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Are you telepathic?
    #5834739 - 07/08/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That is do you belive its possible or have you had experience in communicating with other people telepathicly?

Surprising as it is if you survey a bunch of people off line i think the results would have lot more yes answers. I dont know why but i noticed that is the case for some reason, i met more people offline that are in touch with their psychic abilities than online. Weird eh,a drug induced enlightened gathering of peeps, youd imagine be more psychich.
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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Jalruza]
    #5834770 - 07/08/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

mabye you can judge what somone says based on their facial expressions but it would be impossible to talk to someone say if they were in different countries... theres no such thing as phychic abilities, its based on facial expressions and the patterns humans express, they are very consistent...


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Jalruza]
    #5834815 - 07/08/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have this weird thing happen to me every now and then:

I will get an idea in my head about something; it could be a particular TV show episode, or a song, or anything at all, but later in the day I will encounter exactly what had been the subject of my thoughts.

Like, for instance, I could think of an episode of a TV show. I never watch TV but once a week or so, but that night I'll turn-on the TV and start flipping-through channels -- only to find that that particular episode is playing right then.

Or maybe I can be thinking about some real-world subject; maybe ancient Egyptians, airplane designs, deep-sea exploration, whatever. Later that day someone will bring-up that exact, seldom spoken-of subject in a conversation.

At first you would think it to be all coincidence, but it happens so frequently that I sometimes doubt that it was just coincidence. Perhaps I have some sort of telepathy?


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Jalruza]
    #5836910 - 07/08/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think that before asking people if they believe themselves to be telepathic, we need to ask if anyone, anywhere, ever has obtained sensory information from the external world in a way that can not be explained through our current understanding of the mind. And then, we must ask if this experience was really supernatural, or just seems to be telepathic in nature because of our limited understanding. Then maybe we can start finding out who among us is a telepath.


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Life_of_a_Cell]
    #5836978 - 07/08/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Life_of_a_Cell said:
I think that before asking people if they believe themselves to be telepathic, we need to ask if anyone, anywhere, ever has obtained sensory information from the external world in a way that can not be explained through our current understanding of the mind.  And then, we must ask if this experience was really supernatural, or just seems to be telepathic in nature because of our limited understanding.  Then maybe we can start finding out who among us is a telepath.




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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5837450 - 07/08/06 11:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe it was swami who always said it, or it was in someone's signature,.... but it was a quote that basically said if psychic powers existed, then casino's wouldn't.


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Jalruza]
    #5837604 - 07/09/06 12:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Using purely the powers of my intuition I can manipulate the thoughts of movie posters.


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Re: Are you telepathic? *DELETED* [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5837724 - 07/09/06 01:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: soulcircus]
    #5837903 - 07/09/06 05:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

notwithstanding the casino measure of all things (which works well for swami, but he is not here now to explain it in dollars and sense) I do think we are all fundamentally intuitive. occasionally this translates as telepathy.

all of our thought is associative (idea connections via simmilarities), and, when the aggregate of association is finding common keys accross huge ranges of experiences, what crops up can be much too difficult to explain when compared to dealing cards or spinning roulette (i.e. intuition).

oddly when the chance of winning a pot of gold is added into the aggregate, the distortion due to many associations of desire for the free money will bend the intuitive mind forcefully off into goofy karma like directions.

the aggregate of the intuitive mind includes a kind of sense of just self, it works by simmilarity moderated by ballancing.


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5838023 - 07/09/06 07:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think that intuition is a function of our limbic brain, which responds to emotional (non-verbal) cues in our environment, and translates them into gut feelings/hunches.

Casino dealers are unlikely to be very emotional about the upcoming incidence of red/black, Ace of Spades, as they do not know in advance, so we have no cues to read, and no intuitive/limbic response.

I think much of what is interpreted as neo-cortical "telepathy," or reading someone's thoughts, is either a mutual limbic response to environmental cues, or an intuitive reading of someone's non-verbal cues.

Studies in human communication (my original college major) have shown that non-verbal cues convey most of the content in spoken communication:

7% Spoken words
38% Tone of voice
55% Non Verbal

So if we eliminate spoken words and tone of voice, we still have 55% of the "channel" of communication.


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Veritas]
    #5838033 - 07/09/06 08:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Verily great reasoning. :thumbup:

:wink:

Case closed, you may all shut the fuck up now. :mad:

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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Veritas]
    #5838176 - 07/09/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I think much of what is interpreted as neo-cortical "telepathy," or reading someone's thoughts, is either a mutual limbic response to environmental cues, or an intuitive reading of someone's non-verbal cues.
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I fundamentally agree with communication being derived from the aggregate of combined information from gesture posture mask and all that comes in on every channel (IMO this all-together stuff is the core of intuition - you could be saying that our communication is already largely intuitive)

We need to see the way the limbic system is involved in "feelings" which are compulsion or impulsion oriented - like extra ons to what is happenning - it kicks in juice or voltage in synch with motifs that emerge in the associative process, and it is partially associative controlled both by cortex and hormones.

It is not a thinking piece of the brain, but since it operates as a cranked voltage rhythm organ it could possibly pick up some external matched electical waves (in the air?) and generate something from a sympathetic carrier, but it is more in the way of assent or deny, approach or fight or "run away"


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5838218 - 07/09/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You are lumping together the limbic brain with the reptilian brain. The limbic brain is more recent in our evolution, and less understood than either the neo-cortex or the R-brain.

Roughly, the neo-cortex is what makes us homo sapiens sapiens. It gives us the capacity to consider ourselves, to think about our own thoughts, to analyze.

The limbic brain is responsible for emotional impulses, heart and gut feelings, intuition, connection & bonding with others. Think of the difference in behavior between mammals and reptiles & you see the action of this "center."

The reptilian, or R-brain, is our fight-or-flight center. Survival instincts, aggression, fear, reflexes, all originate here.


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Veritas]
    #5838224 - 07/09/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"Limbic" is such a funny word.... :grin:

They should have called it The Boink Brain, or something...

Don't ask...

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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5838229 - 07/09/06 10:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:  Well, the reptilian brain could accurately be called the "boink, bonk or bolt" brain.


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Veritas]
    #5838262 - 07/09/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You weren't suspossed to take what I said and turn it into something that actually makes sense. :mad:

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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5838291 - 07/09/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry, it is in my nature to recycle. :lol:


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Veritas]
    #5838339 - 07/09/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I can appreciate an extra wrinkle but I wood rather boink than bolt
but you're so telepathic
you already knew that


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5838357 - 07/09/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You're a lover, not a flighter.  :wink:


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Veritas]
    #5838372 - 07/09/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

so what am I thinking now?
(such a flirt!)


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5838379 - 07/09/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Veritas]
    #5838629 - 07/09/06 12:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I just walked over to my bookcase/divider thing, and started getting into the bag of Beggin Wraps. My dog seemed to know that he was going to get a treat without it actually being communicated.... I then took the treat, not letting him actually see it, and kept switching it between each hand, so that he could not see which hand it was in. I then moved my arms to each side and asked him what hand the treat was in...

He instantly jumped up, with one paw raised, and moved towards my left hand. I handed him the treat from my left hand, making the transfer one smooth process.

Perhaps my dog is telepathic? :eek:

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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5838688 - 07/09/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5838810 - 07/09/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Perhaps my dog is telepathic?

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Or, perhaps you spent too much time behind the computer, never bothered to develop your psychic senses, never bothering to meet new people besides family friends or relatives or  2nd grade school buddies who could shed some insight on hows things are in the 21 century?


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5838852 - 07/09/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Okay this is what I've got to say about telepathy from an evolution based viewpoint. I think in many instances the human species as a whole is de-evolving. Not completely, just in some instances. Telepathy is a prime product for my example. It is widely known and accepted that spoken language came before written language. Our languages as we know them today all evolved from what was once simple grunts and calls. If you disagree and like the bible, and how Adam and Eve just miraculously could talk (thanks to god) take it that way too either way spoken language came before written. I believe that telepathy is how we communicated before we made a definitive language based on moaning and grunting, and now that we have spoken word and written word people don't use telepathy and aren't nearly as skilled with it as our ancestors. So now arises the conflict of evolution versus de-evolution, are we progressing or digressing? I think its digression overall. Our potential is far greater than anyone has ever begun to become. Its undeniable in the fact that we hardly use our brains. Even the greatest geniuses, wise men, shamans and philosophers hardly have begun to tap into the powers of the human brain although certainly more so than most. I think everyone has a telepathic ability within them they are just conformed into not using that part of the brain. I could rant for hours on the subject but no. I digress....


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Jalruza]
    #5838878 - 07/09/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:

Yes, of course, when there is nothing substansial to discuss, and when others directly address this, thus begins the personal analysis and discussion of the person themself. Fucking sweet! Its been awhile.... I miss having others tell me who I am :grin:

If your assessment of my character is reflective of your own psychic ability, I'd suggest you do some developing of your psychic senses yourself. :lol:

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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5838974 - 07/09/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Look at him cool guy haha, knows everything etheres to know abou t spirituality and life haha


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Jalruza]
    #5838981 - 07/09/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hey, sweet, you must have fixed your reception, its like you're reading my mind. :lol:

Do you get DirectTV as well? :smirk:

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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5839154 - 07/09/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Perhaps my dog is telepathic?

I have a friend who is a fire fighter. A few years ago the station mascot, a German Shepherd as it happens, appeared to develop telepathy. About 30 seconds before every fire call, the dog would jump up and get very exited barking and running around.

This happened with remarkable consistency and some of the fire fighters actually began to believe the dog was somehow telepathically linked to the 911 dispatchers.

After some objective testing, I discovered that the dog was tuning into a relay clicking in the communications shed behind the station. The sound was, for humans, an order quieter than the noise floor, but the dog had no trouble hearing it.

Needless to say, the 'believers' felt a little silly once the truth was discovered.

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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Diploid]
    #5858070 - 07/14/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

First off, if people actually read what I said, they would know I have nothing figured out, or am I under the impression that I do. What I said was a direct representation of MY thoughts and theories as they stand at the current point in my life. Clues like 'I think' or 'I believe' certainly should've tipped off anyone who would even think to wander into a Philosophy & Spirituality forum in to the fact that what I say is not a fact, and therefore is not knowledge. Ridicule me if you like but that brings me to my second point as much as I'm willing to admit that I don't KNOW, are you? You certainly think you KNOW I'm wrong, laughing because "Look at him cool guy haha, knows everything theres to know about spirituality and life", you cannot prove me wrong and if you could I'd listen to your knowledge because surely a great man who KNOWS anything at all on the matter has something to teach me. Again I digress, you certainly could not prove that my theories are wrong therefore cannot possibly have any relevant argument against the claims I make. For my claims as they were stated were represented as thoughts and beliefs.


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #5858361 - 07/14/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Again I digress, you certainly could not prove that my theories are wrong therefore cannot possibly have any relevant argument against the claims I make.




I have an invisible dragon in my garage. You can't disprove this conclusively, therefore I do. Your logic sucks.


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Life_of_a_Cell]
    #5858634 - 07/14/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Just because you say you have a dragon doesn't mean the dragon exists, it just means YOU SAY you have a dragon. You're right I cannot disprove your dragon for a) It's invisible so how could I see it and b) I've never been in your garage, at least it certainly is not likely. However, just because I can't disprove your statement doesn't mean you can prove it, which is equally relevant. Therefore my logic still stands I'm not saying its right, but it certainly has not been disproved. At least not by anyone here trying to. If you can indeed prove anything I say wrong when dealing with philosophy, spirituality, or logic again I say show me I'd love to be enlightened by one who is wiser than I because I am sure of nothing regarding these things, for they are ideas not facts.


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #5858814 - 07/14/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No one responded to your post.  Why do you think that people are ridiculing you?  :confused:


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Jalruza]
    #5858881 - 07/14/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"Look at him cool guy haha, knows everything etheres to know about spirituality and life haha"

I certainly hope so...he's been giving me advice for years.


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5859309 - 07/14/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:

Do you think he is jealous? My insight is applicable in my own life, at least, and I sense that it benefits my life, so that is enough for me... if anyone else is able to gain anything from my expressions, then so much the better, especially since I have gained from theirs as well. :wink:

You can all consider yourself lucky that I do not offer financial advice... well, not that, but that I do not offer advice on how to apply financial advice. :grin:  I know I will have hot water again someday. :smirk:

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Peace. :mushroom2:


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For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5859310 - 07/14/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well i hadn't realized i wasn't being criticized, but instead someone else was. I misread a few posts. It wasn't until after i posted however that I realized this. However I stuck with the subject of my second post when a response said my logic sucks. Therefore I did not delete what would've otherwise been irrelevant. I admit I made a mistake and I would've of kindly deleted the 2nd post and left my theories as stated after i realized had it not been to the reply.  :bigblunt:


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #5859568 - 07/14/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Alright, sorry I said your logic sucked, that's an immature flame for me to post.

What I stand by saying though, is that just because somethign can't be disproved conclusively, say that extraterrestrials make crop circles, it can still be argued against relevantly. So even though I'm not 100% positive it wasn't done by aliens, the repeated admissions of crop circle artists that they were making designs in grain fields as hoaxes shows that this can easily be done by humans. The alien hypothesis can't be disproved, but the arguments against it are strong enough that occam's razor allows us to dismiss these claims.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but claims lacking evidence to support them can be dismissed without evidence.

We cool, G?


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Re: Are you telepathic? [Re: Life_of_a_Cell]
    #5859671 - 07/14/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

We always were cool, I never had a problem, only a reply.

I agree with you to an extent but when dealing with the human brain, beliefs, ideals, philosophies, etc. i like to keep an open mind. I'm not calling you closed minded by any means please don't misinterpret what I say. I agree crop circles from aliens cannot be disproved or proved and yes its very possible that a human can do it. Lets consider however, many people who claim to be the artists only have a claim to stand by. Some may be able to provide proof that circles in fields were their work, however most will likely not. It is more likely in my opinion that they possibly wanted attention if they cannot provide proof. If not for this reason, then whatever drives them however what drives them is irrelevant. Yet still, some without proof may be telling the truth, but as you said "claims lacking evidence to support them can be dismissed without evidence." Therefore they can be dismissed by what you say. My beliefs and theories are very much backed by evidence, however it does not mean there is proof either way of them being right or wrong. This is why I cannot dismiss my claim. Nor can I dismiss the people who were dismissed through your process. Even though they cannot provide evidence that they made the circles, can we in turn provide evidence that they are lying? If we can, they still are not to be dismissed, but the situation further examined. Only when we can provide factual proof can we completely dismiss the subject.

I was wrong to say, "you certainly could not prove that my theories are wrong therefore cannot possibly have any relevant argument against the claims I make"... I suppose it would've been better for me to stick with, "you certainly could not prove that my theories are wrong". For as you have shown and I have always believed a relevant argument can be made.


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♫ ♪ In the garden of many fields, there is no me or you. There is no right or wrong. There is no up or down. There is no black or white. Everyone is the plow man. Everyone is the seed. Everyone harvests and everyone yields. In the garden of many fields, everyone is one with one love and one love is one with everyone. ♪ ♫
lyrics from: Transglobal Underground - Eyeway Souljah (from Psychic Karaoke)


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