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FBI plans new Net-tapping push
    #5839020 - 07/09/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com

Published: July 7, 2006, 6:47 PM PDT

The FBI has drafted sweeping legislation that would require Internet service providers to create wiretapping hubs for police surveillance and force makers of networking gear to build in backdoors for eavesdropping, CNET News.com has learned.

FBI Agent Barry Smith distributed the proposal at a private meeting last Friday with industry representatives and indicated it would be introduced by Sen. Mike DeWine, an Ohio Republican, according to two sources familiar with the meeting.

The draft bill would place the FBI's Net-surveillance push on solid legal footing. At the moment, it's ensnared in a legal challenge from universities and some technology companies that claim the Federal Communications Commission's broadband surveillance directives exceed what Congress has authorized.

The FBI claims that expanding the 1994 Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act is necessary to thwart criminals and terrorists who have turned to technologies like voice over Internet Protocol, or VoIP.

"The complexity and variety of communications technologies have dramatically increased in recent years, and the lawful intercept capabilities of the federal, state and local law enforcement community have been under continual stress, and in many cases have decreased or become impossible," according to a summary accompanying the draft bill.

Complicating the political outlook for the legislation is an ongoing debate over allegedly illegal surveillance by the National Security Administration--punctuated by several lawsuits challenging it on constitutional grounds and an unrelated proposal to force Internet service providers to record what Americans are doing online. One source, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitive nature of last Friday's meeting, said the FBI viewed its CALEA expansion as a top congressional priority for 2007.

Breaking the legislation down
The 27-page proposed CALEA amendments seen by CNET News.com would:

• Require any manufacturer of "routing" and "addressing" hardware to offer upgrades or other "modifications" that are needed to support Internet wiretapping. Current law does require that of telephone switch manufacturers--but not makers of routers and network address translation hardware like Cisco Systems and 2Wire.

• Authorize the expansion of wiretapping requirements to "commercial" Internet services including instant messaging if the FCC deems it to be in the "public interest." That would likely sweep in services such as in-game chats offered by Microsoft's Xbox 360 gaming system as well.

• Force Internet service providers to sift through their customers' communications to identify, for instance, only VoIP calls. (The language requires companies to adhere to "processing or filtering methods or procedures applied by a law enforcement agency.") That means police could simply ask broadband providers like AT&T, Comcast or Verizon for wiretap info--instead of having to figure out what VoIP service was being used.

• Eliminate the current legal requirement saying the Justice Department must publish a public "notice of the actual number of communications interceptions" every year. That notice currently also must disclose the "maximum capacity" required to accommodate all of the legally authorized taps that government agencies will "conduct and use simultaneously."

Jim Harper, a policy analyst at the free-market Cato Institute and member of a Homeland Security advisory board, said the proposal would "have a negative impact on Internet users' privacy."

"People expect their information to be private unless the government meets certain legal standards," Harper said. "Right now the Department of Justice is pushing the wrong way on all this."

Neither the FBI nor DeWine's office responded to a request for comment Friday afternoon.

DeWine has relatively low approval ratings--47 percent, according to SurveyUSA.com--and is enmeshed in a fierce battle with a Democratic challenger to retain his Senate seat in the November elections. DeWine is a member of a Senate Judiciary subcommittee charged with overseeing electronic privacy and antiterrorism enforcement and is a former prosecutor in Ohio.

A panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C., decided 2-1 last month to uphold the FCC's extension of CALEA to broadband providers, and it's not clear what will happen next with the lawsuit. Judge Harry Edwards wrote in his dissent that the majority's logic gave the FCC "unlimited authority to regulate every telecommunications service that might conceivably be used to assist law enforcement."

The organizations behind the lawsuit say Congress never intended CALEA to force broadband providers--and networks at corporations and universities--to build in central surveillance hubs for the police. The list of organizations includes Sun Microsystems, Pulver.com, the American Association of Community Colleges, the Association of American Universities and the American Library Association.

If the FBI's legislation becomes law, it would derail the lawsuit because there would no longer be any question that Congress intended CALEA to apply to the Internet.


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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5839173 - 07/09/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

if dewine had his way..he would draught the following one-line constitutional amendment ..

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the fourth article of amendment to the united states constitution is hearby repealed




and he prolly will have the opportunity to do so too..with polls showing the majority overwhelmingly supporting unrestricted surveillance...


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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5839203 - 07/09/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Since when did the FBI draftl egislation?


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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5839290 - 07/09/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If you are not a terrorist or criminal, then you have nothing to worry about, right?


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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5839377 - 07/09/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

mabey my country going down the shitter? our democracy is falling fast


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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5839385 - 07/09/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

LunarEclipse said:
If you are not a terrorist or criminal, then you have nothing to worry about, right?




I am so saddened by attitudes like this. Why in hell do we need to have a fucking govt looking over our damn shoulder?! It should not matter weather you have a damn thing to hide or not! Govt monitoring of it's citizens is total fucking bullshit. They are suppose to have to get a warrant to go through our private affairs, not data mine for dirt to charge who ever falls in the damn net.

The US govt is systematically dismantling the role of the courts by actions like this. Why bother having a forth amendment at all? Lets just put cameras in our living rooms to watch our every move. Why not? If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't object to it. /sarcasm off


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Edited by RosettaStoned (07/09/06 04:19 PM)

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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5839408 - 07/09/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Why in hell do we need to have a fucking govt looking over our damn shoulder?!




Because some of "us" are evil scumbags who don't exactly wear "I am an evil scumbag" badges. Capisce?


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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5839577 - 07/09/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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xDuckYouSuckerx said:
Since when did the FBI draftl egislation?




That's an excellent point. All they have to do is find someone(s) in the right places to introduce legislation by proxy, as is the case here. Infiltrate their own government with agents?

"FBI Agent Barry Smith distributed the proposal at a private meeting last Friday with industry representatives and indicated it would be introduced by Sen. Mike DeWine, an Ohio Republican, according to two sources familiar with the meeting."


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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5839827 - 07/09/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Does this mean you don't think the FBI should have the tools it needs to fight the war on terror?


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Edited by LunarEclipse (07/09/06 06:23 PM)

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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5839845 - 07/09/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

they should definitely not be given such tools..because the war on terror is a class war being waged by the rich against the poor...


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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5839885 - 07/09/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I suppose it is true that most terrorists are poor.

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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5839924 - 07/09/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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they should definitely not be given such tools..because the war on terror is a class war being waged by the rich against the poor...




See my sig for anna's position on the war on terror. It is a 100% acurate quote.


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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5839973 - 07/09/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Also we should have to put cameras in our homes at every angle with with FBI access. We should have to turn in statements for everything we buy. Fuck that...... We should call this the war on american freedom.

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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: freedomislost]
    #5840015 - 07/09/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

We should have to turn in statements for everything we buy.

No need, Visa and the banks will mail us the statements and probably already copy the government...


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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5840024 - 07/09/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The only gummint agency likely to go through your Visa statements is the IRS


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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5840047 - 07/09/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The only gummint agency likely to go through your Visa statements is the IRS

Link or just pure speculation on your part?


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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5840086 - 07/09/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

A lifetime of experience.
What makes your paranoid self think that anybody gives a fuck about what you do? What on earth makes you think that there is enough people who can go through this gargantuan amount of info to bother with your, or my, insignificant ass?


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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5840163 - 07/09/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

LunarEclipse said:
If you are not a terrorist or criminal, then you have nothing to worry about, right?




I'm no terrorist, but if the government keeps shoving its entire populace around, I'm going to get increasingly willing to shove back. And I am not alone.


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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5840208 - 07/09/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
What makes your paranoid self think that anybody gives a fuck about what you do?




the fact that they want to data-mine every last fart that comes out of everyones' ass...


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Re: FBI plans new Net-tapping push [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5840227 - 07/09/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

just a few more years untill 1984....


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