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Offline76degrees
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BRF isn't very good for potency.
    #5841944 - 07/10/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

So, Fastfred says that "BRF is not good for potency". Is that true? Why isn't this mentioned in PF Tek? Or any other tek I've read for that matter? Or is he just FOS? If BRF sucks then what should I be using for my cakes?


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: 76degrees]
    #5841953 - 07/10/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: monstermitch]
    #5841960 - 07/10/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

maybe

i did brf and they were the weakest mushrooms ever

so I should blame the spores?


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: Atheist]
    #5841973 - 07/10/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

no.

those same spores done on that same substrate again
could produce wonderful potency.

what you should do is isolate substrains and grow them out.
find the one super substrain that has what you want,
(it could take a hundred tries)
and keep that master culture to grow out from.

every time you use a multispore inoculation and grow you
are rollling the dice in my opinion.

one grow from one multispore start on any substrate
cannot be used to label the characteristics of a strain.
the very next flush could net different results.

edit: if you want to count on results, you have to put in the
work to ensure those results. It takes time and work, lots of it.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: monstermitch] * 1
    #5842019 - 07/10/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Same for me, my first grow was BRF and the they were very weak! I eat a little over 1g dried with some friend and don't feel very high. Already get far better trip from same weight street shroom


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. *DELETED* [Re: wise_gardener]
    #5842030 - 07/10/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: Yamidude]
    #5842046 - 07/10/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yeah but 1 gram is nothing

i ate like 8 or 9gs of mine, after realizing that an 1/8 wasnt going to be enough


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: wise_gardener]
    #5842047 - 07/10/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I've got to agree BRF does little for potency.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: hyphae]
    #5842059 - 07/10/06 11:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

think about it like this:

half of your cake or more is vermiculite.
no potency can be had from verm.

cakes are crappy anyway.
you might find it easier to use grains.

fruiting directly off of rye works very well.
it will work much better than brf/verm.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: monstermitch]
    #5842079 - 07/10/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah but fruiting directly off grain is a horrible waist of good spawn.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5842105 - 07/10/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

once familiar with the idea,
the grain should be used as spawn, I agree.

but to wain people from the pf tek,
they'll have to go one step at a time.

personally I see nothing easier than this:
wbs spawned to poo or whatever into a monotub.

I don't believe the pf tek is the easiest tek at all.
Certainly not with the best results either.

"bulk" doesn't have to be reserved for anyone.
even the part-time hobbiest can use it with ease.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: monstermitch]
    #5842128 - 07/10/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

honestly bulk sounds the easiest to me. That's why i decided to just do almost all bulk instead of even bothering with cakes at all.. I did make a few cakes just for the experience but im doing two monotubs and a few trays in a martha for my first grow.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: Yamidude]
    #5842157 - 07/10/06 11:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, so I've heard two sides of the story now.. BRF sucks for potency, and Substrate has nothing to do with potency.. Those who say that BRF sucks mainly speak from experience, whereas those who claim substrate's not to blame draw their conclusions more on theory. So far, from what I've seen, there is no real consesus on this issue. I guess I'll find out for myself soon enough.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: monstermitch]
    #5842164 - 07/10/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

monstermitch said:


personally I see nothing easier than this:
wbs spawned to poo or whatever into a monotub.







I couldnt agree more  :thumbup:


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Offline76degrees
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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: monstermitch]
    #5842178 - 07/10/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think I'll give the H-poo/momotub thing a shot. Does anyone have an h-poo tek they reccomend?


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: 76degrees]
    #5842256 - 07/10/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

agars doing da hpoo tek is good if you are doing a small amount of poo. If you want to do allot use a pillowcase method.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: hyphae]
    #5842276 - 07/10/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

hyphae said:
I've got to agree BRF does little for potency.




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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5842295 - 07/10/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

To develop properly, all living organisms need proper nutrition. A man can live on little more then rice and water and a plant can grow in a crack in the sidewalk but neither will thrive.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5842324 - 07/10/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

meh...since your growing your own mushies...why does potency matter? Oh well if you have to take 6-7 grams of em...its not like you jus had to go pay 40 dollars to get em, you jus had to go pick em off your cakes. Just yesterday, i only had 3.7 grams on me, so me and my roomy split em at 11pm, and i was up til 5am trippin pretty hard. Even got some slight visuals...and mine are from brf.


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Re: BRF isn't very good for potency. [Re: unseenat17]
    #5842531 - 07/10/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have good experience with potent mushrooms grown on BRF style 1/2 pint cakes. Check out my old grow. Let me tell ya, had the town trippin for a while... hard.


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