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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5843167 - 07/10/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Salvia is a beautiful herb  :heart:

Viewpoints like the one you're expressing are the reasons drugs like LSD and psilocybin were demonized in the '60s and remain so today.  No matter how powerful your own experience with a psychedelic, it does not represent even 1% of the complete spectrum of that substance's possible effects.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5843170 - 07/10/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i fuckin love that song. prabably my fav. by pink floyd...sucks for you!


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: kora]
    #5843174 - 07/10/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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kora said:
i fuckin love that song. prabably my fav. by pink floyd...sucks for you!




I KNOW!!

It was one of my f'ing favorites


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5843193 - 07/10/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Don't get all hung up on it. I had some trips where Echoes almost scared the shit out of me. I thought it was gonna haunt me. You know what...it didn't. There is nothing to fear except fear itself, dude.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: kake]
    #5843197 - 07/10/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It should be noted that Pink Floyd is exceptionally awesome on psychedelics for a reason. That reason? Only experience has the answer.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5843196 - 07/10/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Cars are only good for wrecking, thats why I dont drive.





:lol: fair enough :smile:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: kake]
    #5843246 - 07/10/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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kake said:
Don't get all hung up on it. I had some trips where Echoes almost scared the shit out of me. I thought it was gonna haunt me. You know what...it didn't. There is nothing to fear except fear itself, dude.




Hell I guess youre right, I may not like salvia, but i'll be a monkey's uncle if Pink Floyd gets grouped into this dislike too.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5843247 - 07/10/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

After trying salvia 20x at least 4 times I determined it simply wasn't for me. At first it made me feel like I was wrapped in crinkly tin foil and was pulled to the left downside. As it wears off, it feels like I have a thick layer of vaseline on my face that I try desperately to wipe off.

Not saying it sucks for everyone, not saying it should be illegal, but no more for me.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Left Nut City]
    #5843457 - 07/10/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Sally is a close friend of swims,and has had nothing but good journeys together. Yes she gave swim a scare here and there but for good reasons. Respect the plant and she will respect you,maybe even embrace you after a while like she has done to swim a few times.
Bottom line RESPECT,there's more to it then a chemical.Were already dreaming.She will show you how small and insignificant this life is.Its nothing in comparison to the whole.
Keep on dreaming. Peace and love,Kija.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5845408 - 07/11/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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MoeRon said:But I would like to know about some "beautiful experiences" that you speak of, because I hear 95% of the time from people that salvia sucks.




Here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5597269#Post5597269

I think that salvia could be similar to death in intensity. Not everyone is prepared for that kind of experience. That doesn't mean that it "fuck up" your mind. I found salvia far less "narcotic" then mushrooms for example.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Kras]
    #5845433 - 07/11/06 12:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well your the dumbass that didn't take the fucking time to research. NOT A PARTY DRUG, thats not too part to understand. Best done alone, dark room, LOW SOOTHING MUSIC and the right dosage. You broke all of those rules and mrs. salvia decided that she should break you.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: jcasias]
    #5845636 - 07/11/06 02:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yea, a points a point, you broke the rules and you ran around the pool, and now just cause you slipped and fell doesnt mean you can blame the floor for being wet. You need to learn about somethings a little more before you take them. And on top of that don't be such a puss about it, it was just a bad trip, but its over and done with, dont let it ruin your one of your favorite songs, and deffinately dont start to hate on certain drugs or the people that use them just because you dont do them or understand why, because as a person who does drugs himself, im sure you hate when bitches rag on you.. So please, spare us, and good luck in the future.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Tomcat23]
    #5845809 - 07/11/06 04:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

salvia and LSD are chalk and cheese.
LSD is a very kind and jovial soul - its never harsh and if it is you can easily talk it around to a pleasant place. But above all LSD offers so much for the creative minded, for the spiritual. I think LSD is like the ultimate psychedelic - it takes you places that other indoles likes Psilocybin only suggest are possible. And all while feeling warm, fuzzy and great.
Salvia is just weird. For me I thought that it didnt offer me much other than confusion and feeling sort of asleep but not - Its strange because something happens and something sorta doesnt - or it happens in ways that are quite different.
But I wouldnt think that salvia if u had a bad experience with it would be ANYTHING like LSD


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5845817 - 07/11/06 04:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I dont think psychedelics work in a spectrum where some are always 'warm and fuzzy' and others are always 'harsh and nasty' - anything can be either in a particular set of circumstances and variables.
I guess with salvia its obviously a tool that cultures have used in the past, but for many its just not a particularly pleasant one. And i guess if its not pleasant for you and doesnt really provide you with anything you are after then who cares - just move on...


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5845831 - 07/11/06 04:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

30x :eek:, no shit you didn't like it, on your first time drinking did you take 30 shots of whiskey all at once? Of course not, that would have sent you into convulsions....right?

No offense, but don't be such a dumbass in the future, and saying that salvia should be illegal is very, very contrary to the spirit of free mental exploration that fuels most everyone on this board.

Its attitudes like yours that made Marijuana, and our other favorite entheogens illegal, if it freaked you out and you didn't like it, O.K., making it illegal for responsible adults, and spiritual seekers is the real crime. And besides the "trip" never brings anything that you didn't already have inside you, so its not "evil".....most likely YOU ARE!!! And that was your problem.

Leave salvia alone on all levels....you don't know shit about her.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: phungi]
    #5845839 - 07/11/06 04:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

WHy does everyone always say that the trip brings out things that are already inside you - im sorry but that is one of the most often repeated lines and it means nothing.
But more to the point how do you or anyone know that psychedelics are mearly bringing out whats already in the subconscious mind? Are they claiming to understand how the subconscious mind works or what it contains?
I dont presume to understand how psychedelics work or what it is that one sees when tripping - particularly on substances like DMT or Salvia.
Im pretty sure our seasoned fore-runners like Terence McKenna didnt think it was all an elaborate creation of the mind constructed with the psychedelic as that catalist.
Im not trying to start shit here, but Im just curious why people always say that. What is their evidence?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5845841 - 07/11/06 04:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

BTW - salvia is scheduled in Australia.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5845923 - 07/11/06 06:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yep... I agree with everyone else. If you did your research first and studied up on trip reports... you might have understood that 30x is far too high for a first timer. Might even be too high for most experienced with it. I know I will never go beyond 20x my self and I have met lady Salvia several times.

Nothing good usally comes from excess. Especially if you aren't experienced enough to handle a heroic dosing.

You think you would love mushrooms if your first time you ate 30 grams?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: jcasias]
    #5846245 - 07/11/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Well your the dumbass that didn't take the fucking time to research. NOT A PARTY DRUG, thats not too part to understand. Best done alone, dark room, LOW SOOTHING MUSIC and the right dosage. You broke all of those rules and mrs. salvia decided that she should break you.




Okay, I did explain this earlier so all of you salvia loyalists wouldn't jump on me for it.

How on earth did I not prepare/respect this drug?

1. NOT at a party.
2. With several of my best friends.
3. In a safe and comfortable place
4. Listening to my favorite tripping song in the world.
5. Took 1 hit

Oh, but it must just be because salvia is such a great drug and I didn't respect it enough. BS! I think people that like salvia are just a different breed. Kind of like masochists or something.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: phungi]
    #5846248 - 07/11/06 09:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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No offense, but don't be such a dumbass in the future...




None taken if you would just read the whole post. . . dumbass.


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