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Does the USFG watch this site?
#5833145 - 07/07/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd guess they do, they can't really prove anything without you making a written confession w/ a signature, unless they themselves break the law
Or you put your face in a picture with shrooms or something.
I guess it doesn't really matter since no one here does drugs anyway..
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Dont post incriminating stuff on the internet without expecting to get in trouble.
No matter what anyone does to keep the users here secure, there are always ways to get them in trouble. So dont say or do anything stupid.
They are not going to waste time over people using, or growing small amounts of drugs. I would worry more about larger scale growers, posted events, and marketplace. Local cops are probably more likely to try and arrange some kind of trade then the DEA.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: tak]
#5834296 - 07/08/06 03:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm curious why you all think the DEA doesn't shut down this whole site? I have my own conspiracy theories, but I'm wondering what other clues might be out there...
ie, They don't monitor this site (ha!!) They don't want controversy in the media (ha!!!!) They believe most people who post on shroomery are not involved with magic mushrooms (oh... that could be it.) Or... is it something else???
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: rikjoh]
#5834305 - 07/08/06 03:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Because you are able to post...that is probably good enough proof that the site hasnt been shut down for me.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: rikjoh]
#5834331 - 07/08/06 04:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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> I'm curious why you all think the DEA doesn't shut down this whole site?
Easy:
1) The site is not illegal (verified by two different law firms) 2) The site is protected by freedom of the press
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Seuss]
#5834423 - 07/08/06 07:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The site is protected by freedom of the press
The more I watch the news in America, the more I notice freedom of press and speech is very much under attack.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: bukkake]
#5834544 - 07/08/06 09:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The more I watch the news in America, the more I notice freedom of press and speech is very much under attack.
From whom? Certainly not from the US government!
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: bukkake]
#5834945 - 07/08/06 12:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Freedom of speech in the UK has gone the same way under Fuhrer Blair. An 82 year old pensioner dared to say "Nonsense" during a speech at the party conference while Jack Straw was defending the Iraq war. He was dragged out of the hall by security and detained under the prevention of terrorism act.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Alex213]
#5837785 - 07/09/06 02:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alright look, conspiracy theorists of the shroomery listen up. I want you to picture yourself as a government employee, charged with winning the war on drugs in some manner.
Now, do you really care about watching some hippy ass college-age stoner who grows just enough mushrooms for himself to eat on the internet, or are you going to be worried about actually catching something/someone worthwhile?
The truth of the matter? Hell yes there are Feds on this site. I promise that a few are here and being paid to read over posts to find something interesting. And i'm positive that even a few of your best online buddies that you post with everyday are Federal Officers that bust drug dealers/manufacturers/users all day - you know why they are here? Cause the shroomery has some fun, kickass people to talk to and even Feds like to shoot the shit.
No, the government doesn't even care enough to shut this site down. Yes, if you post some stupid shit on here like "i grew some killer cubies - i'll being selling them on Fifth at 6pm on Tuesday" you better damn well expect to get busted No, you aren't being bugged. No, you won't get busted for what you say on here. But, refer to my only yes reply. Also remember, what you post on here is plain view. You build a case against yourself blah blah blah.
It comes down to this. The government ain't out to get you. But if you act like a dumbass, you might just get nailed.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: TwIg]
#5837855 - 07/09/06 03:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alright look, conspiracy theorists of the shroomery listen up. I want you to picture yourself as a government employee, charged with winning the war on drugs in some manner.
Now, do you really care about watching some hippy ass college-age stoner who grows just enough mushrooms for himself to eat on the internet, or are you going to be worried about actually catching something/someone worthwhile?
Trouble is the chances of a cop catching someone worthwhile is practically zero. At the end of the year when your boss says "How many drug arrests have you made this year?" you'd better have a better response than "I couldn't find anyone I thought was worthwhile so I didn't bother arresting anyone sir". You'd be unemployed in a heartbeat.
In 2004 there were 771,605 arrests for pot. Of those 684,319 were arrested for possession alone. That tells you that the cops are far more interested in arresting kids smoking doobies than taking down the Cali cartel.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Alex213]
#5838103 - 07/09/06 09:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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How many of those arrests do you believe were traffic stops, which turned to a search, which turned to a drug infraction?
I don't believe the DEA would waste manhours to investigate small-time usage. Maybe dealing, but not usage.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Alex213]
#5838112 - 07/09/06 09:13 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cops used to appear on the hive occassionally. Usually they would say that they look at the hive to help them figure out what the chemicals are used for when they bust a lab. I think drug websites are something the DEA and police love since it saves them so much work trying to figure things out for themselves. I noticed some chemicals that were repeatedly discussed being added to the List I chemicals, too, like hypophosphorus acid , for example.
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/fed_regs/rules/2003/fr0131.htm Биотесты DOBa Биотест 5 и 40 мг!!!
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Luddite]
#5838142 - 07/09/06 09:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Small time usage, no.
But for those people who like to post yields that is over a pound dried, goes way beyond "personal usage"....that is a manufacturing operation in my opinion.......
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5841137 - 07/10/06 12:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Aye to Luddie's response. It's true that sites like these not only keep the growers and enthusiasts up to date on new ideas and teks, but also for law enforcement as well. I personally know a few drug liasion officers who use visit sites like Erowid and Lyceaum all time to keep up on whats new.
And to Alex, Redstorm is right. Simple as that. I can't imagine one single bust that every was generated from this site. And I've never seen anyone that grows that much post in a manner that would lead police to his front door, y'know?
Alright, the Mrs. is calling me to bed, gots to go...
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: TwIg]
#5841195 - 07/10/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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And to Alex, Redstorm is right. Simple as that. I can't imagine one single bust that every was generated from this site
Was Redstorm talking about busts generated from this site? I thought he was talking about small-time usage.
I disagree. I think cops are very keen on prosecuting small time users. That's why the vast bulk of drug prosecutions are of small time users. I don't think there's any arguing with the figures. Didn't the LA chief of police once say casual recreational drug users should be taken out and shot? I think that gives you a good idea of what the police view is.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Alex213]
#5841414 - 07/10/06 04:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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> I think cops are very keen on prosecuting small time users. That's why the vast bulk of drug prosecutions are of small time users
Or there are a lot more consumers (small time users) than producers.
> I don't think there's any arguing with the figures
The figures are not incorrect, but your interpretation of the causality of those numbers, certainly might be.
> Didn't the LA chief of police once say casual recreational drug users should be taken out and shot? I think that gives you a good idea of what the police view is.
No idea, but even if he did, that gives me the opinion of one cop, not most police. Ask any cop which they would rather deal with, a pot head or a drunk and every single one will much rather deal with the pot head. I have yet to meet a cop that didn't think tossing recreational drug users in jail wasn't a waste of the cops time, for the most part.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Seuss]
#5841535 - 07/10/06 06:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Or there are a lot more consumers (small time users) than producers.
Even so if the cops wern't interested in them they wouldn't be getting arrested and prosecuted.
The figures are not incorrect, but your interpretation of the causality of those numbers, certainly might be.
What other conclusion can you draw? If the vast bulk of arrests are for small time personal use isn't it reasonable to assume the cops are interested in small time personal use?
I have yet to meet a cop that didn't think tossing recreational drug users in jail wasn't a waste of the cops time, for the most part.
We must have met different cops. I don't think I've ever heard of a cop who wasn't extremely interested in busting people for drugs. The chief of the metropolitan police recently launched an arrest program specifically targeted at arresting and prosecuting small time middle class cocaine users. He sends cops into bars offering coke and when someone tries to buy off them they are arrested. He said "Apparantly I hear it is very upsetting for middle class users to be arrested and prosecuted". I think that sums up the cops atitude to drug users fairly well.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Alex213]
#5841603 - 07/10/06 07:41 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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This illustrates the difference between the law enforcement focus in the UK and the US. It appears that in the UK, they'd rather hassle petty drug users and harass honest citizens for defending themselves from predators than actually protect the citizenry from predators.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Phred]
#5841789 - 07/10/06 09:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well the figures I quoted were for the US. So the vast bulk of arrests in the US are for petty personal use too.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Alex213]
#5841982 - 07/10/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well the figures I quoted were for the US.
Ah. So when you claimed, "We must have met different cops," you were referring not to the cops you have met in the UK, but the cops you have met in the US. When were you in the US? How long did you stay? Which cities did you visit? How many cops did you meet there? Did you meet them by accident or did you seek them out?
And when you said, "The chief of the metropolitan police recently launched an arrest program specifically targeted at arresting and prosecuting small time middle class cocaine users. He sends cops into bars offering coke and when someone tries to buy off them they are arrested." you were referring not to the chief of the metropolitan police in London, but to some police chief in some metropolitan US city? Which city would that be? Do you have a link to the rest of his statements on the subject?
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: TwIg]
#5842056 - 07/10/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Seuss]
#5842061 - 07/10/06 11:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have yet to meet a cop that didn't think tossing recreational drug users in jail wasn't a waste of the cops time, for the most part.
Weather you have met cops that thought that is really irrelevant. What they think is not as important as what they do. And they do in fact prosecute small time possession as the bulk of their efforts in fighting the "war on drugs". That is what the numbers tell us. If you somehow read something else out of that then you may need to rethink your interpretation of the causality of those numbers.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: RosettaStoned]
#5845949 - 07/11/06 06:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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> He sends cops into bars offering coke and when someone tries to buy off them they are arrested
In the US, this would be considered entrapment and would be tossed out by the courts, unless the police could show that coke dealers frequent said bar in order to sell coke to the patrons and that the patrons of the bar expect coke dealers to walk through the bar doors offering to sell coke. I assume you mean cocaine and not coca cola when you speak of "coke".> He sends cops into bars offering coke and when someone tries to buy off them they are arrested
> What they think is not as important as what they do
The cops do what the politicians tell them to do; they aren't hired to think.
> And they do in fact prosecute small time possession as the bulk of their efforts in fighting the "war on drugs".
This isn't the cops, but the court system that prosecute.
> And they do in fact prosecute small time possession as the bulk of their efforts in fighting the "war on drugs".
So you agree with Alex, the reason there are more users in jail than pushers in jail is not because there are many more users than pushers, but because the cops focus on putting users in jail over pushers? (read pushers as producers, probably not the best word choice)
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Seuss]
#5846085 - 07/11/06 08:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The cops do what the politicians tell them to do; they aren't hired to think.
The cops have guidelines but it's their decision how much manpower they put into prosecuting kids for smoking doobies and how keen they are to prosecute. That's why you get some areas where the situation is more relaxed than other areas.
This isn't the cops, but the court system that prosecute.
The cops have to put the manhours in building up a case first tho. If the cops wern't spending so much time building cases on small time users to present to the courts then they wouldn't be getting prosecuted.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Phred]
#5846171 - 07/11/06 09:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Phred said: This illustrates the difference between the law enforcement focus in the UK and the US. It appears that in the UK, they'd rather hassle petty drug users and harass honest citizens for defending themselves from predators than actually protect the citizenry from predators.
Obviously you don't live in the U.S. and are not a drug user. (Well maybe you do live in the U.S. and work for the Ministry of Truth.) Going after petty drug users, even without a winning chance of prosecution, is quite profitable for police agencies in the U.S. and quite common. Thanks to a civil tactic known as 'asset forfeiture,' the government can confiscate property to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars from one petty middle class user alone. (On a related note, a VERY profitable business is running a police vehicle impound yard.) Since the legalized theft is conducted as a 'civil' procedure instead of a criminal procedure, the burden of proof of innocence rests upon the victim. Who says crime doesn't pay? It does if you're in the government or provide services to government.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Seuss]
#5847264 - 07/11/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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This isn't the cops, but the court system that prosecute.
That's funny, I haven't seen a judge arrest someone before? Where are you from? It IS the cops that are arresting massive amounts of small time users. And it has nothing to do with what the cops think, it is what they are told to do.
I would not say that there is more pushers than users, that would be impossible. But your making an illogical jump to assume just because there is more users that is why more users are arrested. There are more users arrested because they are targeting them. When they arrest a small timer, they try to get him to narc on his dealer. Then they get 2 or 3 for the price of one. Does this actually help them get more pushers? I doubt there all that successful at it or it wouldn't take so many small possession charges to get to the dealers. It just boils down to their main orders from the head of the police, which is to bust every single person you can get your hands on for drugs and get them tracked by the court system; probation and in some cases jail then followed by probation.
Brings to mind a SOAD song.
They're trying to build a prison, They're trying to build a prison, They're trying to build a prison, (for you and me to live in) Another prison system, Another prison system, Another prison system. (for you and me to live in) For you and I, for you and I , for you and I.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Trepiodos]
#5847407 - 07/11/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Going after petty drug users, even without a winning chance of prosecution, is quite profitable for police agencies in the U.S. and quite common. Thanks to a civil tactic known as 'asset forfeiture,' the government can confiscate property to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars from one petty middle class user alone. (On a related note, a VERY profitable business is running a police vehicle impound yard.) Since the legalized theft is conducted as a 'civil' procedure instead of a criminal procedure, the burden of proof of innocence rests upon the victim
Excellent point, they are making a killing off of busting small time users. That is something not to be over looked by the "patriots" of this forum that try to pass every bullshit govt action off as well and good.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Seuss]
#5848257 - 07/11/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Easy:
1) The site is not illegal (verified by two different law firms) 2) The site is protected by freedom of the press
I would say 1 doesn't matter and 2 isn't true. But I could be wrong.
The simplest answer would be that it isn't politically profitable enough, yet. If a shroom scandal ever hits the news, bamm!
Sounds kind of funny, right? A "shroom scandal!" hahaha. Plus, IMHO, there are lots of rich savvy guys, the real movers, talking to the goddess with the best stuff at their own private functions.
Am I wrong?
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Seuss]
#5849867 - 07/12/06 05:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have yet to meet a cop that didn't think tossing recreational drug users in jail wasn't a waste of the cops time, for the most part.
Maybe this is just what every cop says socially because he's learned that saying "I spend most of time throwing kids in jail for smoking doobies" results in people hating his guts.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Alex213]
#5850014 - 07/12/06 07:16 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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> Maybe
Or maybe they say that because it is what they really mean.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Seuss]
#5850160 - 07/12/06 08:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Always better to go by a person's actions rather than his words. Whatever they might say to you the bottom line is they're arresting people for possession whenever they can.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Alex213]
#5850236 - 07/12/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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> they're arresting people for possession whenever they can.
Supposition.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Seuss]
#5853575 - 07/13/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Backed by some pretty serious arrest figures tho.
Do you think the cops are letting drug users off?
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Alex213]
#5854849 - 07/13/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Even if cops did not enjoy tossing teenagers into cages, do they not still have quotas to meet? I often see these idiots hiding out, hoping to find an innocent victim while I am driving.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: bukkake]
#12255196 - 03/23/10 12:27 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh FFS, I'm dragging this one back out only because there was only one person on this forum that had a fuggin clue and I see this debate WAAAAAAAY too much.
Cops, for the most part, don't personally give a crap what you do. They just want to punch in, do their job, punch out, and go HOME. They do what they are told to do, which YES, is what your lovely state and fed gov TELLS THEM TO DO. How is this so hard for people to understand??
Look, let me try it this way. If you are a janitor and you are at work and you decide that, well, you don't want to clean a toilet. So you sneakily stop cleaning it. After a few days, you get fired for not doing your dang job.
Now, instead of a janitor, you are a cop. Your job is to enforce the written law. Like the janitor, you're not paid more or less to enforce law 1 or law 2 as the janitor would to clean toilet 1 or toilet 2, your job is to enforce them all. If a cop pulls you over and you have dope on you, it's against the law. If he doesn't do his job, HE COULD LOSE IT.
Seriously, wtf people? Don't like cops because you are constantly breaking the law? FINE. But FFS, don't get fired up at THEM. You're misdirecting your anger - be mad at the law. Be mad enough to get it changed, if it's wrong! Trust me, every cop will have a HUGE smile on his face the day they repeal the marijuana laws. You know why? CAUSE THAT'S ONE LESS TOILET HE HAS TO CLEAN BEFORE GOING HOME THAT DAY!!
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: TwIg]
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Trust me, every cop will have a HUGE smile on his face the day they repeal the marijuana laws. You know why? CAUSE THAT'S ONE LESS TOILET HE HAS TO CLEAN BEFORE GOING HOME THAT DAY!!
Police groups are the main forces who fight against drug legalization.
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-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Prisoner#1
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Alan Rockefeller said: Police groups are the main forces who fight against drug legalization.
I did a survey of hundreds of law enforcement officers on the local and state level several years ago, more than half supported the repeal of marijuana laws and many citing tthat it's a harmless drug that isnt contributing to crime other than arrests made for the drug, many cops are growing very tired of the prohibition because it complicates their jobs
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HippieChick8
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Allen Rockefeller said:Quote:
Police groups are the main forces who fight against drug legalization.
Have you ever heard of LEAP? It stands for Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Poid]
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Every time any legalization bill comes up for consideration, there are lots of hippies/reasonable people on one side, and representatives from the police groups arguing against it.
Its always the same - One side argues that they are putting people in prison for nothing, and the police groups counter that marijuana is destroying society and causing lots of traffic deaths.
Here is a good example: http://www.lbreport.com/sounds/medmj/comtes1.mp3
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I did a survey of hundreds of law enforcement officers on the local and state level several years ago, more than half supported the repeal of marijuana laws and many citing tthat it's a harmless drug that isnt contributing to crime other than arrests made for the drug, many cops are growing very tired of the prohibition because it complicates their jobs
Some of the rank and file officers understand, but their lobbyists are the last to get the message.
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Have you ever heard of LEAP? It stands for Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.
I am a LEAP member.
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Prisoner#1
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Every time any legalization bill comes up for consideration, there are lots of hippies/reasonable people on one side, and representatives from the police groups arguing against it.
that's because the media seeks out the people they want to interview, ever notice it's not some corporal in the PD that's fighting against, have you noticed they also get idiot celebs to also make a stance, they try and seek the ones the public will trust the most, those that have instant credibility because of the uniform or the celeb presence
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Some of the rank and file officers understand, but their lobbyists are the last to get the message.
lobbyists have an agenda to push, they fear for their jobs
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bhamlaxy
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Just a quick question to AntiEverything- Have you ever been on the debate team?
It's really only in the world of competitive debate where I've heard the phrase "USFG".
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: bhamlaxy]
#12307578 - 03/31/10 06:29 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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debate team?
if you wanna argue all the time, get married
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