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i refute cosmic co-incidence/synchronisity
    #5837996 - 07/09/06 07:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

to make up for the failure in my "cutting edge tai chi" thread i'm making this one.   

i'm going to start off by saying i've been pretty unhappy with the mysticism and spirituallity forums, because i feel like the few really important posts i made were ignored, at least judging by the responses  or lack of.  this is one of the few posts i feel is important, in the sense of being useful and right on the money,  that i've made.

my first assumptions are that precognition and telepathy exsist and that they are to some degree a natural part of human functioning. (although this is not neccassarily a make or break point of my arguement, it works reasonably well if you don't believe in that stuff)

as i learned about how precognition and telepathy appear to work (which is mainly a study of what states of mind enhances or diminishes your ability to successfully do it) and actually learned to do it consciously myself, my borderline schitzophernic perceptions about cosmic synchronisity revealed themselves to be illusions.

doctorJ posted a particularly good general example of what would happen to me all day long (not intoxicated)

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But it somehow feels like more than that. If you are your perceptions, and you are.... then you are your environment, because you are ALWAYS in your OWN environment, which is different than everyone elses environment. So the time that YOU choose to turn on the radio is different than anyone else.....


So if you think "i'm a popsicle" then 90% of the time you are so stoned that you aren't paying enough attention to the TV, but are just going "oh man... i'm a popsicle........ .man..... man... i'm a popsicle..... i'm a popsicle" and really tripping out about it... so then when the old guy on family guy asks if you like popsicles you go WTF!!!
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its now my belief that there were two things going on
a)i believe drugs in the process of making my brain fire semi-randomly and outside of thier habitual routes clouded my ability to distingish bettween myself and external things (the "me" processes were going along the "not me" routes and visa versa).  further exploration of the "mental syntax" behind my various perceptions have led to me believe that i am in fact not the same as my enviroment although i do have an influence and it does have an influence on me.

b)there are deeper levels of awareness than i was conscious of. these deeper levels of awareness are the levels on which precog and telepathy exsist.  the drugs in confusing my ability to distinguish bettween self and outside perception also effected these deeper levels (or at least the conscious outpourings from them). 

i began to precog or read poeple's minds and assume it was coming from myself from outside myself (not all of it was precog or telepathy, a heafty chunk of the more easily dismissed stuff was just becoming aware of how much subconcious information i was processing).
my mind became confused and began to reach for answers that made sense.  i began creating a belief structure around the eyedea there was some super me that was making up my percievable universe.
  i'm sure the fact that other poeple have been propigating this belief for some time now had something to do with me experiancing it.
    other poeple with that belief will communicate to you that it is indeed true using those deeper levels of awareness.  just because they are using those levels to communicate it doesn't mean that its true, it just means they have access to that level, or that through drugs or meditation they have programed a belief system down to that level.
  i think that believing in some sort of personal cosmic self is a delusional attempt at having an easy answer to whats really going on in the deeper levels.  i think that is the reason why poeple chose to believe it and stick with it in the first place.

once i became semi-proficent in being aware of my precoging and telepathy i noticed that my beliefs about the nature of those signals was just a pattern my mind was imposing on a huge sea of data.  since then i have created and observed many many differnt sets of patterning with reguards to which subconscious data i would experiance, and to the best of my knowledge no single one is truer than any other (although many are more artfully constructed than others). depending on my energy level i can move about through the various possible sets of reality as i like.

hope this has been helpful.

edit: also, out of body exploration which i believe to be the most imporant practice for gaining real knowledge about spirit and life work seem to confirm the fact that i am indeed a limited self, even outside the physical.  the states of non-differentiation bettween things are lower levels, not higher levels)  (um, yeah that last statement isn't entirely correct, but i hope you get the level on which it is correct)

edit: can you tell i'm a huge fan of john lilly and robert monroe? :smile:


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Re: i refute cosmic co-incidence/synchronisity [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5862253 - 07/15/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Easy to tell you are a big Lilly fan.

However, could you go more in depth as to how you connect with these other minds?

Would you not at least agree that the exterior world is manifestation of us. The Macrocosm and we are the microcosm.

So in the end, you just think everything is chaotic energy, yet somehow you can harness powers such as telepathy and precognition? I just don't get what you are trying to say unless you are trying to say that not much can be said, then  :thumbup:


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Re: i refute cosmic co-incidence/synchronisity [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5862585 - 07/15/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: i refute cosmic co-incidence/synchronisity [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5863649 - 07/15/06 11:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I understand somewhat of your argument, but this seems to support synchronicity in IMO, but really I think you can call it just coincidence in situations, who knows, only the perceiver

I've experienced somewhat what your talking about, its trippy when it happens. By any chance, was some of this deep perception of higher levels due in part of ecstasy?

Because why I'm asking is because I had the same precognitive mind reading experiences with ecstasy,

I don't quite classify it as mind reading though, IMO its more an acute awareness of ones surroundings that tell the story behind the unknown. The mind is reading all the body language, gestures and symbolisms that fill in the pieces and tell the story behind a person, you can be dumfounded by the "secret" knowledge you can obtain by body language and gestures, as one logicaly can put the pieces together and make corrlations on the percentage chances you could pretty much read a persons life story with only observation, infact poker is built on this skill, Its almost like mind reading but actually you are super honed in on your own observations and analysis of ones environment with the precog. training to go along with it, also the drug can cause disruptions as you say, in preceptive cognition, making it appear more than what it is, because its like delayed reaction for me at least, I see the preceptive sequence in the back play of my mind, but I just perceived it so quickly due to the impairment of my mind on substances, drugs can evolve thinking very quickly IMO, as it can erode the mind when abused,

but who knows really, this is just my twist on it,


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Re: i refute cosmic co-incidence/synchronisity [Re: capliberty]
    #5864593 - 07/16/06 08:01 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

if i wanted to sum up what i wrote real quick i would say:
the beliefs of a person effect what subconscious data they pick up (psychic or otherwise) which then goes back into building up the beliefs of a person.

for poeple very heavily involved in "cosmic synchronisity", i believe it is a human created pattern for recieving and interpretting subconscious data.

(i guess i'm just saying synchronisity does not prove a belief system, its a psychic or subconscious mechanism removed from spirituality)

replies to previous posts:
- i do not believe external reality is a manifestation of us
- i don't know how the connection's bettween minds form apart from the usual talking/non-verbal communication.  i do know that with practice you can learn to feel and manipulate the non-physical connection, and it does not appear to be tied in with spirituality or any particular belief system
-i haven't taken much exctasy because it seems to have a reverse effect on me, makes me very very calm and sad.  i take it to mellow out other drugs :smile:.  precoging and telepathy came from boring practice for hours upon hours.
- i agree that drugs can show you all the subconscious information you normally filter out, and i agree that there is SOOOOOOO much being communicated that we're normally not aware of.  if you dont' believe in psycic stuff, i think those things could also account for synchronisities.  however most poeple that heavily believe in synchronisity probably get examples of it that defy that sort of explenation: thus my psyhic explenation.


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Re: i refute cosmic co-incidence/synchronisity [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5864776 - 07/16/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't see how something can be "removed from spirituality"

Its all connected.


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Re: i refute cosmic co-incidence/synchronisity [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5865550 - 07/16/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

(i guess i'm just saying synchronisity does not prove a belief system, its a psychic or subconscious mechanism removed from spirituality)




Care to define spirituality as you use it? Because what you are saying makes no sense in the way I define spirituality.


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