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Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me.
    #5842663 - 07/10/06 02:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Recently my friends and I bought four deals of 30x salvia (I don't know how much comes in each container). I had never tried it before, being somewhat of a snob to it because it was legal.

My first time, big rip from PHX and held it in for as long as I could. Now. . . I have had good trips, and I have had bad trips, but this was terrifying.

I was doing it at my friends house, he has a lot of mirrors in this back room and xmas lights while we were listening to Pink Floyd - Echoes. I shit you not - I felt as though I had wandered into an evil fun-house, complete with mirrors scary people. I looked at all of my friends and they were laughing, and for some reason I thought they were all plotting to chop me up and eat me. It also sounded like circus music but it was all demented and out of tune. It ended quickly, but it still sucked.



Salvia ruined the song Echoes for me. Now whenever I get high or trip to that song I just get a re-surgance of those memories. It also makes me really nervous to try LSD, because I heard salvia is like taking LSD for thirty seconds. And if LSD is anything like it I don't want to do it at all. Salvia should be illegal and shrooms should be sold in stores, just my opinion.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5842683 - 07/10/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Salvia demands respect. You learned this the hard way.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5842684 - 07/10/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I feel lucky for people who can't break through on it. They don't know the horror  :wink:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5842702 - 07/10/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

LSD is nothing like Salvia. Salvia is...weird. Kind of like some psychadellic god just...BACKHANDING you across the back of your head and the trip is the little birds that fly around for 30 seconds or so.

LSD is probably the most amazing experience I've had form anything I've ingested.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5842728 - 07/10/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Do NOT call it a bad drug just because you didn't enjoy it or understand it. You obviously weren't ready for it. Admit your weakness, but don't blame it on the drug.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's all you "MoeRon"s, if you will, that stumble into it looking to get fucked up and have no respect for it that have lead to the outlawing of this wonderful entheogen in my state as well as others.

Further, LSD is nothing like Salvia in my opinion. It is a clean and beautiful experience.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5842754 - 07/10/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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TheMadConductor said:
Yeah, I feel lucky for people who can't break through on it. They don't know the horror  :wink:




word :thumbup:

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Do NOT call it a bad drug just because you didn't enjoy it or understand it. You obviously weren't ready for it. Admit your weakness, but don't blame it on the drug.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's all you "MoeRon"s, if you will, that stumble into it looking to get fucked up and have no respect for it that have lead to the outlawing of this wonderful entheogen in my state as well as others.




No! I admit nothing. Salvia is friggin scary, and I had plenty of respect for it. I'm sure you can have a good experience after repeated use, but I don't care that is an evil plant grown from the devil's loins.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5842764 - 07/10/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

first mistake - doing 30x your first time to pink floyd thinking it would be a "fun" drug

second mistake - doing 30x with people who would laugh at you when you smoke it

third mistake - not doing enough research to realize that LSD is obviously nothing like salvia (unless we are talking 15-20++ hits, and even then, the only thing to be considered even remotely "similar" would be destruction of ego), which you would see quite quickly if you read a little bit about the experiances


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5842792 - 07/10/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, I feel lucky for people who can't break through on it. They don't know the horror  :wink:




word :thumbup:

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Do NOT call it a bad drug just because you didn't enjoy it or understand it. You obviously weren't ready for it. Admit your weakness, but don't blame it on the drug.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's all you "MoeRon"s, if you will, that stumble into it looking to get fucked up and have no respect for it that have lead to the outlawing of this wonderful entheogen in my state as well as others.




No! I admit nothing. Salvia is friggin scary, and I had plenty of respect for it. I'm sure you can have a good experience after repeated use, but I don't care that is an evil plant grown from the devil's loins.




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I had never tried it before, being somewhat of a snob to it because it was legal.





Bullshit.  :grin:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: dubbyah]
    #5842797 - 07/10/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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first mistake - doing 30x your first time to pink floyd thinking it would be a "fun" drug

second mistake - doing 30x with people who would laugh at you when you smoke it

third mistake - not doing enough research to realize that LSD is obviously nothing like salvia (unless we are talking 15-20++ hits, and even then, the only thing to be considered even remotely "similar" would be destruction of ego), which you would see quite quickly if you read a little bit about the experiances




I only use LSD as a way for people to relate that have done LSD. A Salvia trip is sort of like being thrown into the peak of a powerful acid trip.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: dubbyah]
    #5842811 - 07/10/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5842821 - 07/10/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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first mistake - doing 30x your first time to pink floyd thinking it would be a "fun" drug

second mistake - doing 30x with people who would laugh at you when you smoke it

third mistake - not doing enough research to realize that LSD is obviously nothing like salvia (unless we are talking 15-20++ hits, and even then, the only thing to be considered even remotely "similar" would be destruction of ego), which you would see quite quickly if you read a little bit about the experiances




1. I'm not a "psychedelic rookie" and I know they aren't like "fun" drugs. I really did not have any expectations because I find that to be the most enjoyable way to trip.

2. I only thought they were laughing at me, whether they were or not is subject to question, but they were my best friends and I would not feel more comfortable with anyone else in the world. And besides what are they supposed to do if I'm stumbling around mumbling about evil clowns.

3. I only heard that Salvia was similar to LSD after having done it. It's only what someone else said not me.





sorry, none of those directly respond to my statements. you should not have done salvia to music your first time, you should know that salvia is not similar to LSD, regardless of what someone tells you, and doing salvia with more then one person who isnt completely silent and knows how to tripsit is probably foolish.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: dubbyah]
    #5842859 - 07/10/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You have the nerve to say that Salvia, a power plant that has been used properly for thousands of years without any reported negative side effects should be illegal, why? because you didn't like it as a recreational drug. Talk about a self-centered point of view  :foreheadslap: You know some people use these things for more then just getting high? Strange, I know, but also true.


The fact is, Salvia doesn't fuck around. You didn't come correct, you didn't come proper - you got fucked up. Thats the way it goes... Lesson learned?


You know, the Spaniards used to call peyote EVIL and THE DEVIL. They didn't understand it, they were afraid. Sound familiar?


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5842883 - 07/10/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm just sorry all of your brains have been washed by the depraved and evil drug. Mushrooms embody all that is right and just in the world and salvia encompasses all that is wrong and malicious.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5842898 - 07/10/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm just sorry all of your brains have been washed by the depraved and evil drug. Mushrooms embody all that is right and just in the world and salvia encompasses all that is wrong and malicious.




Salvia is just another position of the assemblage point. Nothing evil about it. The evil you have seen was already inside your head. Salvia just did you the favor of bringing it into your conscious mind  :grin:


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5842946 - 07/10/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I never had much of a desire to do Salvia again after a few experiences. Just not my "thing" - people have to understand that the nature of chemicals' effects on your body rely entirely on the chemistry within you body - which varies in everyone ever so slightly. The effect might suck for me and be great for my friend... don't assume that you experience the same effect always.

As for LSD ... it is NOTHING like Salvia, IMO, and any hype you hear in the media about such is just a scare tactic, as they're trying to make it illegal. Personally, I don't see Salvia taking over the streets or posing a threat to ANYTHING any time soon. If we could just start educating people with the truth on these substances then people might think before jumping in head first.

Instead the government keeps people in the dark and provides contradictory and often misleading information, which just makes the problem worse.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5842988 - 07/10/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm just sorry all of your brains have been washed by the depraved and evil drug. Mushrooms embody all that is right and just in the world and salvia encompasses all that is wrong and malicious.




Wow! Just...wow.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: demiu5]
    #5843038 - 07/10/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm just sorry all of your brains have been washed by the depraved and evil drug. Mushrooms embody all that is right and just in the world and salvia encompasses all that is wrong and malicious.




Wow! Just...wow.




Oh good lord. For all of the humorless people out there that was sarcasm.

Duh, salvia should not be illegal. I do personally think that salvia is not that cool, and if you are trying to defend it, its just because you're taking a stance.

Salvia I know is not just for getting "fucked up", but in my opinion that is all it is good for (and not in a good way).


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5843103 - 07/10/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

For me (and I am also experienced) it was the most profound experience. EVERYTHING that happens on hallucinogens don't happen "just because". If many people had such beautiful experiences and you had terrible. YOU are the source of this experience NOT this wonderful plant! Ask yourself WHY it happened to you but not me or anyone else?

Trying to prove how hardcore tripper you are won't give you any respect...


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5843119 - 07/10/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Just because you had one bad experience doesn't mean that every single trip from it is just for getting fucked up in a bad way. That's like getting in a car accident on your first drive and saying that cars are only good for wrecking.


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Re: Salvia is a bad drug. And it scares me. [Re: Kras]
    #5843160 - 07/10/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Trying to prove how hardcore tripper you are won't give you any respect...




Uh, I'm not a hardcore tripper, and i think that people that trip all the time need to get their shit together. Unless their shit is already together then whatever. But I would like to know about some "beautiful experiences" that you speak of, because I hear 95% of the time from people that salvia sucks.

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Just because you had one bad experience doesn't mean that every single trip from it is just for getting fucked up in a bad way. That's like getting in a car accident on your first drive and saying that cars are only good for wrecking.





Cars are only good for wrecking, thats why I dont drive.
And salvia is only good for curling up into a ball for 45 seconds.

AND ALSO

I never said that I did not smoke it more than once, I smoked it several times after my bad experience to try and even it out. However it did not work and I just think that it sucks. Not because I'm so pigheaded that I can't see the beauty of it, just that I have a personal preference not to feel like impending doom.


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