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Re: Constitutional rights of sex offenders vs. child safety [Re: Catalysis]
    #5844135 - 07/10/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

though i'm opposed to this laws as it stands, i agree with everything you said. i think actual child rapists are categorically one of the most dangerous kinds of ex con there can be. under the right circumstances, i think just about anyone could commit murder. i wouldn't say the same thing about raping a child. a person who commits a murder or robbery is usually driven by things other than the sort of persistant mental illness that drives someone to rape a child.

i wouldn't say "once a murderer, always a murderer" or even "once a rapist, always a rapist", but "once a child rapist, always a child rapist"... that i think has a bit of truth to it. these people have very serious problems. i don't think they can be rehabilitated.

still, the sentencing judges and parole agencies should be the ones dealing with that. adding even more restrictions to those who have completed their time and are out of the system continues a practice that is already out of hand. i'm also talking strictly about people who commit sex crimes involving children, not adolescents. the law currently makes little distinction in who gets labelled a sex offender.


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Re: Constitutional rights of sex offenders vs. child safety [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5844261 - 07/10/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"Sexual Offenders are people too, but you can't deny the facts which is that most of them are likely to repeat their actions, and you can't blame a community for not wanting one of their own to be the next victim."

There are some sex offenders who will repeat their actions regularly and often, but there are many who will never repeat their actions. To say that MOST are LIKELY to repeat their actions is simply not the case. It is largely a myth perpetuated by the media, states, etc. and not based in reality. And, no, one can't blame people for not wanting to be victimized but is passing and upholding unconstitutional legislation prohibiting some people the right to live where they want to the proper direction to take in reducing future sex offenses? Will the law prevent a sex offender from reoffending or just move him elsewhere? There is even potential for this law to create situations involving stress and financial hardship for the offender that will make him/her MORE likely to reoffend, not less.


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Re: Constitutional rights of sex offenders vs. child safety [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5844422 - 07/10/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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To say that MOST are LIKELY to repeat their actions is simply not the case.




Well, you are correct about that. To be precise..



So 28.5% of sex offenders were previously arrested for a sex offense and 78.5%(!) had an arrest for a crime.

14% were convicted and this does not count what they are currently being released for.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/rsorp94.pdf


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Re: Constitutional rights of sex offenders vs. child safety [Re: Catalysis]
    #5844434 - 07/10/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Good link and from the DOJ!


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Re: Constitutional rights of sex offenders vs. child safety [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5844481 - 07/10/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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LunarEclipse said:
Good link and from the DOJ!




Are you saying there is something wrong with the study? I don't get it.


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Re: Constitutional rights of sex offenders vs. child safety [Re: Catalysis]
    #5844596 - 07/10/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"Are you saying there is something wrong with the study? I don't get it."

I don't get your not getting it. How did you get from my saying "Good link. And from the DOJ" that I am saying there is something wrong with the study when it agrees with my previous post and is from the top cop?


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Re: Constitutional rights of sex offenders vs. child safety [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5844650 - 07/10/06 10:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Oh, you were talking about a myth perpetrated by the states and how unconstitutional legislation is being passed and upheld so I didn't think you would be in agreement with a recidivism study used as a basis for passing and upholding those laws. While its true that most (>50%) of rapists don't repeat the crime, it is clear that many do.


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Re: Constitutional rights of sex offenders vs. child safety [Re: Catalysis]
    #5844780 - 07/10/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"Oh, you were talking about a myth perpetrated by the states and how unconstitutional legislation is being passed and upheld so I didn't think you would be in agreement with a recidivism study used as a basis for passing and upholding those laws. While its true that most (>50%) of rapists don't repeat the crime, it is clear that many do."

I am not sure where you are drawing the connection between this particular recidivism study and using it as a basis for passing and upholding new sex offender laws. In fact, the statistics you posted from the DOJ show the actual recidivism rate for sex offenders is far less than public perception of extremely high recidivism rates which is reinforced by the media, politicians etc. This is in line with what I had stated earlier. Or am I missing something?


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Re: Constitutional rights of sex offenders vs. child safety [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5969131 - 08/16/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

wow. I feel for them. That's a fat load of bullshit. In my opinion the root of the problem is obviously that Wendy is not really a "sex offender" in any way. The sex that earned her that label is pretty normal, not a problem, and shouldn't be illegal. I think here in NJ it's not illegal since they were so close in age. Even 18-16 is not necessarily illegal I think? I'm foggy but we learned that there's some leeway in the law when we got to college.


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Re: Constitutional rights of sex offenders vs. child safety [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5969874 - 08/16/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Any form of having sex with children is totally relative to the culture, why it is wrong is entirely up to that culture. Some countries, 15 is legal, other countries it will get you prison time. People in the US seem to be pretty eager to sacrifice their freedom for security though, fucking cowards.


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Re: Constitutional rights of sex offenders vs. child safety [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5969889 - 08/16/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I got an idea twiggy. You fuck with my daughter and we can agree to leave the law out of it entirely. She'll never have to worry about you again, that's for sure.


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