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 Kindnug
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#583799 - 03/19/02 11:31 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey everyone, I have some excellent first pics of myco's new coconut strate in action. It is everything he says and more. I used mostly jars with this first batch spawned on 3-17. Here are the best two to take pictures of for everyone's sake on here; the first being a pint glass wiped with alcohol (probably totally unnecessary) These next two pics were taken at 34 hours (Walter Payton, props)
Okay, here is a half pint that I spawned the next day, this picture is at 16 hours. I was checking it about every 2 hours after 12, boy was I suprised to see this after virtually nothing at 14!!!! Took pictures immediately, here they be. Keep in mind this was a control jar from the batch that was going in and out of the incubator, so some may be further along, some a bit less.
closer, you damn good for nothing photographer!!
Oh yeah, you'll like this too. Just had to try it, threw some leftovers (actually a half-pints worth at least) in a standard ziplock bag and poked 5 holes in it with a paperclip (that is what I am using to poke holes in the foil lids on the jars, too.... 2 per half pint; 3 or 4 for anything larger). All of these batches were mixed by hand mind you, and the substrate was left out hydrated for a good 40 minutes before being spawned and eventually put into jars...also all by hand except for loading of jars, I just used a clean spoon for that. Too funny this stuff, he has engineered it so it is practically contaminant free even in open air. Anyways, here's that ziplock. tough to see because they aren't too clear, but you can see good enough to get the point!! These pics were all just taken at 40 hours, and they were sitting on top of my incubator, not inside. Not bad for a ziploc huh? See for yourself
you ever done this? It works with this stuff, this bag has holes all over it!!! Doesn't seem to matter in the least, like I said this bag isn't even inside the incubator!!
More picture to come maybe even in six hours or so!!!!
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Kindnug]
#584048 - 03/20/02 08:34 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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what's in that?
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: SumGuy]
#584063 - 03/20/02 08:48 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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It?s a coco coir based(instead of vermiculite) substrate developed by McMan.
Read http://www.myco-tek.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3c98aec7428dffff;act=ST;f=8;t=4 .
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 Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Kindnug]
#584120 - 03/20/02 09:56 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Strain?
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: ]
#584238 - 03/20/02 12:39 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Strains- The pint is TC, the half pint is PR, and the ziplock is B+. Sorry forgot to label them. Still waiting for a couple of SA grain jars innoculated with those 2 syringes I won to be 100% colonized; Can't wait to get a load of SA coconut jars. Thanks again for running so many syringes contests, you are the man!!! You will definitely get more kudos in a couple weeks when we can actually see them in the pod!! I hear from myco that SA is the shit; thew grow huge in the pod. Take it easy
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#584310 - 03/20/02 02:05 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Anonymous]
#584366 - 03/20/02 02:46 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looks like it's off to a good start there Mycotek. The Mycelium looks noticeably strong. I'm really looking forward to watching this stuff perform in the Hydrapod. Exciting!
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: ]
#584375 - 03/20/02 02:55 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good job Kindnug, I spawned my batch yesterday at 5pm, at 5 today I'll take a pic, I'm already seeing a bunch of action- this stuff is great guys, anyways, look for my thread in a bit-
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Anonymous]
#584459 - 03/20/02 04:48 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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I believe Anno was referring to the fact that this substrate is very similar to one outlined by Stamets in GGMM, which uses vermiculite (instead of coco peat). Here's a quote:
"Another simple and inexpensive form of pelletized spawn can be made from vermiculite saturated with a soy protein based nutrient broth, a 'secret' method used by some of the largest spawn producers."
While I have no idea what mycotek puts in his substrate, this is the idea, and one could come up with any number of liquid nutrient media to adsorb onto coco peat (or vermiculite or calcined earth, or paper pellets, for that matter.)
Hydrolized soy protein (Peptone is good) would be one, or a malt yeast peptone broth.
This type of medium is good for rapid colonization, and for use as a spawn master, but for fruiting directly, the nutrients are likely to be consumed just as quickly, and the overall yield might be less than with a grain based substrate.
Here's Stamets again:
"Many grains are, pound-for-pound, particle for particle, more nutritious than most forms of pelletized spawn. . .the danger with this approach is that, as the base nutirition of the substrate is increased, so too is its receptivity to contaminants."
I don't mean to knock mycotek's product (I'm curious to hear how it works), I just thought it would be useful to explain the science behind it, since it is in the public domain.
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#584541 - 03/20/02 06:32 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Anonymous]
#584602 - 03/20/02 07:49 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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> What does vermiclute have to do with it?
Because you are making a substrate for cakes, that ought to be superiour to classic PF cakes which, as we all know, use vermiculite.
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Kindnug]
#584935 - 03/21/02 03:15 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry I didn't get to updating quicker, but here is a pic of that pint; this time at close to 4 days (about 3 3/4). I'll probably birth it in 2.
I think the pint glass might be a bit too thick, it definitely doesn't breathe very well. I have some cheap Walmart plastic cups that I started using yesterday, I'll post pics of those tomorrow at 48 hours. Peace!!
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 Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Kindnug]
#584937 - 03/21/02 03:25 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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HOLLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!!
Let me get this straight.... This last pic was taken 3 3/4 days after inoculation with a syringe, is that correct??
If so, this gang-shroomer is totaly impresed! It's actually hard to believe. 
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 Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Jammer]
#584950 - 03/21/02 03:46 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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"first batch spawned on 3-17."
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Means that the mycelium was already growing on grain or some other spawn.
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 Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Joshua]
#584957 - 03/21/02 03:56 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you sir!!
Man, for awhile there I really had thought that I had lossed touch with shit!
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Jammer]
#584961 - 03/21/02 04:08 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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correct Joshua, this was spawned from a Pint grain jar that was innoculated on 3-6 at 4:00 am to be specific. So in total time you are definitely right back up to around the time it takes for a speedy BRF cake, but if you can manage to stagger your grain jars and use a different strain for each jar in each batch you are set. The natural differences in speeds will make sure that you always have a jar within a day or two of when you need it. So for me, it really was only 4 days because I had the shit planned out so that I would have at least a few jars ready to spawn with when I got the substrate from Mycotek.
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Kindnug]
#585827 - 03/21/02 10:32 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here we go, almost done. Should be 100% colonized by the morning, when it hits the 5 day mark.. Pretty good for a Pint glass after all
Okay, got back to that half pint finally, this thing is pretty much 100% colonized, and it was spawned 3-18 at 6:00pm. Picture was just taken at 11:00pm 3 days later. This is my first cake 100% colonized in 3 days, very close to the pics that myco posted but better, this is the tall skinny (I think they take a bit longer usually?), and I'm a fuck I always pack the jars down a bit at the top to get more in.
lightning fast stuff
Edited by Kindnug (03/21/02 10:40 PM)
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Kindnug]
#585841 - 03/21/02 10:49 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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They're great cakes kindnug ......that coco substrate is pretty good so far by the experiments....
- pity you can't ship this sort of stuff o.s. huh.....
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: zhukov]
#585942 - 03/22/02 01:18 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am having no trouble with contams and my pint glasses are about 20-25% colonized. They were done at 8:30 pm on 3/19. I crumbled one brf cake, colonized by treasure coast. Dung!!!! I knew I smelled shit after it was hydrated. My girlfriend was so pissed. " you brought shit into the apartment. For christ sake, we flush it away. Why would you bring it back in?" Love the girl anyway. Hopefully will get her to trip with the first batch off my super strate cakes. She just doesn't get what I see in these little mushrooms and why I'm so fixated on growing them right and investing the money. She does like the fact that they look like penises. Maybe thats how I'll get her to down a gram.
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: mpython6]
#586138 - 03/22/02 08:19 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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move her up to an eighth.. That's where things really start to get interesting.
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#586197 - 03/22/02 09:28 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, looks good... how does one obtain this mixture? I would love to try it with some birdseed EQ jars I have cooking, but I see no way to order on your site..
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: sloluva]
#586205 - 03/22/02 09:41 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah Yeah Yeah. Where can I can some of that there 'strate. I looked at yer site and couldn't find any for sale.
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Anonymous]
#586286 - 03/22/02 11:13 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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I knew there was some dung in there, seems like pretty small amounts though from the very light smell compared to the real deal stuff. I actually have been smelling that more powerful myc smell every since the beginning of the second day, now it is overwhelming!!! I should have at least a few half-pints in later tonight!!!!! Hope it's not too early. A level 3-4 trip from 1.2 grams? Holy Shit, I think I'll eat my whole first harvest fresh and see what happens!!!
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Anonymous]
#586288 - 03/22/02 11:19 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Like I've mentioned before, I would suggest in a month or even a few weeks or so have a little contest or even sell it at cost to a handful of people on here who want to test it on another app and can properly explain how it may be of some use (I actually have a few ideas myslelf). Just send out like 2 or 4 jars worth, enough to test it out properly and with the agreement that you will share your experiment and results, not simply just saying "It works". At least a couple return pictures should be required, especially if you decide to send some out free.
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Kindnug]
#587484 - 03/23/02 04:44 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was going to use ye olde PFtek. I always expect the worst anyway. The idea of a substrate with resistence to contams is the key attraction. Since you say it dehydrates quickly, I suppose I could inject water into the cakes along the way. I'll give a coco coir casing mix a try, too.
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Anonymous]
#588529 - 03/24/02 09:39 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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sorry, had to fly out of town for a day. Here is the first thing that I've done tonight, birthing the Pint glass into the pod. I'll have my third pod completely loaded up by later tonight with half-pints
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Kindnug]
#589027 - 03/25/02 02:02 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay, here is my brand new pod that I got a week ago finally loaded up with the goods, mycotek's new coconut substrate (pre sterilized). The middle cake is Treasure Coast (3-17), the front cake is a PR (3-18), and the other five toward the back are Hawaiian (3-18). They were 100% colonized for 24-48 hours before birth.
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Kindnug]
#589158 - 03/25/02 04:53 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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at the pic kindnug and looking at my jars, how am I supposed to tell if the cakes are fully colonized. Your cakes look pretty splotchy with mycelium growth, I know this is how they're supposed to look based on previous posts, but what should I look for when it comes to complete colonization? myco-tek, kindnug, anyone with experience with the cocostrate?
thanks
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Anonymous]
#589416 - 03/25/02 08:48 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I innoculated this rye grain cake and just by luck the multispore injection turned out quite good. So I'm working with a strong culture that has good rhizomorphs, its a good thing too cause I think it's the only reason I'm seeing growth in the oversaturated cakes- sorry kindnug for messing up your log- peace
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Anonymous]
#589574 - 03/26/02 12:32 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's hard for me to believe the differences between the middle cake and the outer 6 are a result of anything other than the extra day and a half that the middle cake was incubating and colonizing. This coupled with the fact that the middle cake was in a porous plastic cup compared to small non-porous glass. Anyways that is how I feel at the moment. I should be able to tell better in a day or so, I'll update with some close ups of a couple of different cakes. And I should have some more of those TC cakes in soon too, half-pints from the same batch
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Kindnug]
#589712 - 03/26/02 05:01 AM (23 years, 30 days ago) |
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Duz MrMan still work for Myco-Tek? He is going to help me with my fart scooter I hoep.
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Anonymous]
#590426 - 03/26/02 09:03 PM (23 years, 30 days ago) |
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Update Central!! I'm having some problems here folks. Last night and today I lost a whole batch (6 half-pints) due to I think a weak strained BRF cake. It was kind of old too, but not 100% colonized for too long. I also lost earlier today 2 TC cakes that had been birthed in the pod approximately 14 hours. Tough to say but I may not have noticed the spots last night, I still can only see them with a flashlight right now. The bad thing is that those 2 are from the same batch as that large really nice looking TC cake in my previous posts. And they looked very nice too, unfortunately I just picked up these minute spots of green trich today. Sorry if I don't make sense right now, I ate 4 grams of mostly dried PR's. I'll post some new pics tonight, I've got some cakes going in.
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Anonymous]
#590605 - 03/27/02 12:12 AM (23 years, 30 days ago) |
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I didn't even toss out the two that had green trich appearing, instead I put them in a tray ouside of the pod to watch and see? I made a large cut and took probably a tablespoon of substrate around the contam so as not to touch it. That has been in a seperate closed jar for 12 hours so far and has shown no sign of any added contamination; only vigorous myc growth (from the cut). Could I have made a mistake? It is most definitely a bright green; it is probably still too small to take a pic though. Well, I guess I'll just keep an eye and maybe try and get them back in if they seem okay. Peace
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Re: mycotek's new coconut strate in use [Re: Kindnug]
#590616 - 03/27/02 12:24 AM (23 years, 30 days ago) |
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This scares me a little, the whole "presterilized substrate" is what I really love about this coco, hopefully it will turn out to work... Maybe we shouldnt underestimate contams when spawning this stuff, what do you think?
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