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Alex213
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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Phred]
#5849562 - 07/12/06 01:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, I'm saying Belien is a notorious extreme right-winger and anyone reading his stories should bear this in mind. Kind of how you always say "It's by the Guardian" to discredit a story.
Lets face it the guardian is a fair bit more trustworthy than a peice of shit like Paul Belien.
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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Alex213]
#5849985 - 07/12/06 06:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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So what part of his story is inaccurate? Are you saying Belgians DO have the legal right to bear arms for the purpose of self defense?
Out of curiosity I checked a few other Belgian sources on this story. Most were written in Dutch, but a few were written in English. I have been unable to discover a discrepancy between Belien's reporting and the reporting in the others -- at least the ones written in English.
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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Phred]
#5850168 - 07/12/06 08:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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So what part of his story is inaccurate?
Well the very first line is obviously bullshit.
Since when has a state ever been able to guarantee your security?
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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Alex213]
#5850408 - 07/12/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The truth is still the truth, even if the source has an agenda. I hate when people dismiss things because they don't agree with the beliefs of the source, even though there is no shadow of a doubt that the story is infact true.
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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5850426 - 07/12/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The state cannot Guarantee your security, but it can take an active roll to protect you. There is a big difference between guaranteeing safety and doing nothing. I think Phred is saying the state should do SOMETHING. Alex, you really try and twist things, no one said the state can guarantee safety, but it doesn't have to sit back while its citizens get murdered, raped, beaten, and robbed and an unprecedented rate.
-------------------- Capliberty: "I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "
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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5853580 - 07/13/06 01:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
alpharedecho said: The truth is still the truth, even if the source has an agenda. I hate when people dismiss things because they don't agree with the beliefs of the source, even though there is no shadow of a doubt that the story is infact true.
Amusingly whenever phred sees an article from the guardian - a mainstream news source - he usually comments on the source rather than the story. When he sees an article by a far right crank like belien he insists on ignoring the source.
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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5853591 - 07/13/06 01:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not commenting on what Phred has said. I'm commenting on the first line of the article that says:
The Belgian state is no longer able to guarantee the security of its citizens.
Read this statement carefully and you'll realise I'm not twisting anything. He says the belgian state is "NO LONGER" able to guarantee their security. In other words at some time in the past the Belgian state WAS able to guarantee your security. This is nonsense. No state can ever guarantee anyone's security. Not even if they have armed guards around you 24 hours a day. If you don't believe me go and read about what happened to a guy called JFK.
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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Alex213]
#5854120 - 07/13/06 10:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay, I see your point, but 10 years ago the simple existance of the state protected its people, for the most part. People would not commit crimes, for fear of being punished by the state. While it was not a guarantee, it was pretty damn close.
Now, you have people coming in, who don't respect the culture, the laws, and the native people. The state will have to step up their roll in providing security, keep the trouble makers out, or let the people protect themselves. I doubt any of these options will happen, so Belgians will continue to be picked off in their own country while the population grows more angry.
Europe is going to explode with rage eventually, IMO. Here in Canada, new comers for the most part respect our country. From the sounds of things(France, etc) Europe's new comers have little to no respect for their host countries. This is of course not the case for all new comers, just enough to cause serious problems in the future.
-------------------- Capliberty: "I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "
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Re: Oh, those young scamps! [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5854454 - 07/13/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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