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Oh, those young scamps!
    #5836497 - 07/08/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Found this at http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1130
Need we guess the religious affiliations of the "youths" in question? Boldface in the following cut and paste is my own, not the author's --

“Youths” Kick Man to Death on Crowded Antwerp Bus

From the desk of Paul Belien on Mon, 2006-06-26 21:38

The Belgian state is no longer able to guarantee the security of its citizens. On Saturday afternoon Guido Demoor, a 54-year old Flemish train conductor on his way to work, was kicked to death by six “youths” on a crowded bus near Antwerp’s Central Station. The incident recalls the rush-hour murder ten weeks ago of Joe Van Holsbeeck, 17 years of age, in a crowded Brussels Central Station on 12 April.

Guido Demoor, a father of two, intervened when six “youths” got on bus 23 in Antwerp and began to intimidate passengers. There were some forty people on the bus. Demoor asked the “youths” to calm down, whereupon they turned on him, savagely beating and kicking the man. At the next stop thirty passengers fled the bus. The thugs kept beating Demoor. They then pulled the emergency brake and jumped from the bus leaving their victim to die.

Three Moroccans, two of whom are minors, were arrested today. The website of the Dutch paper De Stentor reports tonight that a fourth suspect, believed to be the ringleader, fled into a shop as the police were poised to arrest him. He managed to escape from the shop when dozens of “youths” came to his rescue. Witnesses had described the culprits as immigrant youths of between 18 and 21 years of age. During the weekend the police had called for witnesses as only four people had come forward. The police offered the witnesses absolute confidentiality and promised not to reveal their identities. “Obviously people fear reprisals,” Gazet van Antwerpen wrote today.

Belgians do not have a constitutional or legal right to bear arms, not even purely defensive arms such as peppersprays [Nor have British citizens had that right either for the last several years -- Phred]. With the police and the government failing to protect law-abiding citizens the latter are, however, totally unprotected. Saturday’s murder has shocked bus drivers and train conductors, but they stress that they are not in the least surprised. Violence on public transport has become a fact of life.

“You see what happens if you intervene,” one of Guido Demoor’s colleagues at Belgian Rail is quoted in the newspaper De Morgen today. “If Guido had not opened his mouth he would still be alive. [...] He was a good man. I would not have dared to do what Guido did. I was beaten up once and since then I have become very careful.”

Another colleague told the newspaper Het Nieuwsblad: “After the Van Holsbeeck murder some whined that no-one had intervened. Guido did intervene and paid with his life.” After the assassination of Joe Van Holsbeeck Belgium’s Cardinal Danneels had said that Joe was a victim of “the indifference in Belgian society” because no-one had come to his rescue when two youths stabbed him to death for not handing over his MP3 player.

Today the Cardinal issued a statement saying: “Guido Demoor acted very bravely. The fact that he paid with his life does not mean that he acted wrongly.” In contemporary Belgium it is heroic for an unarmed adult to tell immigrant youths to calm down.

An Antwerp bus driver told De Morgen: “These youths can be very aggressive. If you say one wrong word they throw themselves on you. I do not dare to say anything. I keep my mouth shut.” Public transport passengers declared: “They call you names in a language you do not understand, shouting and abusing you. What can you do? Who can you call for help? I do not know.”

A train conductor told Het Nieuwsblad: “This incident happened on a bus, but it could also have happened on a train. To be honest, I have been working in Brussels’ Midi Station [where the international trains from Paris and London arrive] for 27 years and I am happy to be still alive. I have been eye to eye with aggressive pickpockets on many occasions. These men have no qualms about hurting people. I am not sure that I would intervene if I witness an incident. I do not want to risk my life.”

The unrest among railroad employees after the Demoor murder is huge. Some want to go on strike to pressure the government to give them protection. The Independent Union of Train Personnel (OVS), however, has asked its members not to strike. “Laying down our work would only harm the passengers and make them the victims of incidents for which they are not to blame,” OVS spokesman Hugo De Rycke said. He stressed, however, that the authorities have to do something. De Rycke explained that bus 23 on which Demoor was murdered is known to be dangerous. “Because [bus 23] is so dangerous Belgian Rail at one point provided taxis to take employees to work [in Antwerp’s Central Station]. However, the taxi service was abolished because it proved too expensive,” he said.

Problems occur not only in major Belgian cities, such as Antwerp and Brussels, but also in provincial towns, such as Sint-Niklaas. Last week bus drivers in Sint-Niklaas refused to drive out in protest against the aggressive behaviour of immigrant youths on the buses. In today’s De Morgen drivers, who have all asked to remain anonymous for fear of reprisals, relate experiences of “buses being demolished while en route” and of “youths harassing girls, who beg the driver to protect them.” One of the drivers said: “If they refuse to buy a ticket I leave it. I do not want to be beaten up for one and a half euros.”

Another driver said: “Last week an old man was beaten up on my bus. The youths were angry because he did not put away his luggage fast enough. They hit him on the eye and threw the luggage on his lap. [...] A bus drive lasts forty minutes. Sometimes they pester and provoke you for a full forty minutes. I remain calm, but some of my colleagues are not able to do so and get into trouble. If I ever get into trouble, I will do as one colleague did recently. He left his vehicle at the bus station and got off, never to return to this job.” Guido Demoor never even got off the bus.





This isn't the first time I've shaken my head in wonderment at the Euro-weenie mentality. No constitutional or legal right to bear even defensive arms.

Imagine "youths" trying to pull this shit on a bus in... oh... let's say Texas. There'd be a minimum of five passengers going all Bernard Goetz on them in less time than it would take a youth to utter "Allahu akhbar!"




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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Phred]
    #5836839 - 07/08/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yea... Reminds me of Chechens. The same thing happens in Russia. Basically the Chechens travel together and if anyone fucks with them they will get beaten the fuck up.


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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Phred]
    #5836923 - 07/08/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

same here in australia,we have no rights to bare arms whatsover.
our police are actually wanting the tax payers to instal bullet proof screens at police stations!

we unarmed people are on the otherside with the killers

even if we do defend ourselves unarmed its politically correct for the law to accuse the defender with some crime and leave it to the defender to prove himself innocent
its beyond the joke now


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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: quiver]
    #5837612 - 07/09/06 12:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not sure what to say, these immigrant youth have been given an opportunity for a good life, and what do they do? They kill people for their mp3 players, or for *asking* them to chill out. This makes me sick.


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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Phred]
    #5837864 - 07/09/06 03:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Belgians do not have a constitutional or legal right to bear arms, not even purely defensive arms such as peppersprays

"Purely defensive"? So if I walk up to you and spray you with pepperspray in attack instead of defence it has no effect?

Go figure  :rolleyes:

Imagine "youths" trying to pull this shit on a bus in... oh... let's say Texas. There'd be a minimum of five passengers going all Bernard Goetz on them in less time than it would take a youth to utter "Allahu akhbar!"


Does Ohio have guns? Wonder where all the gun owners were while this kid was getting stomped to death in public..

Man Allegedly Beaten To Death For Not Giving Up Cigarette.

Fight Breaks Out At Partners Pub.

CLEVELAND -- Cleveland police say a bar fight ended in murder Sunday.

Ricardo Leon, 23, died after being beaten outside Partners Pub on Dennison Avenue on Cleveland’s west side, NewsChannel5 reported.

Officials believe he was involved in an argument inside the bar when the fight began. Witnesses said he wouldn’t give a cigarette to another bar patron.

Police said about a dozen people helped beat Leon. Neighbors said they have the beating on video.

A man and woman have been arrested and likely will be charged Monday.

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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Phred]
    #5837874 - 07/09/06 04:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What does their religion have to do with it. It doesn't mention anything about their religion.


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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Basilides]
    #5837885 - 07/09/06 04:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think Phred means that if you kick someone to death it's because you're a muslim.


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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Basilides]
    #5838097 - 07/09/06 08:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It has nothing to do with religion. There are adolescents of every faith who are rotten assholes who are nothing but trouble.


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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Basilides]
    #5838883 - 07/09/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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What does their religion have to do with it. It doesn't mention anything about their religion.




I included the link to the article for a reason. If you go to the link and read the comments (which are listed in reverse chronological order -- start with the last comment and work your way back) it becomes immediately apparent that these are in fact Muslims.

Several European nations have the same problem with the "youths" of their unassimilated immigrant population. The Muslim rape gangs of Malmø and other cities in Sweden (and the Muslim youth gangs who simply rob and beat Swedes with impunity), the Muslim youth gangs who burn a few dozen cars every night of the year in France, the increasing level of violence from Muslim youth in the Netherlands and Belgium... even Norway and Denmark face the same problem.

There are two points of interest here --

1) the undeniable fact that the worst troublemakers are Muslim

2) the undeniable fact that the Euros are left helpless by their governments for two reasons -- the ineffective police presence (especially in the UK, but apparently in Belgium and France as well) and the fact that the Euros may not legally defend themselves effectively.




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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Phred]
    #5839176 - 07/09/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"Yutes?"
Could this be the same as those france "Yutes?"


Yutes. = Young Urban Terrorists, Européen


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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: downforpot]
    #5839202 - 07/09/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Yea... Reminds me of Chechens. The same thing happens in Russia. Basically the Chechens travel together and if anyone fucks with them they will get beaten the fuck up.




Odd, isn't it. When two different cultural groups mix, it's never the "Run through the meadows singing KumBaya" bullshit that the liberals, and Zionists, tell us.


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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5839381 - 07/09/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Zionists????? Don't they espouse isolation????? Do you have any fucking idea what you are talking about at all???? I mean AT ALL?


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    #5839394 - 07/09/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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downforpot said:
Yea... Reminds me of Chechens. The same thing happens in Russia. Basically the Chechens travel together and if anyone fucks with them they will get beaten the fuck up.




Odd, isn't it. When two different cultural groups mix, it's never the "Run through the meadows singing KumBaya" bullshit that the liberals, and Zionists, tell us.




I have never gotten into fights with black kids in America... However, I have had plenty of fights with stuck up white pieces of shit.

The problem in Russia is that Russia and Chechnya have been at war for how long?

Again, you keep showing how uneducated you are, sad.


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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5840821 - 07/09/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Zionists????? Don't they espouse isolation????? Do you have any fucking idea what you are talking about at all???? I mean AT ALL?




Oh yes, Zionists espouse isloation for themselves, but those same Zionists are the ones that are also pushing the "benefits" of multiculturalism on the rest of the world. Odd how a heeb like Abe Foxman (ADL, or JDL) would preach how great it is for interracial mingling, then write a letter asking for donations so that more Jews could send their children to Jewish-only schools. Typical jew zionist bullshit.



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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Phred]
    #5841155 - 07/10/06 01:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

There are two points of interest here --

1) the undeniable fact that the worst troublemakers are Muslim


Nonsense. This statement is about as valid as some redneck talking about the "nigras".

) the undeniable fact that the Euros are left helpless by their governments for two reasons -- the ineffective police presence (especially in the UK, but apparently in Belgium and France as well) and the fact that the Euros may not legally defend themselves effectively.


Nonsense. I've just given you an example of someone being stomped to death in america while the neighbours filmed the proceedings. Your claim that it wouldn't happen because everyone would open fire on the baddies is garbage.


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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Alex213]
    #5841730 - 07/10/06 09:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

We are talking about Europe, not North America. Alex, you twist things in such a way, I almost don't want to reply to you. It is plain and clear that the "youth" causing MOST this trouble in Europe are in fact Muslim.

Everyone wouldn't have to open fire on the "baddies", just the person they were attacking.

Did you hear about that 17 year old boy(white) who was killed by Muslims in a crowded train station, because he didn't want to give it to them. If just one of the 100's of people in the area was carrying a gun, maybe that boy would be alive right now.


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    #5841779 - 07/10/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

We are talking about Europe, not North America.

You missed the point. The point is that saying "It's all the fault of the muslims" is as stupid as saying "It's all the fault of the nigras"

It is plain and clear that the "youth" causing MOST this trouble in Europe are in fact Muslim.


Source?

I live in the UK and have never seen a muslim behaving violently in my entire life. How many white guys have I seen behaving violently? Maybe 2-300.

If just one of the 100's of people in the area was carrying a gun, maybe that boy would be alive right now.

And I gave you the example of the guy in Ohio stomped to death in the middle of the street while the neighbours filmed him being killed. Presumably someone in Ohio had a gun?


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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Alex213]
    #5841811 - 07/10/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I agree, to say all crime in Europe is cause by Muslims would be very ignorant and wrong. I just keep seeing news stories, of people being murdered, or cars being set a fire, and more often then not, the perpetrator is Muslim.

I said, maybe that boy would be alive. Showing one example of where nobody did anything, while assuming one had a gun, does not discredit this.


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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Alex213]
    #5842013 - 07/10/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Nobody did anything. Not with a stick or their fists or anything. What makes anybody think that they would have used a gun if they had had one?

These people just need to learn Kung Fu or something.

Is it ok with you if they choose to defend themselves and others with flying fist of the dragon monkey punch?

It's been known to be lethal, especially in muslims who are particularly susceptable to dragon fists and flying monkey punches .


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    #5842050 - 07/10/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I would not punch people who would probably be carrying knives.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5842297 - 07/10/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Most of the crime caused in Russia is caused by Nazis and the Mafia. White people cause crime, right?


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    #5842536 - 07/10/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yes they do, but in proportion to their numbers, Muslims in Europe are causing more crime than they should be. Do you know how proportions work?


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    #5842552 - 07/10/06 01:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

In proportions? My neighbor was shot while walking out of my apartment building back in Russia. And guess what, they didn't do a drive a by, they parked their car and shot him because the cops are on their pay roll.

There are also packs of orphans running around, yea, JUST LIKE IN HOSTEL. I am not shitting you, those little fuckers jump people just like in Hostel but usually they just beat your face in and don't crack your head open.

Then you got the Nazis. Now these guys basically attack all non-caucasions. Asian students, Indian students.... Basically if you are a foreign student from China or Japan, don't go to Russia, those Nazis will either beat the shit out of you or kill you.

Proportions? You didn't give me any statistics or ratios. I gave anecdotal evidence of whites attacking whites and other races. What are you gonna give me? The bombings in Britain? How many people did that kill? How many people does the Mafia and the little nazi cocksuckers kill every year in Russia?

I came to America to escape those fuckers. I have never been in a fight with a black person, never been threatened by one and I went to an all black school my first year in America. So in my life the only people I have ever had beef with were white.

Oh and guess what, while I attended black schools I listened to Korn, Metallica, Sevendust and the black kids didn't give a fuck. They were down, they could care less what I listened to. Here's another thing: There were some white kids in that school and I HATED THEM. This one wigger listened to all rap and acted black and I always had beef with him. WIERD, ain't it. I didn't even listen to hip-hop or rap during that time.


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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: downforpot]
    #5842581 - 07/10/06 02:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Okay, points taken, but you need to learn how to debate. When I raise a point, you should not go on to talk about something un related. What evidence do you need? Remember when France was burning? How about that 17 year old boy who was killed by a pair of Muslims for his MP3 player. How about the gangs of Muslims who rape girls in sweden because "they have it coming for not covering themselve properly". Yes, how about the London bombings, How about that man who was killed on a bus in the Netherlands. I could go on.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5842601 - 07/10/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Okay, points taken, but you need to learn how to debate. When I raise a point, you should not go on to talk about something un related. What evidence do you need? Remember when France was burning? How about that 17 year old boy who was killed by a pair of Muslims for his MP3 player. How about the gangs of Muslims who rape girls in sweden because "they have it coming for not covering themselve properly". Yes, how about the London bombings, How about that man who was killed on a bus in the Netherlands. I could go on.




Ok, so they kill people and russian kill people. You point? People kill people? Also all those stories have been blown up by the news agencies.

The shit I told you was never on the news. I experienced it and so did every other Russian. It is very very common place.


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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: downforpot]
    #5842622 - 07/10/06 02:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Okay, but you can't compare Russia, to Western Europe. They are 2 very different societies. Western Europe has had low crime for a long time, but as more Muslims enter these countries, the crime rates are rising at a disproportionately higher rate.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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    #5842674 - 07/10/06 02:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Okay, but you can't compare Russia, to Western Europe. They are 2 very different societies. Western Europe has had low crime for a long time, but as more Muslims enter these countries, the crime rates are rising at a disproportionately higher rate.




http://www.voicesmag.com/Archives/kouri/February2006/immigration_western_europe_crime_us_022006.htm

That article talks about US crime rate dropping even though more immigrants from Latin America and Muslim counties are comming to the US. So it's not Muslim immigrants. It has more to do with assimilating those immigrants so that they follow the laws.


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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: downforpot]
    #5842704 - 07/10/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Good point. I would argue, from my experience that Muslims do not want to assimilate. They want to live amongst themselves, under their own law, with no respect for their hosts.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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    #5842732 - 07/10/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Good point. I would argue, from my experience that Muslims do not want to assimilate. They want to live amongst themselves, under their own law, with no respect for their hosts.




Well it seems to be different in America. If you go to NYC the Muslim communities have been trying to figure out ways to preserve their own values and at the same time assimilate to the American way of life.

The only Muslims that are causing problems are from the Nation of Islam. The Nation of Islam should be wiped out, that organization is extremely radical. Those guys have been known to destroy liquour stores. Their leader is a complete nutcase too. He said the 9/11 attacks were planned by Jews and that Jews started the slave trade. I know for a fact from AP World History that Muslim merchants were against banning the slave trade because it brought in a lot of money for them. Fucking nut case, I hate that crazy fuck.


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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5842935 - 07/10/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Is the amount of crime compared to the population disproportionate when looking at Muslims, or are the crimes just louder (more press given)? I honestly have no idea.


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    #5842974 - 07/10/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Is the amount of crime compared to the population disproportionate when looking at Muslims, or are the crimes just louder (more press given)? I honestly have no idea.




Yep, just search on BBC for nazi attacks and you will find dozens of incidents in which Nazis attacked, rape, kill people from other countries that visit Russia or live in Russia. That is actually one of the reasons my parents got me out of there. It is straight up turning into Nazi Germany in some areas. The funny thing is that most of the "fresh" nazis are uneducated punks and they are led my old nazi geezers.


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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Redstorm]
    #5843004 - 07/10/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't believe Phred said all the crime is being committed by Muslims, nor did he say that all Muslims are committing crimes. You guys need to learn how to fucking READ.

Re: Alex not Redstorm sorry


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    #5845430 - 07/11/06 12:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You need to go back and "FUCKING read" yourself. This is what phred said

1) the undeniable fact that the worst troublemakers are Muslim


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    #5846952 - 07/11/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Need we guess the religious affiliations of the "youths" in question


Phred




I found this in 30 seconds. This happens all the time in the US which is a mostly christian nation.

YOUTH TRHILL VIOLENCE IS DISTURBING

They were three teenage boys who liked dirt-bikes, beer, metal music and hanging out in North Seattle parks.

He was a homeless man who had seen hard times in jail and slept alone under the freeway among broken glass and weeds.

When prosecutors charged the boys Wednesday in the man's brutal killing, the cruelty of the case jarred criminal-justice experts. It also echoed recent cases in which the young and strong have murdered the weak and vulnerable for no apparent reason.

Last week, police arrested Jay Stewart, 17; Shelton Musgrave, 18; and Michael "Vito" Caffee, 18; after finding David Ballenger's body with 18 stab wounds, five broken ribs and many cuts and bruises. Ballenger had been killed where he slept under the Interstate 5 overpass at Northeast Ravenna Boulevard.

"From my understanding, I don't think there was a motivation other than a rage thing. It almost sounds like a thrill kill," said Seattle Police homicide sergeant Cynthia Tallman.

Fifty-eight-year-old Richard tries to sleep at a shelter when possible because of the threat of violence on the streets. He was manhandled and burned by three young men in a recent incident at Occidental Park.
Meryl Schenker/P-I
Police and prosecutors say they don't see a trend in juvenile crime against transients, but do see a recurrence of savage "pack street attacks" against a lone, vulnerable victim.

"It seems like they're doing it just for fun," said Mike Lang, a King County senior deputy prosecuting attorney in the juvenile unit. About once a month, he sees a case involving young people severely attacking someone for no apparent reason.

In recent months, a group of youths beat a Somali youth into a coma in West Seattle, and another group converged on a Garfield High School baseball player as he was leaving practice.

Juvenile murders of homeless people are rare, Tallman said. "More often, with the transient population, the biggest group of people they need to fear are other transients."

While the motive in Ballenger's killing defied explanation, the attack was similar to these other recent cases involving youths and transients:

Last August, a 17-year-old boy and a 27-year-old man were convicted of beating and robbing a homeless Everett man, whom they dragged to a train track. Then they watched a train run over him.

Last June, a 14-year-old middle-school boy was charged with using a knife and skateboard to kill a homeless man in a Queen Anne park. He later bragged to friends that he killed "a bum" and showed off his skateboard matted with blood and hair.

In 1997, two boys, 12 and 13, were charged with setting a man on fire while he slept on a downtown bus bench, after one of them said, "Let's go mess with the drunk dude."

Experts were at a loss to explain the attacks, other than the usual culprits: Violence in the media, lack of morals, bad parenting.

Lt. Neil Low of the Seattle police juvenile unit said yesterday he believes the severity of juvenile crime has increased, while the frequency has remained low. He recalled a case last year in which a group of kids had beaten a sleeping homeless man at Sixth Avenue and Pine Street for no reason.

"I remember being disgusted, thinking, why do you have to jump a homeless man sleeping in a bedroll?" he said. "Things like that make you wonder what's going on with values."

On the streets yesterday, many homeless people hadn't heard of the killing and said it had little effect on their lives.

"I heard some dude got stabbed," said Johnny Stanford, a 38-year-old man working at the Bread of Life Mission. "People die all the time. You got to sleep with one eye open and one eye closed."

Some advocates for the homeless said they often saw teenagers pick on transients; others said it rarely happened.

"I've seen young kids hit and push on homeless people, cause they can't defend themselves," said Loren Beason, a bookkeeper at the Bread of Life. He recalled seeing seven to eight youths beating on a homeless man on a wheelchair and going through his pockets.

"When you see that, you don't want to get involved," he said.

Recently, Richard, a 58-year-old man who's seen better days, was sitting on a bench in Occidental Park. Suddenly, three young men hollered, "Where's your money?" They began rummaging through his pockets, but found nothing. Then one of the men crushed a burning cigarette out on his cheek, he said.

"I saw red after that. It hurt," he said. He had been in the army, had worked as a cable splicer for Boeing, and had been married in Portland. The attack made him wary of the streets and wanting a gun, but he had nowhere else to go.

"I just feel now, I don't fit in," he said. "I never thought it would happen to me, being an older man. They don't have respect, these guys."


That's just in seattle btw..


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    #5847154 - 07/11/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Moroccans = muslims


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    #5847261 - 07/11/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That site is obviously Jewish propaganda. I do agree with some of it though.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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    #5847905 - 07/11/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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That site is obviously Jewish propaganda. I do agree with some of it though.




You won't find him posting any legitimate sources.


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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: downforpot]
    #5849503 - 07/12/06 12:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Phred's original source was pretty poor too. The "Brussels journal" is a worthless rag of the extreme right. The author is about as deranged a right-winger as you can find.


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    #5849544 - 07/12/06 12:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Are you saying Guido Demoor was not beaten to death by youths on a bus in Brussels? The author got that wrong?




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    #5849562 - 07/12/06 01:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No, I'm saying Belien is a notorious extreme right-winger and anyone reading his stories should bear this in mind. Kind of how you always say "It's by the Guardian" to discredit a story.

Lets face it the guardian is a fair bit more trustworthy than a peice of shit like Paul Belien.


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    #5849985 - 07/12/06 06:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

So what part of his story is inaccurate? Are you saying Belgians DO have the legal right to bear arms for the purpose of self defense?

Out of curiosity I checked a few other Belgian sources on this story. Most were written in Dutch, but a few were written in English. I have been unable to discover a discrepancy between Belien's reporting and the reporting in the others -- at least the ones written in English.




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    #5850168 - 07/12/06 08:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

So what part of his story is inaccurate?

Well the very first line is obviously bullshit.

Since when has a state ever been able to guarantee your security?


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    #5850408 - 07/12/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The truth is still the truth, even if the source has an agenda. I hate when people dismiss things because they don't agree with the beliefs of the source, even though there is no shadow of a doubt that the story is infact true.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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    #5850426 - 07/12/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The state cannot Guarantee your security, but it can take an active roll to protect you. There is a big difference between guaranteeing safety and doing nothing. I think Phred is saying the state should do SOMETHING. Alex, you really try and twist things, no one said the state can guarantee safety, but it doesn't have to sit back while its citizens get murdered, raped, beaten, and robbed and an unprecedented rate.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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    #5853580 - 07/13/06 01:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
The truth is still the truth, even if the source has an agenda. I hate when people dismiss things because they don't agree with the beliefs of the source, even though there is no shadow of a doubt that the story is infact true.




Amusingly whenever phred sees an article from the guardian - a mainstream news source - he usually comments on the source rather than the story. When he sees an article by a far right crank like belien he insists on ignoring the source.


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    #5853591 - 07/13/06 01:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not commenting on what Phred has said. I'm commenting on the first line of the article that says:

The Belgian state is no longer able to guarantee the security of its citizens.

Read this statement carefully and you'll realise I'm not twisting anything. He says the belgian state is "NO LONGER" able to guarantee their security. In other words at some time in the past the Belgian state WAS able to guarantee your security. This is nonsense. No state can ever guarantee anyone's security. Not even if they have armed guards around you 24 hours a day. If you don't believe me go and read about what happened to a guy called JFK.


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    #5854120 - 07/13/06 10:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Okay, I see your point, but 10 years ago the simple existance of the state protected its people, for the most part. People would not commit crimes, for fear of being punished by the state. While it was not a guarantee, it was pretty damn close.

Now, you have people coming in, who don't respect the culture, the laws, and the native people. The state will have to step up their roll in providing security, keep the trouble makers out, or let the people protect themselves. I doubt any of these options will happen, so Belgians will continue to be picked off in their own country while the population grows more angry.

Europe is going to explode with rage eventually, IMO. Here in Canada, new comers for the most part respect our country. From the sounds of things(France, etc) Europe's new comers have little to no respect for their host countries. This is of course not the case for all new comers, just enough to cause serious problems in the future.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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    #5854454 - 07/13/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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