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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Asante]
    #5846925 - 07/11/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm just saying as a point of personal preferance that salvia is not enjoyable nor will it ever be no matter the dose, at least to me.




If that is all you're saying then you are probably right.

Salvia isn't *meant* to be enjoyable. Euphoria is beside the point. You found that Salvia is probably not for you. Maybe you are right. The circumstances are less than ideal though, the doses you took were either to wild or to mild to immediately catch your fancy.

Go to the Marketplace forum and trade your Salvia for a spore syringe :thumbup:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5846928 - 07/11/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Is a fantasy still a fantasy when others experience it too? At what point do fantasy and reality merge? At what point does impossible become reality? How many people have to agree on the experience?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5846937 - 07/11/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Is a fantasy still a fantasy when others experience it too? At what point do fantasy and reality merge? At what point does impossible become reality? How many people have to agree on the experience?




You can try and shove the effects of salvia down people's throats, but the "reality" is that salvia's effects are nothing more than a farse apparition of enlightenment.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846941 - 07/11/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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MoeRon said:
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EquilibriuM said:
Is a fantasy still a fantasy when others experience it too? At what point do fantasy and reality merge? At what point does impossible become reality? How many people have to agree on the experience?




You can try and shove the effects of salvia down people's throats, but the "reality" is that salvia's effects are nothing more than a farse apparition of enlightenment.




Im not talking to you.  :rolleyes: You know nothing of the power plants


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Asante]
    #5846940 - 07/11/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm just saying as a point of personal preferance that salvia is not enjoyable nor will it ever be no matter the dose, at least to me.




If that is all you're saying then you are probably right.

Salvia isn't *meant* to be enjoyable. Euphoria is beside the point.




So salvia is meant to be terrifying?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5846943 - 07/11/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Is a fantasy still a fantasy when others experience it too?




That depends on the nature of "reality" which is inherently uncertain. In trips there sometimes are moments shared by the participants that ought not exist in concensus reality.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Asante]
    #5846945 - 07/11/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Is a fantasy still a fantasy when others experience it too?




That depends on the nature of "reality" which is inherently uncertain. In trips there sometimes are moments shared by the participants that ought not exist in concensus reality.




If the moment is shared, is that not a concensus ?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846948 - 07/11/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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So salvia is meant to be terrifying?




This is all subjective but Salvia is far sooner ment to be interesting thn it is to be fun.

It is far more thought-provoking than it is pleasurable, usually.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5846950 - 07/11/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
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MoeRon said:
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EquilibriuM said:
Is a fantasy still a fantasy when others experience it too? At what point do fantasy and reality merge? At what point does impossible become reality? How many people have to agree on the experience?




You can try and shove the effects of salvia down people's throats, but the "reality" is that salvia's effects are nothing more than a farse apparition of enlightenment.




Im not talking to you.  :rolleyes: You know nothing of the power plants




OooooH... Sorry Dali Lama, I didn't realize that I wasn't enlightened enough to understand the underlying beauty to a stupid plant with negative effects on your brain.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5846953 - 07/11/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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If the moment is shared, is that not a concensus ?




Interesting! So if we in this thread, by our concensus, differ from the rest of the world, that would make options available to us that the outside world lacks. Got leprechauns?  :laugh:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Asante]
    #5846958 - 07/11/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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So salvia is meant to be terrifying?




This is all subjective but Salvia is far sooner ment to be interesting thn it is to be fun.

It is far more thought-provoking than it is pleasurable, usually.




I'm not a hedonist, and I didn't start using psychedelics to get a "fix". I started using them because I wanted to explore the depths of my consciousness. Shrooms and others have provided me with really interesting and introspective thoughts, but salvia has touched a part of my consciousness that I do not want to meddle with - despair, fear, loss of hope - this is what salvia does to me. It's not because I don't appreciate it, it's because it doesn't react well with my personality.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846962 - 07/11/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I didn't realize that I wasn't enlightened enough to understand the underlying beauty to a stupid plant with negative effects on your brain.




Do you seriously not see that your interpretation is highly biased by a handful of personal experiences? Stop thinking in absolutes!


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846967 - 07/11/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If you think it is bad for you - don't do it!
Nobody here disputes this. But Salvia is many things to many people so don't paint it all with one brush..


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    #5846968 - 07/11/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Asante]
    #5846970 - 07/11/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I didn't realize that I wasn't enlightened enough to understand the underlying beauty to a stupid plant with negative effects on your brain.




Do you seriously not see that your interpretation is highly biased by a handful of personal experiences? Stop thinking in absolutes!




touche', I was dealing in absolutes, but so are you!

you say because I have negative experiences on salvia that it can be my fault, my whole fault, and nothing but my fault. I subscribe to the theory that psychedelics are based heavily on preference, and that they are not enlightening to everyone.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: poboy]
    #5846973 - 07/11/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Don't fuel the fire pooboy!


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: poboy]
    #5846977 - 07/11/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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poboy said:
You know what I think. I think you are just taking a stance.


pot ,kettle,black  Your very funny. :grin:




forgive me for being thick headed, but the phrase "pot, kettle, black" only conjures a Wilco song in my head. what does that saying mean?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846984 - 07/11/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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you say because I have negative experiences on salvia that it can be my fault, my whole fault, and nothing but my fault.




Nope I state very clearly your view is *biased* by your bad experiences. The buzzing fly in your room may be part of your bad trip as much as a horrible childhood occurrence. Its a combination of many things!

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I subscribe to the theory that psychedelics are based heavily on preference, and that they are not enlightening to everyone.




By default you are absolutely right, it's what you do with it that can make it useless or meaningful. Hence the emphasis on preparation and mental work, advocated by most trippers here.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Asante]
    #5846986 - 07/11/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

*poboy :blush:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Asante]
    #5846996 - 07/11/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Wiccan_Seeker, I think you are threatened by the fact that I don't respect your opinion, which is quite the opposite. By the way you talk I'm sure you have a lot more experience with psychedelics than me.

However, is every psychedelic holy? is every psychedelic so worth doing that it doesnt matter what a large group of people say? (salvia nay-sayers.)

I just think it is one of those substances that can be skipped.

If you get an enlightening experience from it then more power to you, but quit hating on me cause i dont like it.


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