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Asante
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
#5847068 - 07/11/06 01:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you are threatened by the fact that I don't respect your opinion
Nope, I'd love to win you over to the same opinion though because the opinion I share with several here can ber very useful in more ways than just this one.
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However, is every psychedelic holy? is every psychedelic so worth doing that it doesnt matter what a large group of people say?
None are holy, but all the non-toxic ones that I know all have their value. This shouldnt mean that people have to use them. To each their own, only its a better stance to say you don't like it, instead of calling the plant useless and that it should be illegal.
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quit hating on me cause i dont like it.
I'm not hating on you in any way, this is all merry discussion as I see it, and if I could help you integrate your difficult experience, then I would.
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redgreenvines
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
#5847078 - 07/11/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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fantasy, or should I say construct is enjoyable and might even be scientific enough that it can be used to approximate or calculate what might happen next in scenarios. even tarot cards can become useful constructs. no need to ram it down anyone's throat.
MoRon has a good streak of SwAmi in him.
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Asante
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: redgreenvines]
#5847084 - 07/11/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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*MoeRon
Username typos are running rife tonight, i got torched for mine
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: redgreenvines]
#5847086 - 07/11/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is that supposed to be an answer to my question?
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Flop Johnson
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: redgreenvines]
#5847100 - 07/11/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: fantasy, or should I say construct is enjoyable and might even be scientific enough that it can be used to approximate or calculate what might happen next in scenarios. even tarot cards can become useful constructs. no need to ram it down anyone's throat.
MoRon has a good streak of SwAmi in him.
I dont believe in astrology, this is not what that thread is about.
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Flop Johnson
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Asante]
#5847112 - 07/11/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: *MoeRon
Username typos are running rife tonight, i got torched for mine
It's not a typo its a pun, but i guess salvia has made you transcend the barriers of puns, and just see them as regular words. God i feel so inadequate being so un-enlightened.
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Asante
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
#5847162 - 07/11/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's not a typo its a pun, but i guess salvia has made you transcend the barriers of puns, and just see them as regular words. God i feel so inadequate being so un-enlightened.
Looks like someone is taking things too personally.. I'm outta here!
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redgreenvines
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
#5847169 - 07/11/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know this is about who is best at poker or weight lifting. sorry about the spelling above I have a brief memory issue, might be due to daily salvia. (worship - I think not)
anyway I got something soothing for everyone
do you know what a bebila is?
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Lion
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
#5847186 - 07/11/06 02:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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MoeRon said:
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Wiccan_Seeker said: *MoeRon
Username typos are running rife tonight, i got torched for mine
It's not a typo its a pun, but i guess salvia has made you transcend the barriers of puns, and just see them as regular words. God i feel so inadequate being so un-enlightened.
That is just a mean-spirited thing to say, and I don't even think Wiccan was talking to you. 
All the other side wants in this argument, MoeRon, is for you to acknowledge the possibility that salvia can be a spiritually beneficial substance, whose use can impart 'positive' experience on its user. The problem here is that you want your opinion to be respected, but you are using words, like "apparition of enlightenment", that show that you have no respect for the 'opposition' opinion.
Many people have had horrible experiences like the one you describe with salvia, myself included. Many people have also had 'mild' or 'pointless' experiences like the ones you claim to have had after your first intense trip. I do not deny the relevance of these trips. But why is it impossible for you to acknowledge that some people have had really profound experiences with salvia? You would not know, because you have not used salvia in a discplined way and you haven't used it for the specific purpose of gleaning spiritual insight. I would posit that there are some here who have used salvia hundreds of times and feel they are still at the tip of the iceberg in terms of the substance's effects.
Your stance is akin to someone who has meditated 6 times, felt nothing, and decided that it is totally bogus. It would be fine, of course, for you to discontinue that meditation, but to rail against those who have meditated for months, years, their whole lives, as people who are doing something which is only an "apparition of enlightenment", is mean-spirited, not to mention irrational. Like meditation, there is much evidence in the form of Shroomery posters' experiences, trip reports on other websites, and the link that Wiccan posted earlier, to suggest that salvia is a powerful visionary substance with real wisdom to offer. Why is it so hard for you to accept the possibility of this?
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: redgreenvines]
#5847189 - 07/11/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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redgreenvines care to answer my question about the nature of reality?
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Flop Johnson
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: redgreenvines]
#5847195 - 07/11/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: I know this is about who is best at poker or weight lifting. sorry about the spelling above I have a brief memory issue, might be due to daily salvia. (worship - I think not)
anyway I got something soothing for everyone
do you know what a bebila is?
Thanks, I love insults, almost as much as I love you.
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Flop Johnson
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
#5847199 - 07/11/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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EquilibiuM, I'm sorry for attacking your beliefs, salvia just isn't for me, if you like it then thats cool.
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
#5847215 - 07/11/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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MoeRon said: EquilibiuM, I'm sorry for attacking your beliefs, salvia just isn't for me, if you like it then thats cool.
Nothing personal here, I just think that people should respect power plants and recognize that there is much more to them then the surface. An ally such as Salvia can be difficult to get along with, but once a bond is established, so much can be learned.
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5847226 - 07/11/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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STOP REPLYING TO MOERON HE IS JUST TROLLING
IGNORE HIM COMPLETELY... SERIOUSLY. LET THIS THREAD DIE.
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Shroomism
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
#5847258 - 07/11/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I didn't read the whole thread and I know some people probably made the same points, but I'm going to share my opinion.
1. Salvia is not for recreational purposes. It is a spiritual teacher. I have broken through on salvia a good 30+ times, and I feel that I have a pretty good grasp on the experience. (subjectively speaking of course) In my perception of things, the salvia entity is an ancient goddess, that embodies the raw fury and perserverence of the spirit of nature in all its primal timelessness. Salvia is good for humans, in that it deconstructs the barriers of stupidity that we build around us. Salvia is especially good at scaring the shit out of people who are burrowed so deeply in these illusions that they lose touch with the true nature of reality. Again, this is just from my personal experiences with it. Contact with the salvia entity can be a gentle and refreshing breeze, or a terrifying hurricane that will destroy your entire neighborhood in seconds, depending on your perspective and whatever mental constructs you happen to have up at the time. Salvia is good at smacking some sense into you, whatever the case may be. This of course depends on what you decide to take from the experience. I could write a book on my perspective on the salvia entity, but this paragraph should suffice.
2. One fleeting and extremely subjective experience with a substance is not nearly enough to gauge its overall effectiveness in the entirety of the human race. It is certainly not enough to call it an evil plant from the depths of hell. Salvia has been used for thousands of years, by cultures from all over the world, without people thinking there were evil clowns trying to kill them. Salvia has a good way of projecting and magnifying one's inner thoughts in a way that is meant to smack some sense into you, and to some people, this can manifest in a terrifying manner. Fear is meant to be faced and learned from, not ran away from.
3. You say you are not a tripping noob, but you also say that you have never tried LSD... and that you think salvia might be like LSD because someone told you that. These are completely contradictory statements, so you will excuse me if I don't believe you.
4. In my experience, salvia breakthroughs are best partaken outdoors in nature.. preferably in a forest or large field, near a river or lake. I've broken through several times indoors, and it was not a very pleasant experience.. even being in the comfort and security of my own room. There is something about the unnatural and confined that salvia really dislikes, and will fight against. And salvia always wins. Nature always does. The best course or me is to sit quietly in nature, perhaps meditate beforehand, before I partake. Taken in the proper mindset, salvia can be extremely helpful in overcoming many mental barriers. I knew once you said you were in a friends room, with mirrors and christmas lights, that it was probably not very enjoyable. Set and setting my friend.. set and setting.
5. LSD and salvia do not even compare. They are not even remotely similar. They are in different galaxies as far as psychedelic experiences are concerned. I'd compare LSD to mushrooms before I ever compared them to salvia, but even that is a weak comparison that falls short.
6. Respect yourself. Respect salvia. Do it for the right reasons, in the right environment, with the right people, and you will have a completely different experience.
Hopefully you learned something from the experience.. but it sounds like you are just being negative about it, because you expected something different, and didn't like what you got. That was your first mistake.
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5847724 - 07/11/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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EquilibriuM said: redgreenvines care to answer my question about the nature of reality?
I thought I did. you are connecting with your environment intensely and with a kind of shifting timebase, or extra dimensionality perspective. these words are already constructs of mine. you make your own constructs up in order to better engage with the universe. you also wish to share your insights, I am the same. however I know that it is a fragile engineering that I offer. like buildings made of ballanced flower petals. It hangs together for us as we need it. it does not need to be foisted on anyone else. what is real is already real, the only reason not to aggree is being out of synch on an differrent wavelength, runing or pushing away rather than coming together.
I guess nobody liked my effort at soothing.
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astraalialma
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: redgreenvines]
#5849829 - 07/12/06 04:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said:
I guess nobody liked my effort at soothing.
I did find it soothing, funny and appropriate.
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kotik
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: astraalialma]
#5849876 - 07/12/06 05:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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personally, i like the "bad trips" the most, because they are usually the most intense.
stop being such a fuckin baby!
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redgreenvines
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5850320 - 07/12/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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EquilibriuM said: Is a fantasy still a fantasy when others experience it too? At what point do fantasy and reality merge? At what point does impossible become reality? How many people have to agree on the experience?
everything you can think of is real.
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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: kotik]
#5850502 - 07/12/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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kotik said: personally, i like the "bad trips" the most, because they are usually the most intense.
Bullshit.
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