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OfflinePsilocybeingzz
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Re: Marijuana and spirtuality [Re: Basilides]
    #5841538 - 07/10/06 06:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't see how marijuana can be considered remotely spiritual. It doesn't drastically alter consciousness, it merely coats the senses somewhat creating a mental euphoria. I know Rastafarians smoke it for related spiritual reasons, but I think this is more symbolic to the plant itself and not the intoxication it produces. I could be wrong, though.



If they say that fot them its spiritual, then it is, for them.

And although cannabis "coats the senses", I think thats to simple.

Because Cannabis triggers very old important parts in the brain, as well cannabis is known to induce alpha brain waves.

If nothing else.......
I would agrgue that cannabis use, can often spark potent ideas, in both science, and philosophy.  :stoned:


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Re: Marijuana and spirtuality [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #5841616 - 07/10/06 07:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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slaphappy said:

Buddhism, like all organized religions is more of a population control tool than road to enlightenment/heaven/whatever.



Buddhism is a rather anarchic "religion" that encourages doubt and skepticism.

Perhaps in traditional times it was more properly integrated into society, but in the western world Buddhism lies primarily as an escape route for people that are disenfranchised with their cultures method of enlightenment...... which seems to involve sleep-walking and hoping fervently that you can get away with a zombie life and still get everything good in the end.

what does topic starter mean by "ire" ?


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: Marijuana and spirtuality [Re: leery11]
    #5842360 - 07/10/06 12:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

ire is the state of being described when smoking marijuana,

when one is high, one is ire, its a description of a state of being,

adjectives that come up when being ire high, calm , chilled, relaxed, in a peaceful marijuana induced state, with ones senses clear from the everyday worries,

it is the term used by Rastafarian's to describe their stasis, when being intoxicated by the ghanja,

it is similar as being on cloud nine, or being ripped, or being filled with the herbal essence,

Now that clarification has been addressed...

Lets start off with a new lesson for the marijuana induced session,

may begin...


the reason why the ire way does not work with mathematics, because the drug is not pure and unadulterated, people are still in the 70's when perfecting the intake of this drug, now if one is still caught up in how bad one feels, and sees that drug slows the memory, they automatically assume that is of no use,

but if research was done, on perfecting the way we can smoke, and become ire and not struggle with health draw backs, who knows what the drug can do, I think it more beneficial such as beneficial effects of caffeine on the mind.


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Re: Marijuana and spirtuality [Re: slaphappy]
    #5842372 - 07/10/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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slaphappy said:
There are so many substances you put into your system every day that effects your consciousness, your awareness, your thinking and your everything, that you cannot begin to comprehend which does what.




In other parts of your post, you remind others to speak for themselves, but in this first part, you are speaking in generalities. If you re-read my original post I think you will see that I am always mindful of my words and therefore careful not to speak in generalities. I would never tell you what it is that you cannot begin to comprehend, and I humbly request that you extend me the same courtesy.

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I don't think adding marijuana, or not adding marijuana from your system will greatly affect your meditation. There are more important things, like who or what and how are you?




Not to seem argumentative, but you are hardly qualified to tell me what greatly affects my meditation. Furthermore, I am not alone when I suggest that marijuana is not compatible with clear thinking. Go to any buddhism or meditation or yoga center and ask the teachers there whether they drink alcohol or smoke pot. I think you will then hear the clear laughter of a bodhisattva letting the bliss in his soul ring out at the absurdity of the world.
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Buddhism, like all organized religions is more of a population control tool than road to enlightenment/heaven/whatever.




I humbly submit that, if I were a dictator concerned with establishing a relationship of domination over a large population, I would rather have to work with a bunch of sluggish, lazy, hazy, potheads than a bunch of free-thinking, self-actualized, spiritually strong meditators.

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Once you say that something is the safest bet, you have come one step closer to your truth. However, betting one way or another seems to me like something to do between friends, not between lives.




Instead of betting, why don't you just try it both ways? You have a skeptical mind, that is good, that is fine, it means you have a strong spirit, it takes a strong spirit to cling to doubt. Why not try abstaining from marijuana for, say, two months, and instead of smoking, spending 40 minutes every day meditating. There's a link in my profile to a very good site which will help you get started. Then, when you have walked both roads, you won't have to bet on which one is better, you will know for sure.


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Re: Marijuana and spirtuality [Re: Ereignis]
    #5843024 - 07/10/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

See the atmosphere that sobriety creates, a pointless jousting of egos, does not serve to do nothing but give the participants a sense of self gratification, look I comprehend this, you comprehended something inferior and my comprehension is better, what was the point they were discussing has no bearing, the real gist was the underlining emotions of conquering the competitor, once you see the competition as being no competition will only then will you consistently beat the competition


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