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odd/lame noob question
    #5842218 - 07/10/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry if this is a double-post, I think I screwed up somehow the first time.

Anyway, a buddy of mine gave me a few of his (supposedly)colonized jars because he was moving out of his house and going to Europe. I didn't do anything with the jars at first, so I put them in my attic. This was in May.

My family raises cattle in a feedlot, and I've noticed that soon after a rain, a good crop of inky caps pop up out there. I had the idea today of just mixing the substrate in with the manure. Any chance of this working? Is there an "expiration date" I should have put on those jars? Is there any chance of these old jars having still-active spores in them?

On another idea, would it work at all to "seed" the manure out in the feedlot with commercially obtained spores?

Thanks for your time,
abstract


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Re: odd/lame noob question [Re: abstract]
    #5842245 - 07/10/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Is there an "expiration date" I should have put on those jars? Is there any chance of these old jars having still-active spores in them?




What do the jars look like? If they dried up, got contamed, didnt colonize, or were too wet in your attic they are probably no good.

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On another idea, would it work at all to "seed" the manure out in the feedlot with commercially obtained spores?




The spores would most likely be unable to colonize due to so many contams in the poo, and if its fresh, its too wet and acidic (i think). What you could do would be to take a jar (if colonized and healthy) and spawn to the poo once you leeched, pasturized, and all that.


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Re: odd/lame noob question [Re: abstract]
    #5842283 - 07/10/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

addressing the expiration date of the jars...
there really isnt one per se, but if you kept them in the attic...how insulated is the attic? i couldnt imagine them being very viable if they spent a month and a half in 90-100 degrees of attic goodness.

as for spawning to manure...yea, thats actually one of the best ways to do it.
if they are cows though, id add in a little extra straw to their poo to give the substrate a good structure. also, what you want to do is find the driest patties around, as they'll be properly leached/weathered...rehydrate them and pasteurize them, and THEN spawn your jars to the resulting substrate after it cools.

and no, its not very viable at all to 'seed' a field with commercially obtained spores. sure, ill say its possible, just highly improbable. some good ideas people had (sorry, dont remember names, cant give credit) is a brand new pressurized chemical sprayer..you know, those big yellow ones with a nozzle on it for spraying bugs, weeds, etc?...fill one of those with hundreds of prints, or better yet, liquid culture...and spray that about.

while the above idea might or might not work, i can actually see a beneficial byproduct of doing so...and thats simply introducing lots of mycelium into nature...so it can do its noble deed of decomposing and the nitrogen cycle.


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Re: odd/lame noob question [Re: dysphoria]
    #5843015 - 07/10/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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and no, its not very viable at all to 'seed' a field with commercially obtained spores. sure, ill say its possible, just highly improbable. some good ideas people had (sorry, dont remember names, cant give credit) is a brand new pressurized chemical sprayer..you know, those big yellow ones with a nozzle on it for spraying bugs, weeds, etc?...fill one of those with hundreds of prints, or better yet, liquid culture...and spray that about.





This idea intrigues me, since I actually own a 50 gallon sprayer like that.

Anyway, just to clear something up, I'm not talking about pasture land with various patties laying around. I'm talking about a feedlot, essentially a cattle confinement. There's this part of it we never drive on, about half the size of a basketball court, that's pretty much manure mixed with straw (well, shredded corn stover, essentially the same thing...we use it for bedding). The manure/straw mixture is at least a foot thick.

I went out and picked about 50 inky caps from there one morning, which was maybe 25% of what was out there. There's new ones growing almost every day.

So maybe that could work. Does anyone happen to have a link to that thread?

And, what would be the total timeframe for this method? That stuff will probably get spread over the fields in late October/early November. Anyone got a time estimate on this process?:

Ordering Spores
Spore Delivery
Liquid Culture Manufacture
(assuming an acceptable substrate) Fruiting from Liquid Culture


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Re: odd/lame noob question [Re: abstract]
    #5843755 - 07/10/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Your best bet would be to start a dozen or two jars of PF style cakes with some spores. Then let them colonize. Then blend them up into water, maybe then strain to remove any chunks then load into a backpac sprayer and spray down your field.

You would need some sort of shade though. I don't think they would do well in the direct sun. Otherwise you could spray then disc, cultivate, or till the field a bit.

That's what I'd do. As far as I know nobody had done anything like this on the scale you're talking about. It would be really interesting to see how well it would work. I bet you would get some at least, and if conditions were just right you could get a MASSIVE crop.


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Re: odd/lame noob question [Re: fastfred]
    #5843801 - 07/10/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Not exactly. Mycelium done like that would be hard pressed to survive outdoors. His best bet would be to spawn the cakes to pasteurized manure indoors and once colonize spawn that to a small area of the half basketball court sized enclosure.

You need a good amount of strong mycelium in a small area. I dont think spraying LC all over the place would do anything at all.


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Re: odd/lame noob question [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5844365 - 07/10/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> Not exactly. Mycelium done like that would be hard pressed to survive outdoors.

I wouldn't think so. If it got tilled into some nice moist shit where it would be protected from the sun it should do fine I would think.

I don't think you could colonize enough spawn to do a whole field easily. Without blending it up you'd be using a TON of spawn and at that point it would probably just be easier and more fruitful to just fruit that massive amount of spawn.

Of course, all of this is just theory. I don't think either of us has done anything on this scale. The entire amount of rye spawn that has passed through my hands would only be about the right amount to do less than 1/4 acre. And I've seen a LOT of colonized rye.


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Re: odd/lame noob question [Re: fastfred]
    #5844431 - 07/10/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

hmm...more and less difficult than I thought.

The idea was to have it be totally incognito, like, "I dunno, these odd mushrooms just keep popping up in here," without all the cumbersome apparatai.

I suppose with the plentiful manure and shredded corn stalks I have around, I might opt for creating an outdoor bed in a suitably secluded, shady spot.

Non-cultivation question: why is this forum cutting off the last half of everything I write?


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Re: odd/lame noob question [Re: esdfsfd]
    #5844479 - 07/10/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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