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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846705 - 07/11/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't think anyone is taking issue with your preference for other psychedelics over salvia.  Personally, I don't think you're mentally ready for salvia to reveal its full potential to you, so it's good that you've chosen to stay away.

I personally am kind of offended be your grouping of salvia users into a class of people who are somehow "less right" than other psychedelic users.  You contend that salvia takes you to parts of your consciousness that no one should enter.  I ask the simple question to you, who are you to know what parts of hiw own consciousness a human being should enter?  What makes one altered state of consciousness "better" than the other if the both reflect truths about the nature of consciousness?

Every human has deep, dark chasms in his own consciousness; most shy away from exploring them.  When you de-pathologize the psyche, and realize that the deepest essence of the human consciousness is Good and Beautiful, not Depraved Axe-Murdered, Sadomasochist, etc., you can start to look at the darker places, and through them uncover the Light.  This, I think, is the essence of the Psychedelic Experience, and salvia has been very benificial to me on my spiritual path.

To each his own.  :heart:




Okay, you got me on oversimplifying consiousness!

However, I never said that you were somehow a "flawed" psychedelic user, just that your preferance or even possibly needs as a user are different from mine.

I do not think that salvia can be rewarding for me no matter the circumstance. You say that I'm not ready for it, I think that you may not be ready for the truth that salvia is nothing more than a plant that puts you in a stupor.

However, that is all based on personal experience so it is biased, but hey.... where would we be without experiences. . . no experiences, no preferences. . . no preferences no conflict.

so whatev. thats my opinion and im sticking to it.

feel free to prove an opinion wrong.


Far be it from me to attempt to disprove an opinion.  If it was your opinion that 1+1=Gary Coleman, I would not attempt to dissuade you from opining thusly.

However, I think that I can speak as more of an authority on the nature of salvia, being as I am a daily user who has experienced a HUGE spectrum of its effects, from the confusing "stupor" you describe, to uncomfortable threshold effects, to horribly frightening fights against ego dissolution; from ghouls and demons trying to eat my soul, to witches trying to carry me and my ceiling fan out my window; and I have also seen the immensely beautiful mental landscapes it can open up, landscapes that I have been lead into by beautiful and exotic entities.  I think you are ignorant in suggesting from a few preliminary incursions into a psychedelic realm that you somehow know the true nature of this 'f*ing plant'.  But it's your right to be ignorant, dammit!  :laugh:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846706 - 07/11/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

entity: An entity is something that has a distinct, separate existence, though it need not be a material existence.

How is a plant not a non-human entity? Please, tell me this.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: mellowrubberduck]
    #5846721 - 07/11/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: demiu5]
    #5846727 - 07/11/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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demius said:
entity: An entity is something that has a distinct, separate existence, though it need not be a material existence.

How is a plant not a non-human entity? Please, tell me this.




Youre just trying to twist my words.

I never said salvia wasn't a non-human entity. I know how to read a dictionary so I know that much is true.
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EquilibriUM
Salvia - A non-human entity capable of teaching great wisdom and revealing ancient knowledge.




I do say that salvia has nothing to teach us about ancient knowledge or any of that crap. just because some indian smoked this shit a thousand years ago, doesnt mean you are entitled to all the knowledge in between that event or even any of the insight. You create your own insights, this is called destiny, and if salvia determines your destiny then god help you.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846730 - 07/11/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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is it?yeah i think so




Yeah, You THINK so. I happen to KNOW its more then a plant.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846737 - 07/11/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

First of all Mushrooms ARE NOT plants, they are fungi. And for that matter neither is LSD. Second of all I have said over and over again that I have tried salvia several times since then at varying doses and potencies. Salvia is useless in my opinion, you think it sounds bitter, I think its just practical. It makes you feel uncomfortable, amongst other things, and it is simply not something I would reccomend to anyone else.




Well, in reality, it doesn't make *me* uncomfortable, and isn't simply something *you* would recommend. All a matter of opinion, again! If somebody asks you about a drug they're interested in trying, you shouldn't just say *Don't even think about smoking it man, it sucks*. That's an opinion. You should always say what you got out of it and tell them the technique, and they'll make they're own decisions. That is all.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846741 - 07/11/06 12:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

knowledge is shared, globally, consciously, transcendent of time.

What's your point again?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5846744 - 07/11/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
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MoeRon said:
is it?yeah i think so




Yeah, You THINK so. I happen to KNOW its more then a plant.




Well would you mind sharing this carnal knowledge with the rest of us?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: demiu5]
    #5846755 - 07/11/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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demius said:
knowledge is shared, globally, consciously, transcendent of time.

What's your point again?




Whats my point? . . . . Whats your point, were talking about salvia not transcending the time barrier


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: demiu5]
    #5846760 - 07/11/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I do say that salvia has nothing to teach us about ancient knowledge or any of that crap. just because some indian smoked this shit a thousand years ago, doesnt mean you are entitled to all the knowledge in between that event or even any of the insight. You create your own insights, this is called destiny, and if salvia determines your destiny then god help you.




That was in response to this paragraph of yours.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846769 - 07/11/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

So many already know. This is something you must learn with experience. No one can just tell you. This is why you need an open mind with Salvia, truly an amazing spirit that can teach you so many INCREDIBLE things.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: demiu5]
    #5846783 - 07/11/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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demius said:
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I do say that salvia has nothing to teach us about ancient knowledge or any of that crap. just because some indian smoked this shit a thousand years ago, doesnt mean you are entitled to all the knowledge in between that event or even any of the insight. You create your own insights, this is called destiny, and if salvia determines your destiny then god help you.




That was in response to this paragraph of yours.




that is my paragraph, but whatever... whos counting


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5846787 - 07/11/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
So many already know. This is something you must learn with experience. No one can just tell you. This is why you need an open mind with Salvia, truly an amazing spirit that can teach you so many INCREDIBLE things.




What? So incredible that you cannot even describe them? I have had incredible insights on shrooms and I can at least make a feeble attempt to say what happened.

You know what I think. I think you are just taking a stance.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846817 - 07/11/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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MoeRon said:
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EquilibriuM said:
So many already know. This is something you must learn with experience. No one can just tell you. This is why you need an open mind with Salvia, truly an amazing spirit that can teach you so many INCREDIBLE things.




What? So incredible that you cannot even describe them? I have had incredible insights on shrooms and I can at least make a feeble attempt to say what happened.

You know what I think. I think you are just taking a stance.




Evey moment lives on as its own existence forever. The moments you share and the energy you put into them will go on and that piece of you is stuck in that moment for eternity.


The bardo beings are some kind of gate keeper entities before the next life. They are massive colorful infinitely connected translucent light entities and time exists much differently for them.

Given the proper circumstances, Salvia will allow another "alien" being to interact with us. Only harmless interactions are allowed. All users earth bound or otherwise, must be in a calm relaxed positive mindset for this to occur.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5846844 - 07/11/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

EquilibriuM said:
Evey moment lives on as its own existence forever. The moments you share and the energy you put into them will go on and that piece of you is stuck in that moment for eternity.

The bardo beings are some kind of gate keeper entities before the next life. They are massive colorful infinitely connected translucent light entities and time exists much differently for them.

Given the proper circumstances, Salvia will allow another "alien" being to interact with us. Only harmless interactions are allowed. All users earth bound or otherwise, must be in a calm relaxed positive mindset for this to occur.




....back away...slowly... :runaway:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846859 - 07/11/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

is ignorance bliss?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: demiu5]
    #5846865 - 07/11/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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demius said:
is ignorance bliss?




you tell me


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846883 - 07/11/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

or you could just answer the question... :rolleyes:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: demiu5]
    #5846914 - 07/11/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

it is a good idea to back away when people are getting too deep.
really
and
he does not like it
and it is a good idea to back away from that too.
both fantasies and preferences are personal and
really hard to argue with.
look at
dubbya!
he believes what? he likes what? who voted for that doofus?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: demiu5]
    #5846923 - 07/11/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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demius said:
or you could just answer the question... :rolleyes:




i wouldnt know the answer.


Edited by Flop Johnson (07/11/06 01:09 PM)


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