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Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity
    #5841551 - 07/10/06 06:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Guys, hello

It's thanks to this forum if i came to know the idea of technological singularity.
But i've also come to the conclusion that perhaps we (as a community) are overlooking it, or discarding it in favour of older ideas.
I mean, this whole Technological Singularity idea... that's it! Isn't that what we were looking for?
I have published a post on my blog about this, in case you interested.
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What do you think?

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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: cupevampe]
    #5841630 - 07/10/06 08:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i don't think i want to enter the matrix anymore than I already have unless it's programmers change.

but imagine if the internet became conscious......


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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: leery11]
    #5841639 - 07/10/06 08:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

And that's exactly the point.
I think it's very likely to happen.

Sometime while i use the internet, for a millisecond there, I expect to be able to download a real 3d object from it. Sometime while i browse a real book, the command "Find" comes to my mind, as I would use it on my macintosh.
It's crazy but... hei I think we're almost ready! Virtual, real, what's reality... new philosophical heights. It will be fun.


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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: cupevampe]
    #5844524 - 07/10/06 09:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

While I consider myself a Transhumanist, Kurzweil's idea of the Technological Singularity being predictable seems improbable to me. Simply because the accumulation of knowledge has been steadily accelerating, doesn't mean it will continue to do so in a predictable manner. Technological innovation isn't obligated to follow an exponential graph. We may encounter unforeseen obstacles that slow the rate of technological progression.


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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5845585 - 07/11/06 02:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, like me not getting this at all. :smile:


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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5845622 - 07/11/06 02:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
While I consider myself a Transhumanist, Kurzweil's idea of the Technological Singularity being predictable seems improbable to me. Simply because the accumulation of knowledge has been steadily accelerating, doesn't mean it will continue to do so in a predictable manner. Technological innovation isn't obligated to follow an exponential graph. We may encounter unforeseen obstacles that slow the rate of technological progression.




why don't you read "the coming of the singularity" and his many graphs will show that even from a long term or a short term diagnosis of technological evolution that the singularity is near without a doubt.

Kurzweil has not been wrong about a single thing since the 80's, why doubt him now?


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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5845673 - 07/11/06 02:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i had this idea like 4 years ago. except mine is better because i take into account aliens and psionics.

i figure at some point soon, there will probably be a techonlogical links to the other side(s)

wait a second, that isn't my idea at all, i've been watching that shit on TV since i was born....

also very soon it will be techonologically possible to link minds and artifically share indentity/information. this will be followed by a very fast hive mind sort of effect. i figure that emotion will finally be balanced out when we are all one. also hopefully destructive impulses will also balance out.

we'll probably have to fight a rediculous war, hive mind vs purists, but we will surly defeat them.


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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5845819 - 07/11/06 04:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:
why don't you read "the coming of the singularity" and his many graphs will show that even from a long term or a short term diagnosis of technological evolution that the singularity is near without a doubt.

Kurzweil has not been wrong about a single thing since the 80's, why doubt him now?




That is true, Kurzweil has been very consistent at predicting technological progress through the years.
I recommend everyone to read his latest book, the singularity is near. it is very cool, very poignant.


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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: cupevampe]
    #5845967 - 07/11/06 07:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5846044 - 07/11/06 07:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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truekimbo2 said:
i had this idea like 4 years ago. except mine is better because i take into account aliens and psionics.

i figure at some point soon, there will probably be a techonlogical links to the other side(s)

wait a second, that isn't my idea at all, i've been watching that shit on TV since i was born....

also very soon it will be techonologically possible to link minds and artifically share indentity/information. this will be followed by a very fast hive mind sort of effect. i figure that emotion will finally be balanced out when we are all one. also hopefully destructive impulses will also balance out.

we'll probably have to fight a rediculous war, hive mind vs purists, but we will surly defeat them.




you can already link minds.......

what if the Christians are right and you have to get out before this unification occurs if you want to be saved?

I do think a technologically collective mind would indeed be beneficial for society, and that it would solve all our silly problems quite effortlessly.

But technology is owned....... it is used by authorities. The technology itself would almost have to be sentient in order for things not to get messed up.

Or is this just pessimism?

what about the matrix? Seeking unification through plants and your own means, rather the submitting to technology to use you for it's own ends.


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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: leery11]
    #5846174 - 07/11/06 09:05 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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leery11 said:
i don't think i want to enter the matrix anymore than I already have unless it's programmers change.

but imagine if the internet became conscious......




I'd like to imagine it but I can't because I can't imagine what consciousness is

If consciousness is just recieving data, then internet is conscious already, and so isa washing machine when you let it know you have wool in there


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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: cupevampe]
    #5846374 - 07/11/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The only thing I think Kurzweil has overlooked is religious zealotry and theocratic influences not just of America, but of the world.

This isn't like a new processor or conductive alloy he is predicting, but a complete paradigm shift that would affect the course of human existence.

While all of his graphs show overwhelming evidence to support his theory about the singularity, I don't think the majority of humans will be able to emotionally, morally, and ethically progress at the same speed as our technology will... but one thing which was made abundantly clear to me through his books is that THE singularity will happen, with or without mankinds resistance.


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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5847719 - 07/11/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:
(CUT...)I don't think the majority of humans will be able to emotionally, morally, and ethically progress at the same speed as our technology will...




This is an interesting point you make.
But I would like to note that Kurzweil seems to take into account this possibility. In pages 30-33 of The Singularity Is Near (I'm not a fanatic, I'm just reading the book right now) he writes of an hypothetic dialogue between a human in 2004, and an hybrid entity in 2048. The human in 2004 is clearly concerned about what might happen to him, and expresses the desire not to join this singularity thing.
Well, the 2048 entity says, you don't have to.

In Kurzweil words, in regards to "some people concerns to remain "unenhanced" while at the same time keeping their place at the top of the intellectual food chain": "From the perspective of biological humanity, these superhuman intelligences will appear to be our devote servants, satisfying our needs and desire. But fulfilling the wishes of a revered biological legacy will occupy only a trivial portion of intellectual power that the Singularity will bring"

So I think (from kurzweil perspective) we don't have to be worried about what the majority of people will do.
Of course, whether Kurzweil is right, only time will tell. His statements are bold and carry big ethical questions with them.

In my opinion, and me being an optimistic person, there's a good chance he is right. And also, I don't think the vast majority of people will refuse to progress. I think the advantages will be very visible and clear.
And if someone still wants to keep on living as the old homo sapiens, he's welcome to do so. There's plenty of space in the universe for our enhanced intelligence to spread.


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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: cupevampe]
    #5848827 - 07/11/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i know somethings happening, ive forseen it but im really crazy/psychotic ish


transcendence out of the flow of time, time is very subjective (remember that from now on)


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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: TheGus]
    #5848908 - 07/11/06 09:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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more later, tonight is not the night




Why not? Time is very subjective, I thought. :tongue:

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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #11008176 - 09/06/09 07:02 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
While I consider myself a Transhumanist, Kurzweil's idea of the Technological Singularity being predictable seems improbable to me. Simply because the accumulation of knowledge has been steadily accelerating, doesn't mean it will continue to do so in a predictable manner. Technological innovation isn't obligated to follow an exponential graph. We may encounter unforeseen obstacles that slow the rate of technological progression.




why don't you read "the coming of the singularity" and his many graphs will show that even from a long term or a short term diagnosis of technological evolution that the singularity is near without a doubt.

Kurzweil has not been wrong about a single thing since the 80's, why doubt him now?


Some people believe that many human attributes are beyond the physical realm, so a robot made by us will not have them.


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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: explosiveoxygen]
    #11009835 - 09/06/09 02:52 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe we already reached a technological singularity, long ago - this world being one of the infinite dream matrices we spun into creation. However, our prowess at creating realities was such that once we entered into one of these virtual constructs, we became hypnotized and forgot our true godlike origins. We became slaves to our own programs, unaware that we are the creators of reality. Forced to wander in blind ignorance within our own dream until the time that we re-discover our origins. That time would be the coming technological singularity; a process that we are forced to repeat because we lost our way.


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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: cupevampe]
    #11009863 - 09/06/09 02:56 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

The technological singularity would require infinite energy and unbounded exponential growth.  Neither of these are possible as far as I can see.  That said, something approximating a technological singularity is very possible I think.  Just as 500 million years ago there was an explosion of multi-cellular life perhaps in the next few million years there will be an explosion of non-cellular life.


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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: DieCommie]
    #11009919 - 09/06/09 03:03 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

While technology is growing exponentially, humans still need so many hours to eat and sleep and that remains relatively unchanged. More importantly our brain's ability to read and absorb knowledge/data is also unchanged.

Our biology, unless interfaced :borg:, will clearly slow down this expansion.


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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11009951 - 09/06/09 03:07 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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While technology is growing exponentially, humans still need so many hours to eat and sleep and that remains relatively unchanged. More importantly our brain's ability to read and aborb knowledge/data is also unchanged.

Our biology, unless interfaced :borg:, will clearly slow down this expansion.




Unless we hand the power over to A.I, then perhaps the technological singularity will not involve humans that much at all.


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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11097094 - 09/20/09 08:50 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
While technology is growing exponentially, humans still need so many hours to eat and sleep and that remains relatively unchanged. More importantly our brain's ability to read and absorb knowledge/data is also unchanged.

Our biology, unless interfaced :borg:, will clearly slow down this expansion.



At some point the technology enhances and reproduces itself. This is the cue for technological singularity.


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Re: Something we are overlooking... Technological Singularity [Re: explosiveoxygen]
    #11099265 - 09/21/09 09:15 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
While technology is growing exponentially, humans still need so many hours to eat and sleep and that remains relatively unchanged. More importantly our brain's ability to read and absorb knowledge/data is also unchanged.

Our biology, unless interfaced :borg:, will clearly slow down this expansion.



At some point the technology enhances and reproduces itself. This is the cue for technological singularity.




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