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Re: 5 U.S. soldiers charged in Iraq rape-slay case [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21529472 - 04/10/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

More bullshit.


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Re: 5 U.S. soldiers charged in Iraq rape-slay case [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21529491 - 04/10/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

What is bullshit?


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Re: 5 U.S. soldiers charged in Iraq rape-slay case [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21529524 - 04/10/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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That's why church and state must be separate entities.

The Republican and Tea Parties have been working hard to merge the two, but America won't accept that.





I do not think you have any fucking clue about the American electorate and I would suggest a reading of the Declaration and the Constitution for a clue about founding attitudes in re religion.

I myself am an atheist but I am not ignorant about this country.  They would never elect an atheist.

I liked Rand Paul's answer to the bint reporter who asked him about abortion. 

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“Why don’t we ask the DNC: Is it okay to kill a seven-pound baby in the uterus? You go back and you ask Debbie Wasserman Schultz if she’s OK with killing a seven-pound baby that is not born yet. Ask her when life begins, and you ask Debbie when it’s okay to protect life. When you get an answer from Debbie, get back to me.”




Debbie says she's cool with Kermit Gosnellhttp://www.cnn.com/2013/12/16/justice/pennsylvania-abortion-doctor-pills/

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I support letting women and their doctors make this decision without government getting involved. Period.




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Re: 5 U.S. soldiers charged in Iraq rape-slay case [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21529680 - 04/10/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Sure, there are lots of religious folks in this country. However, whenever a presidential candidate gets too preachy with the religious nonsense they quickly fall out of favor. No, America doesn't want an atheist president. That is less likely than a black or female president. They also don't want a theocracy. Except maybe down in Alabama or some other hillbilly state.

It is clear to many people in this country that theocracy leads to situations such as the one in the middle east, and the one the settlers fled when they came to America. Our involvement in the middle east has put a powerful lens on theocratic government.


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Re: 5 U.S. soldiers charged in Iraq rape-slay case [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21529713 - 04/10/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

The settlers who came to America were intolerant religious freaks who only fled Europe because of other intolerant religious freaks so that they could set up a theocracy of their own.  They did not found the country as that happened many decades later but you really have no fucking clue about the role of religion in either the founding or the current composition of religion in America.

The Dutch in New Amsterdam, secular capitalist warriors, saved America from being those times' Iran.


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Re: 5 U.S. soldiers charged in Iraq rape-slay case [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21529774 - 04/10/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

They fled theocracy, and we can look back and see that. That is my point. The settlers were comprised of several different Judeo-Christian religious beliefs, and all of the core documents speak of freedom from religious persecution.


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Re: 5 U.S. soldiers charged in Iraq rape-slay case [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21534509 - 04/11/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
They fled theocracy, and we can look back and see that. That is my point. The settlers were comprised of several different Judeo-Christian religious beliefs, and all of the core documents speak of freedom from religious persecution.




The Pilgrims were theocrats


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Re: 5 U.S. soldiers charged in Iraq rape-slay case [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21534525 - 04/11/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

And most of the founding fathers were deists.

So what?

It doesn't really matter what role religion played. Slavery played a role too, we're not still clinging onto that memory.


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Re: 5 U.S. soldiers charged in Iraq rape-slay case [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21534561 - 04/11/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Please show me the passage in either the declaration or Constitution that uses the phrase "separation of church and state".  God is all over both documents.  So far there have been no amendments to change that, unlike for slavery and prohibition of alcohol.


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Re: 5 U.S. soldiers charged in Iraq rape-slay case [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21535465 - 04/11/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Do you know what deist means?


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Re: 5 U.S. soldiers charged in Iraq rape-slay case [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #21536397 - 04/12/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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Please show me the passage in either the declaration or Constitution that uses the phrase "separation of church and state".  God is all over both documents.  So far there have been no amendments to change that, unlike for slavery and prohibition of alcohol.





The first amendment to the US Constitution states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"


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Re: 5 U.S. soldiers charged in Iraq rape-slay case [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21536490 - 04/12/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Now he's going to disagree with the smartest constitutional lawyers on the planet and say that has nothing to do with a separation of church and state.


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    #21536503 - 04/12/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

You'd have to be pretty lawyorly to even conjur an argument against it lol.


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Re: 5 U.S. soldiers charged in Iraq rape-slay case [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21536866 - 04/12/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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zappaisgod said:
Please show me the passage in either the declaration or Constitution that uses the phrase "separation of church and state".  God is all over both documents.  So far there have been no amendments to change that, unlike for slavery and prohibition of alcohol.





The first amendment to the US Constitution states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"




That is not what that says.

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separation of church and state




The Supreme Court invented it.


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Re: 5 U.S. soldiers charged in Iraq rape-slay case [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21536890 - 04/12/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)


Doesn't Obamacare mandate a violation of many people's religious beliefs?  Hobby Lobby seems to say yes.  Where does this line get drawn?  The law is not as simple as the children think.


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Re: 5 U.S. soldiers charged in Iraq rape-slay case [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #21537024 - 04/12/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Doesn't Obamacare mandate a violation of many people's religious beliefs?  Hobby Lobby seems to say yes.



Since when are corporations religious?  Do corporations go to church?  :confused:


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Re: 5 U.S. soldiers charged in Iraq rape-slay case [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21537828 - 04/12/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

They are owned by people


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Re: 5 U.S. soldiers charged in Iraq rape-slay case [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21538030 - 04/12/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Well then, Hobby Lobby does NOT seem to say Obamacare violates religious beliefs.


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Re: 5 U.S. soldiers charged in Iraq rape-slay case [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21538675 - 04/12/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Yes it does.


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    #21538690 - 04/12/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, but the first ammendment does say that verbatim. Do you just... say things?


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