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Safest drugs that will make you trip...?
    #5839760 - 07/09/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

alright im wondering what drugs out there are the safest to take...

im thinking marijuana and salvia are the safest regarding health...maybe shrooms :mushroom2: ? i dont know, havent researched much of them yet.

anybody have any ideas?


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: majurd]
    #5839791 - 07/09/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Mushrooms and LSD are very safe.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: kaniz]
    #5839802 - 07/09/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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kaniz said:
Mushrooms and LSD are very safe.




you cant be serious....its hard for me to believe that acid is anywhere near a safe drug.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: majurd]
    #5839818 - 07/09/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

LSD is way safe. The only danger really is flipping out and doing something crazy, which probably wouldn't happen. The drug itself is physiologically pretty safe on the body, as I understand it. Much more safe than (carcinogenic) smoking.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: majurd]
    #5839820 - 07/09/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, i heard that shit stays in yuor spine FOREVER, man. And if you crack your back you'll have a flashback!!!1


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: JayHorror]
    #5839840 - 07/09/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i still don't think mushrooms OR LSD are THAT safe...let's not forget all these reports of seizure (even on one hit of acid or as little as 4 grams dry of shrooms)....


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: SunshineDaydream]
    #5839901 - 07/09/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

caffeine


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: SunshineDaydream]
    #5839912 - 07/09/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm, reports. Back it up, rumors are bogus.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: thatiAM]
    #5839925 - 07/09/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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thatiAM said:Much more safe than (carcinogenic) smoking.




You don't have to smoke MJ, or Salvia, from my understanding.

I haven't tried salvia yet, but I know I defiantly enjoy eating my MJ just as much as I enjoy smoking it, if not more (It just consumes more)

However, I don't really see a problem other than letting yourself get malnourished, or dehydrated from LSD/Shrooms. Neither cook your brain... altho you may think its cooking depending on how hard your tripping.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: SunshineDaydream]
    #5839931 - 07/09/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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i still don't think mushrooms OR LSD are THAT safe...let's not forget all these reports of seizure (even on one hit of acid or as little as 4 grams dry of shrooms)....




Will you post a link to these reports, please?


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: JayHorror]
    #5840013 - 07/09/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

LSD does not stay in your spine, thats a debunked myth. And flashbacks typically are rare and have caused few if any problems.

However, I will say that if you're a PTSD "victim", you might want to stay away from acid, unless you're willing to risk bringing up some repressed memories. I'm sure with the right company this might not even be a bad thing, it might actually end up in some sort of resolve, but that kind of work is best left to a professional psychiatrist and unfortunately in the US I don't think such work is considered appropriate or legal.

Otherwise, LSD seems to be probably the safest physiologically, and if you're worried, the best practice is to pay attention to your doseage, set and setting, and have an experienced and sober friend around to keep you from doing anything dumb.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: Mezcal]
    #5840094 - 07/09/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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caffeine




People can easily overdose on caffeine just as any stimulant. I've seen it happen and it's not good.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: Catboy]
    #5840221 - 07/09/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

to me and for me LSD/Shrooms are the safest drugs I've ever taken.

Physiologically I'd say they are the safest


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: indica]
    #5840234 - 07/09/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

hmm, what about physically safe??


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: majurd]
    #5840238 - 07/09/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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kaniz said:
Mushrooms and LSD are very safe.




you cant be serious....its hard for me to believe that acid is anywhere near a safe drug.




Very serious. What is it about LSD that makes it unsafe?

Its physically very safe. There is what, one reported death due to OD on LSD, and that was from someone injecting a very large ammount of it into their system.

The other risks with LSD are the same as any other psychedelic really - injury due to impaired judgment, or psychological 'trauma' from a bad trip - which is pretty rare IMO. Yes, it can happen - but same can go for any psychedelic, not just LSD.

And when compared to some of the research chemicals which can and do have very serious health risks for ODing on them - LSD doesnt have that.

When compared to other drugs in general, and some of the other research chemicals - I'd rate LSD as very safe to use.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: kaniz]
    #5840250 - 07/09/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #5840254 - 07/09/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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hmm, what about physically safe??




Nyquil?  :ooo: :albundy:


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    #5840257 - 07/09/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: Catboy]
    #5840261 - 07/09/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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snyder said:
caffeine




People can easily overdose on caffeine just as any stimulant. I've seen it happen and it's not good.




I've had way too much tonight, and I just feel like total shit.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: rod]
    #5840271 - 07/09/06 08:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Natural Hallucinogen




holy shit that was sweet, imma have to try that trippin


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: kaniz]
    #5840463 - 07/09/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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or psychological 'trauma' from a bad trip - which is pretty rare IMO. Yes, it can happen - but same can go for any psychedelic, not just LSD.






what exactly do you mean by psychological trauma...what do you think the worst case scenario is...and is this only if you do too much of it or if you just trip really bad.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: Leanin]
    #5840472 - 07/09/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i think acid is prabably the most dangerous sounding drug name.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: majurd]
    #5840519 - 07/09/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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or psychological 'trauma' from a bad trip - which is pretty rare IMO. Yes, it can happen - but same can go for any psychedelic, not just LSD.








with acid, taking 1 hit could be barely a trip, or could be 2-3 times the potency of what a "normal" trip would be. so there's some risk in just eating a tab and it being 200-300 ug instead of you being used to 50ug tabs...

the risk is of course, the risk that all psychedelics give you. you trip.

use your imagination then imagine that you can't stop using it.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: kora]
    #5840585 - 07/09/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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i think acid is prabably the most dangerous sounding drug name.



thats why i never call it that when uneducated people are around(call it L out in public). It just makes it sound so bad and they always jump in with the "you know that stays in your spine forever"


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: majurd]
    #5840631 - 07/09/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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kaniz said:
Mushrooms and LSD are very safe.




you cant be serious....its hard for me to believe that acid is anywhere near a safe drug.



Acid may be fine for those more experienced but if i were u i would take shrooms for your first time. If u start to have a bad trip it won't last too long as it would with acid.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: anonymous123]
    #5840653 - 07/09/06 10:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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dunnen said:
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i think acid is prabably the most dangerous sounding drug name.



thats why i never call it that when uneducated people are around(call it L out in public). It just makes it sound so bad and they always jump in with the "you know that stays in your spine forever"



Im not out to hate on any synthetic drug. However given man's track record with drug synthesis, it seems that if it doesn't grow naturally, then it is probably not ideal for human consumption.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: PSylopHiLe]
    #5840695 - 07/09/06 10:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

IMO, there is no such thing as a safe hallucinogen. You're putting a chemical into your body (or triggering something) that isn't there naturally. Anytime you trip it can go either way. Sure, you might have yourself metally prepared, but you can't control what people around you do. Even in the safe and comfortable setting of your home, it doesn't mean you're in the clear. Each time is a bargain, a gamble moreso. And to say that LSD is ?Safe?, that clearly depends on your definition of safe. Each scenario is entirely circumstantial, there's no way to pre-determine whether it's safe or not, for the specific person in a specific scenario throughout twelve hours. Anything can make or break a trip. I'm in full support of psychedelics, but to say that they are ?Safe? is a blatant misjudgement, and it's a wrong way to display your use. If things like this were perfectly safe and legal, a large portion of early drug users probably would stop using, especially since teenagers (not all though) are looking for a thrill. But I thought the more serious drug users would know the dangers, and the glories, but would state more than just the positive side.

The first real hallucinogen I took was Salvia. IMO, if you don't break through, this is the "safest" one. It lasts mere minutes, and if you just experience the thresholds, this in itself is good enough to experience mindblowing visuals. More than likely, the more notorious the name, the harder the drug is. For example, how many people do you hear of using PCP, ever? I don't know one person that even talks about it. That's because the image is bad, and for a good reason. That's my spiel.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: PSylopHiLe]
    #5840720 - 07/09/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

well actually acid is semisynthetic. the lysergic acid part is natural(comes from ergot...fungus taht is grow on certain types of weat) and they add the diethylamide group in the laboratory


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: mellowrubberduck]
    #5840728 - 07/09/06 10:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I heard salvia can be really intense, it depends on the person taking it and what form it is. I know someone who smoked a dose of extract and freaked out b/c it was so intense and it took him by surprise. The psychological effects seem to be too erratic and may not be a good idea for the aprehensive first timer. The first hallucinogen i took was mushrooms and i thoroughly enjoyed myself.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: DeathCompany]
    #5840741 - 07/09/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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well actually acid is semisynthetic. the lysergic acid part is natural(comes from ergot...fungus taht is grow on certain types of weat) and they add the diethylamide group in the laboratory



weird, seems logical though considering that psilocybin occurs naturally and the two chemicals have similar molecular structure.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: PSylopHiLe]
    #5841054 - 07/10/06 12:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Marijuana has the least amount of risk, but I don't think "safest" is a good word. It depends what state of mind you are in, were you are, what you are doing, and what you are taking (set, setting substance, shit your doing that day). If your going to work, then I don't think LSD is in anyway a safe drug.
To assume that someone is going to take them in a certain way is to assume that they know what they are doing, if they need to figure out what drug is safest, they probally don't. I think "safe" and "drug" shouldn't be used together, as all drugs have risks and the closest thing to a safe drug is using a drug and eliminating all the risks you can.
Thats getting off the topic a bit, but I still think that "safest drug" is bad wording. I can give a million freevibe scenarios, but the point is that nothing in life is a shore thing, especially not drug use. This is coming from someone that knows a lot about having little reguard for responsible drug use. This is just coming from a harm reduction standpoint though, but thats what I think.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: PSylopHiLe]
    #5843423 - 07/10/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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well actually acid is semisynthetic. the lysergic acid part is natural(comes from ergot...fungus taht is grow on certain types of weat) and they add the diethylamide group in the laboratory



weird, seems logical though considering that psilocybin occurs naturally and the two chemicals have similar molecular structure.





They're in similar chemical families, iirc.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: majurd]
    #5845514 - 07/11/06 01:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Until I see some reliable evidence that suggests otherwise, I maintain that mushrooms are completely safe. This of course assumes that a) the shrooms are not combined with other drugs* and b) the person eating the shrooms is healthy and doesn't have an underlying heart condition or something.

*I also maintain that mushrooms taken in conjunction with other drug(s) which are known to be reasonably safe (e.g. marijuana) are likely less dangerous than a land shark.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: Land_Crab]
    #5845597 - 07/11/06 02:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What about DMT. Your body already produces it.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: Tikiwoo]
    #5845625 - 07/11/06 02:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Cannabis, and LSD get my vote for safest drugs.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: ShroomOmatic]
    #5846523 - 07/11/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

DMT is an extremely safe substance and its in your body naturally.
as a psychedelic tryptamine, it has the same possibility of psychlogical trauma as mushrooms or LSD.

its short length and completely immersive nature makes it pretty much impossible to hurt yourself or others while one it (obviously dont take a hit while driving.... or even standing for that matter)

the short length also makes a bad trip very unlikely.

this all refers to smoked freebase DMT. ayahuasca (or pharmahuasca) is a trip around the length of a mushroom trip and has the same risks (which is not much)


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: JeffersonDarcy]
    #5846585 - 07/11/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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DMT is an extremely safe substance and its in your body naturally.
as a psychedelic tryptamine, it has the same possibility of psychlogical trauma as mushrooms or LSD.

its short length and completely immersive nature makes it pretty much impossible to hurt yourself or others while one it (obviously dont take a hit while driving.... or even standing for that matter)

the short length also makes a bad trip very unlikely.





Hits the nail right on the head.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: Mushouse]
    #5846613 - 07/11/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I feel that LSD is the “safest” in terms of physical effects on the body. It is active at such extraordinarily low doses, and it is pure.

When you eat a mushroom or smoke a joint, you’re getting more than just the psilocybin or THC; you’re putting other substances into your body at the same time because the mushroom or cannabis materials have not undergone extraction and the chemicals have not been purified. When you take LSD, you’re only getting LSD.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: Leanin]
    #5846615 - 07/11/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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rod said:
Natural Hallucinogen




holy shit that was sweet, imma have to try that trippin




nice link, make me eyes feel funny


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: Catboy]
    #5847896 - 07/11/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Catboy said:
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snyder said:
caffeine




People can easily overdose on caffeine just as any stimulant. I've seen it happen and it's not good.




not only that high doses of caffeine are extremely anxiety provoking and can make u feel quite nuts(literally) I've had to go into the hospital after having too much caffeine(from a tylenol 1 extract) to get a benzo cause I was basically having mini panic attacks


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: majurd]
    #5848166 - 07/11/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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alright im wondering what drugs out there are the safest to take...

im thinking marijuana and salvia are the safest regarding health...maybe shrooms :mushroom2: ? i dont know, havent researched much of them yet.

anybody have any ideas?




I heard Corciden Cold and Cough + crystal meth is pretty safe. Alot of fun too.  :doggull:


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: stew248]
    #5849577 - 07/12/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

LSD by far. It's hardly even a drug, it's kind of just more life condensed to a piece of paper.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: stew248]
    #5849612 - 07/12/06 01:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

good analogy
i think that slavia is very unsafe cause u have no control over what hapens to you or the world around you... mushrooms are very unsafe for rookies and abusers ,,pot is high wise safe but physically wise unsafe
,,havent expiernce LSd yet so i dunoo but ye this summer :peace:


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: ctaf420]
    #5852157 - 07/12/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

just smoke some grass... its just a weed...


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: BlindLemon]
    #5852181 - 07/12/06 08:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

So everyone can name drugs that are safe...

Are there any that are unsafe?

One dose can kill? like strangulation...


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: Nashbar]
    #5852322 - 07/12/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You can die from LSD and from mushrooms, its just really hard. Look how safe water is yet how many people drown every year. Is water really safe then? All things have potential to cause danger, and just cause a substance is physically non-toxic doesn't make it safe. I can drive after a cup of coffee, I can't drive on LSD. At the same time I can't drink 10 cups of coffee without puking, I can however eat 10 hits of acid without getting sick. What you do on the drug is a factor on a drugs safety, as is your mental health. LSD, marijuan, and mushrooms can trigger underlying mental disorders that might have otherwise either taken years to appear, or possibly might have never appeared, though its impossible to prove a paradox. This is rare, but its a possibility that has to be noted, especially when calling a substance, "safe" when it has dangers.

I still think people are using the word safe were non-toxic should be.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5852381 - 07/12/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

no, people are using "safe" correctly. Safe is relative, so is nontoxic.

I'm pretty sure there are only a handful of deaths from psychadelics, none from ordinary recreational doses.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: Nashbar]
    #5855585 - 07/13/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Safe is relative, and so is non-toxic to a point, though this is my opinion, its not really a fact. As for drugs being non-toxic, I mean in normal recreational doses. Everything can kill you, and everything can harm your body, but will the recreational dose cause harm to the body? I see your point though, and you're right.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5855760 - 07/13/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

LSD. Shrooms are relatively safe, certainly, but they can make you throw up, so if we're speaking strictly physical here . . . definately acid. People have eaten an entire gram and been fine (or thumbprints), and on erowid there was a bit about somebody snorting a line of LSD; that'd likely be more than a gram, and insufflated so it hit instantly. I'd say DMT probably ties, but I haven't studied the physical toxicity on that yet. Everyone assumes Salvia's safe because it's a plant, but there hasn't been a whole lot of research on it so I don't know for sure.


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Re: Safest drugs that will make you trip...? [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5855779 - 07/13/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

then double, triple, ten-times the normal recreational dose, name an illicit drug that will kill me at 10x dosing.

don't kid yourself, there are virtually no harms in recreational illicit drug use.

Maybe exacerbating some underlying condition, but then that's ABUSING when a previous problem exists, not USING.


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