the salvia entity, but this paragraph should suffice.

2. One fleeting and extremely subjective experience with a substance is not nearly enough to gauge its overall effectiveness in the entirety of the human race. It is certainly not enough to call it an evil plant from the depths of hell. Salvia has been used for thousands of years, by cultures from all over the world, without people thinking there were evil clowns trying to kill them. Salvia has a good way of projecting and magnifying one's inner thoughts in a way that is meant to smack some sense into you, and to some people, this can manifest in a terrifying manner. Fear is meant to be faced and learned from, not ran away from.

3. You say you are not a tripping noob, but you also say that you have never tried LSD... and that you think salvia might be like LSD because someone told you that. These are completely contradictory statements, so you will excuse me if I don't believe you.

4. In my experience, salvia breakthroughs are best partaken outdoors in nature.. preferably in a forest or large field, near a river or lake. I've broken through several times indoors, and it was not a very pleasant experience.. even being in the comfort and security of my own room. There is something about the unnatural and confined that salvia really dislikes, and will fight against. And salvia always wins. Nature always does. The best course or me is to sit quietly in nature, perhaps meditate beforehand, before I partake. Taken in the proper mindset, salvia can be extremely helpful in overcoming many mental barriers. I knew once you said you were in a friends room, with mirrors and christmas lights, that it was probably not very enjoyable. Set and setting my friend.. set and setting.

5. LSD and salvia do not even compare. They are not even remotely similar. They are in different galaxies as far as psychedelic experiences are concerned. I'd compare LSD to mushrooms before I ever compared them to salvia, but even that is a weak comparison that falls short.

6. Respect yourself. Respect salvia. Do it for the right reasons, in the right environment, with the right people, and you will have a completely different experience.

Hopefully you learned something from the experience.. but it sounds like you are just being negative about it, because you expected something different, and didn't like what you got. That was your first mistake.




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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: seraphnz]
    #11501641 - 11/21/09 10:05 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

i love salvia. its intense and costs a lot, but damn is it fun


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: raceandsmoke]
    #11503776 - 11/22/09 11:57 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting.... so you have had more bad trips than good.  But still continue to take them. 

I think I might fall into that category myself.  Never had a really bad bad trip but have felt uncomfortable at times.  I say to myself I wont take them again.... but then do.

I also feel better in the following days after taking shrooms.  It just makes me feel better emotionally for some reason.  I am much more tolerant of others and my family.  So the question is.... do I continue to take them if sometimes they make me uncomfortable?  I am not sure at this point.

I had a 20 year absence from tripping and just recently found them again.  At first it was just so great... now its more of a learning experience...  mushrooms are trippy.  Are they your friend or foe?

I think friend with some knowledge to teach you...


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