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Offline76degrees
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BRF isn't very good for potency.
    #5841944 - 07/10/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So, Fastfred says that "BRF is not good for potency". Is that true? Why isn't this mentioned in PF Tek? Or any other tek I've read for that matter? Or is he just FOS? If BRF sucks then what should I be using for my cakes?


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: 76degrees]
    #5841953 - 07/10/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: monstermitch]
    #5841960 - 07/10/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

maybe

i did brf and they were the weakest mushrooms ever

so I should blame the spores?

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: Atheist]
    #5841973 - 07/10/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

no.

those same spores done on that same substrate again
could produce wonderful potency.

what you should do is isolate substrains and grow them out.
find the one super substrain that has what you want,
(it could take a hundred tries)
and keep that master culture to grow out from.

every time you use a multispore inoculation and grow you
are rollling the dice in my opinion.

one grow from one multispore start on any substrate
cannot be used to label the characteristics of a strain.
the very next flush could net different results.

edit: if you want to count on results, you have to put in the
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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: monstermitch] * 1
    #5842019 - 07/10/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Same for me, my first grow was BRF and the they were very weak! I eat a little over 1g dried with some friend and don't feel very high. Already get far better trip from same weight street shroom

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    #5842030 - 07/10/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: Yamidude]
    #5842046 - 07/10/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yeah but 1 gram is nothing

i ate like 8 or 9gs of mine, after realizing that an 1/8 wasnt going to be enough

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: wise_gardener]
    #5842047 - 07/10/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've got to agree BRF does little for potency.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: hyphae]
    #5842059 - 07/10/06 11:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

think about it like this:

half of your cake or more is vermiculite.
no potency can be had from verm.

cakes are crappy anyway.
you might find it easier to use grains.

fruiting directly off of rye works very well.
it will work much better than brf/verm.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: monstermitch]
    #5842079 - 07/10/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah but fruiting directly off grain is a horrible waist of good spawn.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5842105 - 07/10/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

once familiar with the idea,
the grain should be used as spawn, I agree.

but to wain people from the pf tek,
they'll have to go one step at a time.

personally I see nothing easier than this:
wbs spawned to poo or whatever into a monotub.

I don't believe the pf tek is the easiest tek at all.
Certainly not with the best results either.

"bulk" doesn't have to be reserved for anyone.
even the part-time hobbiest can use it with ease.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: monstermitch]
    #5842128 - 07/10/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

honestly bulk sounds the easiest to me. That's why i decided to just do almost all bulk instead of even bothering with cakes at all.. I did make a few cakes just for the experience but im doing two monotubs and a few trays in a martha for my first grow.

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: Yamidude]
    #5842157 - 07/10/06 11:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, so I've heard two sides of the story now.. BRF sucks for potency, and Substrate has nothing to do with potency.. Those who say that BRF sucks mainly speak from experience, whereas those who claim substrate's not to blame draw their conclusions more on theory. So far, from what I've seen, there is no real consesus on this issue. I guess I'll find out for myself soon enough.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: monstermitch]
    #5842164 - 07/10/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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personally I see nothing easier than this:
wbs spawned to poo or whatever into a monotub.







I couldnt agree more  :thumbup:

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: monstermitch]
    #5842178 - 07/10/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think I'll give the H-poo/momotub thing a shot. Does anyone have an h-poo tek they reccomend?


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: 76degrees]
    #5842256 - 07/10/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

agars doing da hpoo tek is good if you are doing a small amount of poo. If you want to do allot use a pillowcase method.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: hyphae]
    #5842276 - 07/10/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I've got to agree BRF does little for potency.




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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5842295 - 07/10/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

To develop properly, all living organisms need proper nutrition. A man can live on little more then rice and water and a plant can grow in a crack in the sidewalk but neither will thrive.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5842324 - 07/10/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

meh...since your growing your own mushies...why does potency matter? Oh well if you have to take 6-7 grams of em...its not like you jus had to go pay 40 dollars to get em, you jus had to go pick em off your cakes. Just yesterday, i only had 3.7 grams on me, so me and my roomy split em at 11pm, and i was up til 5am trippin pretty hard. Even got some slight visuals...and mine are from brf.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: unseenat17]
    #5842531 - 07/10/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have good experience with potent mushrooms grown on BRF style 1/2 pint cakes. Check out my old grow. Let me tell ya, had the town trippin for a while... hard.

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: LateForTheFuture]
    #5842803 - 07/10/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

God damn you and your roommate got slight visuals off a half eighth? Those are some pretty shitty shrooms, my entire world is usually patterns and artistic shit, moving around with visuals covering my entire vision, off a half eighth.

I'm praying my BRF cakes are going to get me like that off a half eighth. If not, I'm going with rye.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5843065 - 07/10/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

beatnick, I've never had any visuals off of anything less than 1/8. Are you sure that you're not getting store shrooms laced with acid?

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: BigBrassBed]
    #5843257 - 07/10/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Who in the bloody hell would "lace" store mushrooms with LSD? You'd have to be the stupidest dealer in the world..

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: kristen]
    #5844144 - 07/10/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

by the way there is a major factor in brown rice flour
that can differentiate one batch from the next potency wise dramatically...

that is if the brf was made at home by the grower with a grinder,
or bought off of a store shelf.
who knows how long is has been stored?
this seems to have an effect on potency.
so always make your own brf if you intend to use it.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: kristen]
    #5844262 - 07/10/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Who in the bloody hell would "lace" store mushrooms with LSD? You'd have to be the stupidest dealer in the world..




actually just saw this while perusing another thread that in a study with 800 some samples of mushrooms bought off the streets, about a third of them were found to be inactive mushrooms laced with another drug. its really not all that unrealistic to dilute LSD, soak "inert" mushrooms in the liquid and allow them to dry again, and could be quite profitable from a dealers' perspective in an area where LSD is more common than mushrooms.

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: creamcorn]
    #5844306 - 07/10/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

gotta agree with the old guys on this one....brf sucks. poo straw mix grrrrrrrrrrreeeatttt. one day you will know the difference

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5844461 - 07/10/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've had good experience w/BRF. Shrooms were huge and potentcy was great.

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: Professional]
    #5844469 - 07/10/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Compared to what?


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5845364 - 07/11/06 12:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Based on the varied results, I'd say that it's not the substrate but the substrain, which will change every time you use a new spore print. So, in conclusion, if you have not-so-potent shrooms you can sell them all and make another batch, and continue this until you have a batch of very potent shrooms and try to continue that strain/method to continue the process.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: beatnicknick] * 1
    #5845410 - 07/11/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

dont sell drugs

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: Atheist]
    #5845566 - 07/11/06 01:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: Yamidude]
    #5845629 - 07/11/06 02:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

>brf sucks. poo straw mix grrrrrrrrrrreeeatttt. one day you will know the difference

oh...no...i have a friend thats willing to mess with hpoo and straw since he lives in the country...and they are great...no doubt. But i have no problem eatin 5 grams to get the same trip you have with 2-3 grams. With 12 cakes going...i have too much excess anyways. My shrooms jus keep buildin up and up and i dont have to deal with poo.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: unseenat17]
    #5845784 - 07/11/06 03:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

True, if it's only that little of a difference and you have a shit load of shrooms anyway, I guess potency really isn't that important unless you're growing bulk (because you're obviously selling)


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5845799 - 07/11/06 04:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ive recently had my first brf cakes fruit, and ive come to find that the resulting mushrooms, though small in stature and prolific in numbers, are very much more potent by mass than almost any ive gotten anywhere else. golden teacher spores101. quite happy with these results.

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: 4taylor2made0]
    #5845960 - 07/11/06 06:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, I wish I never read this post. I'm about to start my first cultivation and had decided to use BRF after reading around on a few Teks and lurking in the forums.

I suppose I'll start with cakes and in the mean time start reading up on casing, since that seems to be the way to go, with h poo.

I live in the country and I can't find horse poo anywhere, pretty lame.

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: stormhalter]
    #5845985 - 07/11/06 07:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Two basic words for ptency:

grain, poo


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: stormhalter]
    #5846002 - 07/11/06 07:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I'm starting to see that as I read on. I'm going to start with PF Cakes first though, and move up progressively. (:

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: stormhalter]
    #5846161 - 07/11/06 09:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

cakes are great to start with. Just want to make that clear.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5846305 - 07/11/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

PF Cakes work great for colonizing poo.
I luv how those cakes turned into little chunks work as innoc points all over the shyt.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: AngeloWish]
    #5846366 - 07/11/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

For the record, THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT POTENCY IS SUBSTRATE RELATED. Sorry for the caps, but the disinformation in this thread makes me want to scream. What right do people who have only made a few grows have to make such a claim? Do you see any old timers spouting such nonesense?

Some strains turn out to be bunk. That is a fact. By 'strain', I mean the isolate that you end up with from multispore inoculation, not some particular vendor named strain. If a newbie grows on brf and gets a bunk strain, he tells everyone that brf is crap. If he grows again on horse manure and gets a good isolate, he tells everyone that horse manure rules. Get a grip people.

Size and substrate material will affect the total yield of your crop. Some very experienced growers around here use nothing but brf cakes for one reason. They work. Personally, I prefer horse manure, but it's not for the potency, but the yield and ease. If you use a substrate that provides basic food, your mycelium will do the rest. If I see another brf sucks thread, I think I'll puke.
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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5846427 - 07/11/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have had greast success with casing brf cakes.... RR is right, MS inoculation is a crapshoot.

here is my success with 10 Brf cakes, they were as potent as hell... Treasure Coast



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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: Oatman2000]
    #5846466 - 07/11/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

sorry im so noob u_u


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: 76degrees]
    #5846559 - 07/11/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

comparing shrooms off brf/verm cakes to shrooms grown off bulk substrates...

isn't like comparing mexican dirt weed to top quality kind buds!~


Listen to what RR had to say in this thread...

If you are working with a good quality isolate...
it really won't matter what kind of substrate you are working with...
potency wise!~


I personally think people are trying to come up with a way to grow more potent shrooms so they don't have to take so much.
Lets face it...taking 5 dry grams or more of Cubensis isn't very fun!~
Trying to increase the potency of a Cubensis to the potency of Psilocybe cyanescens...for example.
Is never gonna happen!~
If you want more potent shrooms...grow some of the other more potent species.

Just my take on things.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: Roadkill]
    #5846603 - 07/11/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Observation, I've grown out a "substrain" with BRF that were not only weak but not meaty at all once these cakes were depleted the spent cakes went into the poo pile where they produced some very meaty as well as potent shrooms, I believe nitrogen content does contribute to potency as well as tryptophan content. I hear ya RR and Road but in my eyes this isn't a closed case yet.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: hyphae]
    #5846983 - 07/11/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Agreed. However, we also know there can be huge differences in potency from flush to flush. It's hard to say what makes them more (or less) potent unless the same phenomena occur time after time.
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    #5846994 - 07/11/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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    #5847175 - 07/11/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: ralphster44]
    #5847268 - 07/11/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hey, here's a question I have after reading all of this BRF hpoo back and forth. If you modify the PF tek to include hpoo in the substrate mix, would you get larger fruit/yields from cakes? Say you put two parts verm, one part honey water, .5 part BRF and .5 part hpoo..


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5847270 - 07/11/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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...What right do people who have only made a few grows have to make such a claim? Do you see any old timers spouting such nonesense?...
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Hey, uh, just for the record RR (with all due respect) it was Fastfred who told me BRF doesn't do much for potency. You would have known that if you read my initial post. I thought he was an old timer? It says "old hand" under his handle.

And from reading all of the responses here, I am no longer convinced that BRF is the cause of impotent shrooms. I will report back once I have tried some from this first grow.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: 76degrees]
    #5890449 - 07/23/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, I tried some of my mushrooms grown on BRF and I've got to say I was not that impressed. I don't have a scale so I cant say for sure how mush I consumed. The last time I tripped was a few years ago and I didn't eat but maybe two or three fresh but tripped really hard. This time, I probably ate twice that in fresh, plus a few dry ones because I wanted an "Experience". So basically, I ate some - sat down to watch The Matrix and yeah I was feeling it, but it was very subtle. Not intense. Just mild at best. So... This time around, I am changing a few things but I just thought that I should say that based on my first grow with BRF, I might believe some of the rumours. But, I am willing to give it another try and report back in another month.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: 76degrees]
    #5891180 - 07/23/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So would there be no way in raising the potency in a BRF cake?

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: FatPed]
    #5891443 - 07/23/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Put a bunch of rye in it.

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