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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846256 - 07/11/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Not a masochist.. I enjoy the experience because I want to understand it. Salvia is by no means fun for me either. Nor many other people. But its not done for fun now is it. Its for exploring your own mind. Or at least the boundaries of what our brains can comprehend.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: MustNotBe]
    #5846260 - 07/11/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Cool, maybe I should jump out a plane without a parachute to see how frightened I can make my brain. Maybe I can comprehend fear in my brain right about the time I hit the pavement. Seems about as productive as salvia.

Some areas of your mind aren't really necessary to explore. I think salvia takes you to one of those areas.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846311 - 07/11/06 10:12 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I think people that like salvia are just a different breed. Kind of like masochists or something.




We are masochists for repeating ourselves over and over in threads like these :evil:

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Recently my friends and I bought four deals of 30x salvia (I don't know how much comes in each container). (...)
My first time, big rip from PHX and held it in for as long as I could. Now. . . I have had good trips, and I have had bad trips, but this was terrifying. I was doing it at my friends house, he has a lot of mirrors in this back room and xmas lights while we were listening to Pink Floyd - Echoes. I shit you not - I felt as though I had wandered into an evil fun-house, complete with mirrors scary people. I looked at all of my friends and they were laughing, and for some reason I thought they were all plotting to chop me up and eat me. It also sounded like circus music but it was all demented and out of tune. It ended quickly, but it still sucked. Salvia ruined the song Echoes for me. Now whenever I get high or trip to that song I just get a re-surgance of those memories. It also makes me really nervous to try LSD, because I heard salvia is like taking LSD for thirty seconds. And if LSD is anything like it I don't want to do it at all.




You took too much.

To give you an idea: one gram of Salvia 30x is less than one thimble-full. A *good dose* thereof is 6.7 miligrams. You heard me right, that is only 1/150 part of less than a thimblefull. Me personally, with my full 300lbs and veteran experience, would probably have taken 250-500 times less than what you can fit into a thimble.

If you say it's evil to sell extracts that strong without ample warning then I fully agree with you. It is ridiculous to sell salvia extracts that are stronger, weight for weight, than street drugs.
But they do, and you took way too much. How many of your doses could you fit into a thimble?

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How on earth did I not prepare/respect this drug?
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1. NOT at a party.
2. With several of my best friends.
3. In a safe and comfortable place
4. Listening to my favorite tripping song in the world.
5. Took 1 hit




6. Did not thoroughly study the material
7. Did not weigh the sample nor the dose
8. Took a whopping overdose
9. Blames the drug rather than himself for his misfortune
10. Calls for illegalisation, thus for criminalisation of some posters here.

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I have had good trips, and I have had bad trips, but this was terrifying.




Umm I don't think you had bad trips close to the extent that is possible, because even a small dose of mushrooms can take you as far up Shit Creek as Salvia got you. And you got flashbacks (song) to prove it, so even medically we can speak of an OD here. You took a great blow mentally, and are in the recovering stage. This takes time.

I wish your misadventure had been prevented, which it so easily could. Now you're sitting there facing the consequences.
Just say know.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846343 - 07/11/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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MoeRon said:
Cool, maybe I should jump out a plane without a parachute to see how frightened I can make my brain. Maybe I can comprehend fear in my brain right about the time I hit the pavement. Seems about as productive as salvia.

Some areas of your mind aren't really necessary to explore. I think salvia takes you to one of those areas.




I'm not afraid of Salvia. You are.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5846382 - 07/11/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I never heard that Floyd song. But after listening to it. It sounds like it'd make me uncomfortable on anything.

Just very eerie and confusing.

I believe Pink Floyd just made stuff to trip the hell out of people sometimes.

But 30x LAWLS. That's like reading some1 saying "I took 10 grams dried my first time and was just not enjoying it"


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5846405 - 07/11/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

haha.. 30x for a first time user, and it was too powerful?

you think?  :lol:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5846430 - 07/11/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Salvia sucks! Give me all the history and science you want on it, it's not that cool! I've done it several times since then and it is not a good drug.

From what I can tell half of people like it and half of people don't. So I guess you must experience something different than we do, because if you experienced what I do you would understand.

I just think it is funny that you cannot say one negative thing about salvia without people getting defensive - it's not that cool bottomline.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Asante]
    #5846464 - 07/11/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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6. Did not thoroughly study the material
7. Did not weigh the sample nor the dose
8. Took a whopping overdose
9. Blames the drug rather than himself for his misfortune
10. Calls for illegalisation, thus for criminalisation of some posters here.




I studied the material fine, the store had 10x, 30x, and 60x. I bought the 30x cause it was almost the same price and it was in the middle in terms of available potency.

And did not weigh/sample the dose??? sorry I dont have a microscope or a scale that measures in the 1/100ths of a gram. Maybe I should just do what everyone says to do instead which is load a tiny bowl and smoke it!

I blame the drug because it does not interact with me well, as it also reacts negatively with lots of other people.

Lastly, I repealed the statement that it should be illegal, so finish reading all the posts before you reply.

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I have had good trips, and I have had bad trips, but this was terrifying.




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Umm I don't think you had bad trips close to the extent that is possible, because even a small dose of mushrooms can take you as far up Shit Creek as Salvia got you. And you got flashbacks (song) to prove it, so even medically we can speak of an OD here. You took a great blow mentally, and are in the recovering stage. This takes time.





YOU obviously haven't had a bad trip on salvia. I have tripped bad on shrooms for sure and it was nothing even slightly comparable to this experience. Bad Shroom trip was more of an introspective depressive suicidal type experiences. I literally thought I was going to die when I was smoking salvia, that shit is not even comparable, and for someone who was just preaching the diversity of the drug from others, you sure are quick to compare them again.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846545 - 07/11/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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And did not weigh/sample the dose??? sorry I dont have a microscope or a scale that measures in the 1/100ths of a gram. Maybe I should just do what everyone says to do instead which is load a tiny bowl and smoke it!




Wow. How could I be so dumb to suggest that you should weigh a drug which is active in a several-microgram dosage. Silly me.
The tiniest bowls I know of pack 40mg. You can use this for 10x but its waaay too much for 30x

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I studied the material fine, the store had 10x, 30x, and 60x. I bought the 30x cause it was almost the same price and it was in the middle in terms of available potency.




Contradictio in termis.
Being a n00b and informed you would have gone for 10x and not even packed a bowl with that. Instead you took 30x and did.

THIS is where you get your Salvia facts! If you didnt study that site, you didnt study Salvia, period.

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YOU obviously haven't had a bad trip on salvia. I have tripped bad on shrooms for sure and it was nothing even slightly comparable to this experience.




I've had both.

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I literally thought I was going to die when I was smoking salvia




Thats the No 1 fear in bad trips with ANY psychedelic. Fear of death is my standard bad-trip fear no matter what the drug. Having almost died in real life I can tell you that the fear of death that you can get from one gram of mushrooms is every bit as intense as the fear of death you can get on the Intensive Care Unit when you have to make peace with death, while your heart keeps failing. It is the exact same fear and it is just as intense.

These fears are THE REAL THING, independent of which psychedelic you use.

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for someone who was just preaching the diversity of the drug from others, you sure are quick to compare them again.




That is because they have overlap. A bad trip on a small amount of any psychedelic can be every bit as intense and severe as the one you had on salvia, in fact they are likely to be worse because Salvia lasts 4-6 minutes and Shrooms last 4-6 hours.

There is no inbuilt safety against these kinds of fears, you have to do battle with your Demons alone.

The recurrences/vivid memories of the unpleasantness when you hear the song are indeed flashbacks. Flashbacks can happen because of any psychedelic or other unusually intense emotional state.

Don't worry, I know my shit :thumbup:
Now its a matter to get you out of yours and that starts by realizing you took way too much.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Asante]
    #5846592 - 07/11/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Gah, I don't have the energy. I can't win with you people. that's right..."you people" :grin:.

I know that you know your shit Wiccan_Seeker, that is not in question, I'm just saying as a point of personal preferance that salvia is not enjoyable nor will it ever be no matter the dose, at least to me. Which is fine because other drugs such as SHROOMS are WAY better.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846616 - 07/11/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Salvia sucks! Give me all the history and science you want on it, it's not that cool!

it's not that cool bottomline.




Thats your problem. Salvia isn't "cool" You are looking for something "cool" of course you wont like Salvia. Salvia is not something "cool" Salvia is a whole world away from "cool." "Cool" is not something Salvia knows or cares about. Salvia cares about sacred knowledge, energy, and healing. Cool or uncool is not even part of the equation.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5846629 - 07/11/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
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MoeRon said:
Salvia sucks! Give me all the history and science you want on it, it's not that cool!

it's not that cool bottomline.




Thats your problem. Salvia isn't "cool" You are looking for something "cool" of course you wont like Salvia. Salvia is not something "cool" Salvia is a whole world away from "cool." "Cool" is not something Salvia knows or cares about. Salvia cares about sacred knowledge, energy, and healing. Cool or uncool is not even part of the equation.




JEEZUS.

I know that salvia is not a party drug

okay, lets translate "cool"

cool = a rewarding psychedelic experience, that while it has both ups and downs is a enlightening experience because of the active effect it had on my consiousness

salvia = UN-cool


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846650 - 07/11/06 11:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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MoeRon said:
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EquilibriuM said:
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MoeRon said:
Salvia sucks! Give me all the history and science you want on it, it's not that cool!

it's not that cool bottomline.




Thats your problem. Salvia isn't "cool" You are looking for something "cool" of course you wont like Salvia. Salvia is not something "cool" Salvia is a whole world away from "cool." "Cool" is not something Salvia knows or cares about. Salvia cares about sacred knowledge, energy, and healing. Cool or uncool is not even part of the equation.




JEEZUS.

I know that salvia is not a party drug

okay, lets translate "cool"

cool = a rewarding psychedelic experience, that while it has both ups and downs is a enlightening experience because of the active effect it had on my consiousness

salvia = UN-cool




Cool - a human word for things they enjoy

Salvia - A non-human entity capable of teaching great wisdom and revealing ancient knowledge.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5846654 - 07/11/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Salvia - A non-human entity capable of teaching great wisdom and revealing ancient knowledge.




It's a f*ing plant.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846658 - 07/11/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)





JEEZUS.

I know that salvia is not a party drug

okay, lets translate "cool"

cool = a rewarding psychedelic experience, that while it has both ups and downs is a enlightening experience because of the active effect it had on my consiousness

salvia = UN-cool


I don't think anyone is taking issue with your preference for other psychedelics over salvia.  Personally, I don't think you're mentally ready for salvia to reveal its full potential to you, so it's good that you've chosen to stay away.

I personally am kind of offended by your grouping salvia users into a class of people who are somehow "less right" than other psychedelic users.  You contend that salvia takes you to parts of your consciousness that no one should enter.  I ask a simple question to you: Who are you to know what parts of her/his own consciousness a human being should enter?  What makes one altered state of consciousness "better" than another if the both reflect truths about the nature of consciousness?

All humans have deep, dark chasms in their uconscious minds, often places that they would rather pretend don't exist; most shy away from exploring them.  When you de-pathologize the psyche, and realize that the deepest essence of human consciousness is Good and Beautiful, not Depraved Axe-Murderer, Sadomasochist, etc., you can start to look at the darker places, the sexual-scatological, the gory, the fear of death and traumatic reliving of birth, and through them uncover the Light.  This, I think, is the essence of the Psychedelic Experience, and salvia has been very benificial to me on my spiritual path.

To each his own.  :heart:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Lion]
    #5846675 - 07/11/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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bug said:
I don't think anyone is taking issue with your preference for other psychedelics over salvia.  Personally, I don't think you're mentally ready for salvia to reveal its full potential to you, so it's good that you've chosen to stay away.

I personally am kind of offended be your grouping of salvia users into a class of people who are somehow "less right" than other psychedelic users.  You contend that salvia takes you to parts of your consciousness that no one should enter.  I ask the simple question to you, who are you to know what parts of hiw own consciousness a human being should enter?  What makes one altered state of consciousness "better" than the other if the both reflect truths about the nature of consciousness?

Every human has deep, dark chasms in his own consciousness; most shy away from exploring them.  When you de-pathologize the psyche, and realize that the deepest essence of the human consciousness is Good and Beautiful, not Depraved Axe-Murdered, Sadomasochist, etc., you can start to look at the darker places, and through them uncover the Light.  This, I think, is the essence of the Psychedelic Experience, and salvia has been very benificial to me on my spiritual path.

To each his own.  :heart:




Okay, you got me on oversimplifying consiousness!

However, I never said that you were somehow a "flawed" psychedelic user, just that your preferance or even possibly needs as a user are different from mine.

I do not think that salvia can be rewarding for me no matter the circumstance. You say that I'm not ready for it, I think that you may not be ready for the truth that salvia is nothing more than a plant that puts you in a stupor.

However, that is all based on personal experience so it is biased, but hey.... where would we be without experiences. . . no experiences, no preferences. . . no preferences no conflict.

so whatev. thats my opinion and im sticking to it.

feel free to prove an opinion wrong.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846682 - 07/11/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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MoeRon said:
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EquilibriuM said:
Salvia - A non-human entity capable of teaching great wisdom and revealing ancient knowledge.




It's a f*ing  plant.




Is it?  :evil:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846697 - 07/11/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

you need to learn respect for all living things.

I'm restraining myself from going apeshit on you because it wouldn't be constructive.

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I'm just saying as a point of personal preferance that salvia is not enjoyable nor will it ever be no matter the dose, at least to me.




That's what you should've said in the first place.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5846699 - 07/11/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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MoeRon said:
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EquilibriuM said:
Salvia - A non-human entity capable of teaching great wisdom and revealing ancient knowledge.




It's a f*ing plant.




Well, so are those precious mushrooms you love to stick by. If you don't like salvia then don't smoke salvia. Some people don't like mushrooms, so they shouldn't eat mushrooms. LSD is too mind-fucking for some people, so they shouldn't drop acid. You get my drift? Personal opinion is not reason to, as the previous poster said (can't remember name =/ ) classify people that do enjoy salvia as *masochists* or whatever. But, everything that has been said already should have cleared things up, and it seems like this will go on until you lose interest in talking about how much you hate salvia because you smoked too much.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5846701 - 07/11/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

is it?yeah i think so


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