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Holland Tunnel
    #5834308 - 07/08/06 03:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

seems they dont think new york has had enough mass murder
bin laden must have copped a lot of rejection from hookers when he lived there


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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: quiver]
    #5834547 - 07/08/06 09:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Just to add a little substance to this thread:

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Authorities overseas have arrested one man and taken two others into custody on suspicion of planning suicide bombings in train tunnels beneath the Hudson River between Manhattan and New Jersey, officials said Friday.

Five other men are being sought for their alleged involvement in the plan, which law enforcement authorities said presented a genuine threat, even though it was in its earliest stages and no attack was imminent.

The FBI and New York City police officials have been aware of the group and its discussions for about a year, said Mark Mershon, the special agent in charge of the agency's New York office. Police presence at the tunnels in Manhattan that could have been targets has been increased in recent weeks in response to the investigation.

"The planning or the plotting for this attack had matured to the point where it appeared the individuals were about to move forward," Mershon said. "They were about to go to a phase where they would attempt to surveil targets, establish a regimen of attack and acquire the resources necessary to effectuate the attacks, and at that point I think it's entirely appropriate to take it down."

Federal and local law enforcement authorities identified the main subject of the investigation as Assem Hammoud, 31, a Lebanese man who was arrested on April 27 in Beirut and was still being held there. The locations of the other two men in custody were not revealed. The eight "principal players" planning the attack, the authorities said, had secured no financing, had gathered no explosives and had not visited New York -- or even the United States -- to conduct surveillance. At least one of the planners has been in Canada, the authorities said.

Monitoring of Internet chat rooms used by Islamic extremists led to the arrest of Hammoud, according to Lebanese authorities. At least one American official said the members of the group had never even met each other face to face.

"There was a lot of discussion, there was planning being done, but there was no indication that there was any movement toward these facilities," Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said Friday.

One counterterrorism expert who had been briefed on the plan, and who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to talk to the news media, said: "These are bad guys in Canada and a bad guy in Lebanon talking, but it never advanced beyond that. This is the talking phase."

He added: "They never were in New York, they never were in the States, they never got materials together. So in that regard, it's less serious than some of the others."

Mershon said an attack was to have been carried out in October or November; Lebanese authorities confirmed that timing. Mershon said Hammoud told Lebanese interrogators that he had pledged "allegiance to Osama bin Laden and he proclaims himself to be a member of al Qaeda." But it was not clear the suspect had ever interacted with bin Laden or his top deputies.

Officials in Lebanon said he is from a religious family, lives with his mother in a building his family owns and teaches at a private university.

The arrest and the bombing plan were first reported Friday in the New York Daily News. It reported that the would-be suicide bombers had intended to blow a hole in the wall of the Holland Tunnel, allowing the Hudson River to flood the tunnel and Lower Manhattan.

But authorities said that the focus appeared to have been on two PATH railroad tunnels, for the commuter trains between Manhattan and New Jersey.

Six foreign governments are assisting in the investigation, federal officials said, though they declined to identify them. Of the five suspects still being sought, Kelly said, "Their whereabouts are known, and they're being observed."




http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/07/08/MNG1FJRNH41.DTL

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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: Redstorm]
    #5834935 - 07/08/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

this reeks much more of strongly of karl rove than osama bin goldstein...EDIT ..i mean..5 years of nothing followed by a sudden rash of cases where bush&co claim to have busted an embryonic plot to blow something up..and crediting it to their legally questionable police-state apparatus..should be a dead giveaway...unfortunately..its working like a charm ..bushs' rasmussen rating shot up 5 points in one day after this latest fabrication...and i would almost bet the farm that there will be another such incident within the next month.. and that they will stop soon after the repugnicans win in november...


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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5835049 - 07/08/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

do you think the fbi/cia and pres bush fucked up busting the ring (with the help of beirut mind you)before they could murder anyone?
america can't win if they do nothing or act on a threat can they buddy


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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: quiver]
    #5835431 - 07/08/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have a very hard time believing any of these "supposed" terrorist plots broken up by the govt. Just look at the one from miami, they guys had no connection to al-qaida, were dirt broke poor...didn't even have jobs. And somehow they were going to blow up the sears tower? What were they going to do huff and puff till it fell over?

Now here is yet another case of our govts wonderful ability to protect us. Yet this one will be even more shrouded in mystery because they are foreigners. Probably more poor people picked up off the street.


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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5835460 - 07/08/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

they sell drugs and rip off our systems to get their money tho,
poor people are fertile ground for terrorists of any race/culture

i watched bushs' speech the other night and he seemed pretty honest
and straight forward to me, i know pollies are liars but i seriously think he's trying to do the right thing concerning korea

saddam was the one saying 'bring it on' and so they got what they wanted
nk is saying the same thing now and bush is trying to sort it out before he uses military might
what else can he do?


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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: quiver]
    #5835500 - 07/08/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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they sell drugs and rip off our systems to get their money tho,
poor people are fertile ground for terrorists of any race/culture





Yes they do sell drugs and mooch on welfare but did you actually see where these people lived? Do you really think they would spend their time collecting money to buy enough explosives to blow up a giant building when they live in a dirt poor slum? Sorry but that's not how it works, they use their money to buy either new clothes, food, beer or more drugs. Only wealthy people can indulge in the ability to buy enough explosives to blow up a building. And don't say Al-Q was going to give it to those guys from miami, because the govt came right out and admitted there was zero connections to al-qaida.


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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5835525 - 07/08/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

well the terrorists who murdered 200 people in bali were dirt poor and somehow came up with the explosives/money

why didnt they buy clothes or equipment to watch for tsunamis?


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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: quiver]
    #5835538 - 07/08/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

quiver said:
well the terrorists who murdered 200 people in bali were dirt poor and somehow came up with the explosives/money

why didnt they buy clothes?




Maybe because they actually had a connection to an organization that funded their efforts? Where as the miami-sears tower people the govt freely admitted their was no connection, now I ask again, where were they suppose to get the funds to buy these explosives?


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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5835599 - 07/08/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

to tell you the truth i've never heard of the miami-sears tower

at a guess maybe they raided a farmshed and stole fertiliser and syphoned deisel out of the tractors while they were at it?
is that impossible to do?
your guess is as good as mine


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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: quiver]
    #5835941 - 07/08/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

quiver said:
do you think the fbi/cia and pres bush fucked up busting the ring (with the help of beirut mind you)before they could murder anyone?
america can't win if they do nothing or act on a threat can they buddy




translation ..america cant win unless bush wins...

to be more pedantic about it..no terrorist worth their salt would draught their plans on a public internet chatroom that anyone could read...nor are the FBI/CIA protecting anyone (besides bush) when they become roves' puppets and trump up this shit for political purposes...


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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5836307 - 07/08/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

alot of people here seem to know exactly what the enemies of the west would or wouldnt do
have you actually ever met any arabs irl?
the ones ive met are pretty immature and dumb but they are all streetwise and most are criminally inclined,don't get me wrong i know one family that is ok but their sons have been in prison but i dont hold that against them and ive met more bad ones than good,and even saying that makes me feel like i'm exagerating,fuck it theyre all bad and you know it

i dont want to get into a bush hate debate here,i have my beliefs,you have yours
your people get all offended over bloody cartoons,dont get pissed when we defend our leaders form blatant 'evil theories' of the west whilst feeding from our troughs :wink: :thumbup:


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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5836992 - 07/08/06 09:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

:lol:
thanks for the rating


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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5837023 - 07/08/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Timothy McVeigh also was pretty poor and was not connected to any terrorist organizations. Look what he got done.

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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: Redstorm]
    #5837049 - 07/08/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yep
did my post seem racist to you?
i was only speaking from my experience
the truth hurts i guess


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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: quiver]
    #5837633 - 07/09/06 01:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Don't worry about it Quiver, People in the USA are so PC that any opinion that questions coloured people is seen as racist. Its very childish, and gets in the way of debate. White people can be challenged for their actions, and so can non-whites, but it seems to me that when the latter occurs, "racist" is thrown at you. Let me know if you agree.


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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5837692 - 07/09/06 01:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

lol,yep mate
my wife is black and she totally agrees with us too man!
it makes us both sick to the stomaches
:rockon:

this should be where someone will come in and call her an oreo or worse but hey we're fucking proud and don't have planks in our eyes and havent given a fuck what anyone thinks for 25 years white or dark!


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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: Redstorm]
    #5837859 - 07/09/06 03:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
Timothy McVeigh also was pretty poor and was not connected to any terrorist organizations. Look what he got done.




He was also military. And I still can't believe people actually buy that bullshit that 2 people pulled that off.


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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5838093 - 07/09/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I doubt his military training included how to make improvised explosives out of fertilizer.

It wouldn't take much to learn how to make a bomb like that; I guarantee that much.

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Re: Holland Tunnel [Re: quiver]
    #5838422 - 07/09/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

quiver said:
lol,yep mate
my wife is black and she totally agrees with us too man!
it makes us both sick to the stomaches
:rockon:

this should be where someone will come in and call her an oreo or worse but hey we're fucking proud and don't have planks in our eyes [from any other platform than roves'] and havent given a fuck what anyone thinks for 25 years white or dark!




is your wife condoleeza rice??...

to return briefly to the topic..the FBI has all but eliminated the bar for charging a "terrorist conspiracy" ..

http://www.alternet.org/story/38700/

and very obviously for political reasons...naturally..the response to this point was an anti-arab rant...


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