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    #5833196 - 07/07/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

FEAR

It is every where you look..... Terrorists, Korean nukes, Bird Flu....and many more fear based ideologies.

Many (if not all) things that people fear are really not worth it..

These media driven fear triggers are everywhere. I have quit watching the news because all they talk about are fearful things.

I learned not to worry or be afraid (of anything) about 5-6 years ago, and it literally changed my life.

Why is the human condition addicted to this "state of fear"?


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Re: Fearmongering [Re: niteowl]
    #5833247 - 07/07/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"Media driven fear triggers", eh? I'm not sure how substantial such a notion is. :grin:

I'm not sure how many people exist in a "state of fear", so I cannot speculate, but yet, in my life situation, I encounter far more individuals whose states seem to more involve the sensation and power centers. :shrug:

Fear is not a root, but exists as a gradient amongst a spectrum. Advancement of consciousness naturally progresses further away from fear and into other areas of the spectrum. :grin:

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Re: Fearmongering [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5834193 - 07/08/06 02:06 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

'"Media driven fear triggers", eh? I'm not sure how substantial such a notion is.' --FireworksGod

It's quite a substantial notion, really.  The news is constantly trying to shock and scare you, most people with something to sell, in fact, try to sell it by getting you to fear the costs of not having the product in question.  It extends through most spectrums of a heavily-mediated life, from "that girl at the bar will look at you like you're a repugnant freak if you aren't wearing THIS brand underarm deodorant" right up to "if THAT brand politicians are in office y'all can bet yer cowboy boots that yer chil'uns will be readin' the Koran in spanish by next May Day, yee'haw lil doggies" and in all those orange-alerted, possible-bird-flu-epidemic infested places inbetween.

'Why is the human condition addicted to this "state of fear"?' 
I don't think it is.  That's why we keep needing to be reminded that we ought to be afraid.  And that's why when you cut yourself of from such absurd paranoia and all the chikn li'ls in your life, you tend to lose that fear and be better off for it.  Why are people, specifically people in positions of power and leadership, striving to keep us jittery with fear?  Well, a fearful person is a person more inclinded to be obedient towards a strong, charismatic leader with gumption and derring-do.  They say "Yes, the building is on fire, but please remain calm and follow that big fella in the uniform, he'll make sure you get out of here alright" and you respond "Are you sure the building's on fire?  I can't hear any alarms or smell any smoke or anything" and they reply "OF COURSE IT'S ON FIRE, YOU TOOL!  What, you want to wait for the ceiling to fall on your head?!  What about BURSTING into FLAMES, would that be evidence of a fire enough for you?!!!  Get outta here while you still can, follow that big strong uniformed man, he'll take care of you BECAUSE NOTHING ELSE CAN and otherwise YOU'LL DIE!!!  RUN!!!"  and you say "Yes sir right away sir!" and follow the uniformed gent right out of the building into the back of a paddywagon, or more appropriately for the level of hyperbole I've got going so far, onto the back of a flatbed truck to be hauled off to the slaughterhouse with all the other panicky suckers.

Umm, in conclusion, um...  :bongload: :bongroll: :smirk: Ah ya!


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Re: Fearmongering [Re: Panoramix]
    #5834250 - 07/08/06 02:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

To understand fear, is to understand life and oneself in this life. If you wish to trancend fear, seek out truth and realize your vulnrabilities, then correct them.

I do not see it as people addicted to fear, it is more the consequences of a reality they are forced to paricipate in. Fear brings us together and drives us apart, its a paradox of human understanding.

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These media driven fear triggers are everywhere. I have quit watching the news because all they talk about are fearful things.

I learned not to worry or be afraid (of anything) about 5-6 years ago, and it literally changed my life.




I did the same..but there is a difference between national and local new programs. I think the media attention actually in some ways provokes many of these "fearfull" happenings to occur in the first place.


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Re: Fearmongering [Re: WIZOLZ]
    #5834648 - 07/08/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Fear is usually a cognitive state signaled by the brain in which one is under duress, if you don't feel the instant threatening implications then one is truly not afraid, the situation is usually the variable that decides how afraid someone becomes, life threatening situations can be terrifying, or the most mundane situation can be terrifying, while in a state peril can make a person remain calm, fear is the lack of control, over your mind, when physical hardship takes its course, or when one lacks mental preparation, usually one underestimates the severity of such action and found himself in a thicket of a situation, fear is also a direct perception of reading ones environment, when the signals are being read, and fear is read within the frame workings of the system, one can't help to doubt ones own position due to this constant paranoia being read, fear is integrated within every avenue of walk, all engineered to eventually take you down that expired course with death becoming the final result,


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Re: Fearmongering [Re: capliberty]
    #5835042 - 07/08/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I think of fear as that cold torso feeling you get right before all the adrenalin kicks in and your mind, numb with the panic from the previous nanosecond is helpfully impotent and off to the side, allowing your instinctual physical response to take over completely and get you out of some VERY close scrapes. If fear holds onto your mind and you try to reason your way through whatever immenient danger you happen to be in, you could be in some serious trouble, I suppose.

It reminds me of that bit from the Outer Chapters of Chuang Tse where the guy falling from his chariot in a drunken stupor doesn't get hurt because his body takes care of itself, I'm having a bit o' trouble finding the actual story, anyone know (seems to me there are lots of Taoism boosters on this board) which chapter it was in? I'm fairly sure it's appropriate...


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Re: Fearmongering [Re: Panoramix]
    #5836577 - 07/08/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The news is constantly trying to shock and scare you




Is that so? I imagine that the scientists that warn us of the changes we are responsible for in our environment, which are detrimental to our survival, are simply attempting to shock and scare us? "Good evening, everyone, today people died here and there and this force is threatening to kill you... Boo!":smirk:

The doctor has the burden of informing his patient that he has an incurable, assuredly fatal form of cancer... "No way, doc, you are simply trying to shock and scare me!".

The last that I knew, relaying information pertaining to the manner in which reality has unfolded is simply that. :shocked:

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That's why we keep needing to be reminded that we ought to be afraid.




When I walked out of this door this morning, someone jumped out of my tree and screamed "You fucking better be afraid, you motherfucker!" :evil:

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Why are people, specifically people in positions of power and leadership, striving to keep us jittery with fear?




Um.... they aren't. The best way to herd cattle is to let them graze their grass and keep them moving slowly.... spook them and they aren't going to be led so easily. Someone who is afraid isn't going to be very productive. I don't think that workers typically perform more effectively when they are constantly afraid that they will be fired.

Not to mention the fact that fear gets all kinds of nasty tasting chemicals in the tasty meat.

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Re: Fearmongering [Re: niteowl]
    #5836590 - 07/08/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well, terrorists ARE attacking Britain and US from time to time,
I don't know about Korea, but flu did kill millions in the last wave (Spanish flu), so while I think fear is a waste of time, these are not things we can simply ignore.

Sometimes fear manifests itself in form of ignoring the threats.


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Re: Fearmongering [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5873264 - 07/18/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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"Media driven fear triggers", eh? I'm not sure how substantial such a notion is. :grin:




A great example of media driven fearmongering


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Re: Fearmongering [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5873330 - 07/18/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Well, terrorists ARE attacking Britain and US from time to time,




There has been, and always will be, political terrorism of some kind as long as there are politicians calling the shots.

Nothing to fear there. Simple fact of society.

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I don't know about Korea




North Korea is just trying to let America know that it doesn't want to be Fucked with. America has already declared N Korea an "Axis of Evil". They just don't want to be invaded like Iraq and possibly Iran.

No reason to fear N Korea. They are just trying to protect them selves.

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but flu did kill millions in the last wave (Spanish flu),




Yea, evolution is a strange creature. It keeps letting these little single celled viruses evolve quicker than our immune system can easily fight them off..........helping to evolve us in the process.

Nothing to fear from evolution. Its is the reason we are here.

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so while I think fear is a waste of time, these are not things we can simply ignore.




These are things that are not worth worrying about, since these things have been going on, for as long as humans have been here.

Our fear of these things makes them more threatening than they should be.....causing us to react in ways that are inappropriate.

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Sometimes fear manifests itself in form of ignoring the threats.




Huh?

If you are ignorant of fear......how can you be afraid?


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Re: Fearmongering [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5873349 - 07/18/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Um.... they aren't. The best way to herd cattle is to let them graze their grass and keep them moving slowly....




:whatever:

Fear is a good motivator to get one society to attack another society.
Read up on how Adolph Hitler almost took over Europe.
Then you will see how fear is a useful tool in the hands of a egotistical leader.


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Re: Fearmongering [Re: niteowl]
    #5873758 - 07/18/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't believe Hitler brought his society to his cause by instilling fear within them, but rather rallying them around rights that they felt they deserved. For the most part, Germany was motivated by patriotism. Obviously, of course, considering the magnitude of the situation, many different factors were at play, but as far as the massive political movement that initially granted Hitler his power, it certainly wasn't fear.

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Re: Fearmongering [Re: niteowl]
    #5873961 - 07/18/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

There's this belief that everything we do strives from fear. Fear of prosecution and adhering to the alpha male.


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    #5874034 - 07/18/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hitlers fear, that the Jews would infest their pure Aryan nation, was a leading factor in his attempt to exterminate them.

He painted them to be something they weren't, to make the public fear them. So they would attack them.

Patriotism was used, as fuel for the fire, (so to say) to get their other emotions involved as well.

Fear alone isn't the trigger.
Fear is crippling.
One must first have their fear converted into anger/pride/jealousy, in order to attack. (this is easy for men to do, btw....it's much easier to be angry than scared)

Fear, however, is the driving factor, behind all negative emotions.


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    #5874061 - 07/18/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm still afraid of Adolf hitler


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    #5874182 - 07/18/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

the media operates by eliciting suffering.

however, we believe they operate by eliciting pleasure.

now, this is mostly for news/advertising... it's a mixed bag with entertainment shows.

but like, there's this ad for cosmetic surgery I keep seeing online. it has an absolutely BEAUTIFUL naked woman (her breasts covered) and it says something about getting cosmetic surgery!

that's terrible! So few girls look as good as that one, that anyone that dares to even look normal must be in need of face alteration!

and it's kind of a drug addiction type thing. you buy into fashion and pretty soon you start thinking you are uglier and uglier, so you keep seeing these beautiful women that you are trying to be, and then you come across one in a plastic surgery ad, you've already considered plastic surgery because of the fantasy world they have put your head in, and you're like "see why can't my boobs look like that" and "why can't my face be that perfect?" (when in actuality it's probably photoshopped and touched up a lot)

so you go out and strive to be what you cannot.

i don't really care about the fear angle right now... I think I understand the gist of it from my own perspective and it's also an addiction type thing.

but i don't like going into that so much.

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there is a flip side to this though, fake plastic smiles in ads may be sickening, but imagine if all the ads were hopeless lifeless sad people, frowning all their energy away? imagine how much that would impact the population!

at least we can see people smiling and being happier than WE are when turn on the tv and see a soap ad.....

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It reminds me of that bit from the Outer Chapters of Chuang Tse where the guy falling from his chariot in a drunken stupor doesn't get hurt because his body takes care of itself, I'm having a bit o' trouble finding the actual story, anyone know (seems to me there are lots of Taoism boosters on this board) which chapter it was in? I'm fairly sure it's appropriate...



this cop that taught a self defense class i took said that a lot of times drunk drivers will walk away from huge accidents unscathed becuase they are so relaxed from being drunk.


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Re: Fearmongering [Re: leery11]
    #5876943 - 07/19/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"this cop that taught a self defense class i took said that a lot of times drunk drivers will walk away from huge accidents unscathed becuase they are so relaxed from being drunk."  --Leery11

Hey, an actual real-life example of what I was talking about Chuang-Tse talking about, that's even better!  Yeah, I think that's exactly what he was getting at, thanks Leery.

"When I walked out of this door this morning, someone jumped out of my tree and screamed 'You fucking better be afraid, you motherfucker!'...  Um.... they aren't. The best way to herd cattle is to let them graze their grass and keep them moving slowly.... spook them and they aren't going to be led so easily"  --FireworksGod

People aren't a herd animal.  In order for some people to be led, they need to first be led to believe that they are incapable of dealing with a situation themselves.  If they feel out-of-control, they'll be more inclined to relinquish control to someone who seems capable of handling matters.  I'm not saying global warming doesn't exist, or that epidemics don't occur or anything.  I'm just saying don't sweat it.  If you die, you're dead and you haven't got anything else to worry about.

How many people voted for Kerry last election in America not because they liked the guy or approved of his policies, but because they were afraid of what another term of Bush's policies would do to America(not enough, sadly)?  And how many people voted for Bush because they were afraid of what would happen to America under the democrats?  Fear determines people's stances on important matters (like immigration and equal marital status for homosexuals) far too often, and while people might not be leaping out of trees and yelling at you to keep you afraid, that's not really a sign people aren't still making that effort.  They just have an ounce of subtlety, is all.  Makes it all that much scarier if you ask me!  :whoa:  :whoa:


:smirk: No cause for concern, though.  If you feel fear starting to take hold, just whip out your Hitchhiker's Guide and look at the cover.  I find that always settles my stomach.


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Re: Fearmongering [Re: niteowl]
    #5877085 - 07/19/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Well, terrorists ARE attacking Britain and US from time to time,




There has been, and always will be, political terrorism of some kind as long as there are politicians calling the shots.

Nothing to fear there. Simple fact of society.

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I don't know about Korea




North Korea is just trying to let America know that it doesn't want to be Fucked with. America has already declared N Korea an "Axis of Evil". They just don't want to be invaded like Iraq and possibly Iran.

No reason to fear N Korea. They are just trying to protect them selves.

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but flu did kill millions in the last wave (Spanish flu),




Yea, evolution is a strange creature. It keeps letting these little single celled viruses evolve quicker than our immune system can easily fight them off..........helping to evolve us in the process.

Nothing to fear from evolution. Its is the reason we are here.

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so while I think fear is a waste of time, these are not things we can simply ignore.




These are things that are not worth worrying about, since these things have been going on, for as long as humans have been here.

Our fear of these things makes them more threatening than they should be.....causing us to react in ways that are inappropriate.

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Sometimes fear manifests itself in form of ignoring the threats.




Huh?

If you are ignorant of fear......how can you be afraid?




every creature fears for its life, including people. When someone aimes a gun at you, it's only natural to be afraid.
It works simple: thread--->fear , threat--->fear

Of course people are afraid of flu, because they can die.

I am not humanity, I am human. Humanity benefits from death, but an individual human doesn't


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    #5880411 - 07/20/06 05:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I am not humanity, I am human. Humanity benefits from death, but an individual human doesn't




???This comming from someone who believes in an afterlife????

Why fear death.
Death is the ulitmate reward.



Fear, only limits your ability to enjoy your life, while you are here.


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    #5880473 - 07/20/06 06:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

There is no "reason" to fear death, people just fear it, at least at the moment of death. It's a biological mechanism to ensure that every animal fights for survival as long as it can.

Even if you consciously are not afraid of the idea that you will be dead one day, when a train is going towards you your blood pressure WILL rise and your heart WILL beat faster. It's automatic.


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