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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: TwIg]
#5842056 - 07/10/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Seuss]
#5842061 - 07/10/06 11:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have yet to meet a cop that didn't think tossing recreational drug users in jail wasn't a waste of the cops time, for the most part.
Weather you have met cops that thought that is really irrelevant. What they think is not as important as what they do. And they do in fact prosecute small time possession as the bulk of their efforts in fighting the "war on drugs". That is what the numbers tell us. If you somehow read something else out of that then you may need to rethink your interpretation of the causality of those numbers.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: RosettaStoned]
#5845949 - 07/11/06 06:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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> He sends cops into bars offering coke and when someone tries to buy off them they are arrested
In the US, this would be considered entrapment and would be tossed out by the courts, unless the police could show that coke dealers frequent said bar in order to sell coke to the patrons and that the patrons of the bar expect coke dealers to walk through the bar doors offering to sell coke. I assume you mean cocaine and not coca cola when you speak of "coke".> He sends cops into bars offering coke and when someone tries to buy off them they are arrested
> What they think is not as important as what they do
The cops do what the politicians tell them to do; they aren't hired to think.
> And they do in fact prosecute small time possession as the bulk of their efforts in fighting the "war on drugs".
This isn't the cops, but the court system that prosecute.
> And they do in fact prosecute small time possession as the bulk of their efforts in fighting the "war on drugs".
So you agree with Alex, the reason there are more users in jail than pushers in jail is not because there are many more users than pushers, but because the cops focus on putting users in jail over pushers? (read pushers as producers, probably not the best word choice)
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Seuss]
#5846085 - 07/11/06 08:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The cops do what the politicians tell them to do; they aren't hired to think.
The cops have guidelines but it's their decision how much manpower they put into prosecuting kids for smoking doobies and how keen they are to prosecute. That's why you get some areas where the situation is more relaxed than other areas.
This isn't the cops, but the court system that prosecute.
The cops have to put the manhours in building up a case first tho. If the cops wern't spending so much time building cases on small time users to present to the courts then they wouldn't be getting prosecuted.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Phred]
#5846171 - 07/11/06 09:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Phred said: This illustrates the difference between the law enforcement focus in the UK and the US. It appears that in the UK, they'd rather hassle petty drug users and harass honest citizens for defending themselves from predators than actually protect the citizenry from predators.
Obviously you don't live in the U.S. and are not a drug user. (Well maybe you do live in the U.S. and work for the Ministry of Truth.) Going after petty drug users, even without a winning chance of prosecution, is quite profitable for police agencies in the U.S. and quite common. Thanks to a civil tactic known as 'asset forfeiture,' the government can confiscate property to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars from one petty middle class user alone. (On a related note, a VERY profitable business is running a police vehicle impound yard.) Since the legalized theft is conducted as a 'civil' procedure instead of a criminal procedure, the burden of proof of innocence rests upon the victim. Who says crime doesn't pay? It does if you're in the government or provide services to government.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Seuss]
#5847264 - 07/11/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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This isn't the cops, but the court system that prosecute.
That's funny, I haven't seen a judge arrest someone before? Where are you from? It IS the cops that are arresting massive amounts of small time users. And it has nothing to do with what the cops think, it is what they are told to do.
I would not say that there is more pushers than users, that would be impossible. But your making an illogical jump to assume just because there is more users that is why more users are arrested. There are more users arrested because they are targeting them. When they arrest a small timer, they try to get him to narc on his dealer. Then they get 2 or 3 for the price of one. Does this actually help them get more pushers? I doubt there all that successful at it or it wouldn't take so many small possession charges to get to the dealers. It just boils down to their main orders from the head of the police, which is to bust every single person you can get your hands on for drugs and get them tracked by the court system; probation and in some cases jail then followed by probation.
Brings to mind a SOAD song.
They're trying to build a prison, They're trying to build a prison, They're trying to build a prison, (for you and me to live in) Another prison system, Another prison system, Another prison system. (for you and me to live in) For you and I, for you and I , for you and I.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Trepiodos]
#5847407 - 07/11/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Going after petty drug users, even without a winning chance of prosecution, is quite profitable for police agencies in the U.S. and quite common. Thanks to a civil tactic known as 'asset forfeiture,' the government can confiscate property to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars from one petty middle class user alone. (On a related note, a VERY profitable business is running a police vehicle impound yard.) Since the legalized theft is conducted as a 'civil' procedure instead of a criminal procedure, the burden of proof of innocence rests upon the victim
Excellent point, they are making a killing off of busting small time users. That is something not to be over looked by the "patriots" of this forum that try to pass every bullshit govt action off as well and good.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Seuss]
#5848257 - 07/11/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Easy:
1) The site is not illegal (verified by two different law firms) 2) The site is protected by freedom of the press
I would say 1 doesn't matter and 2 isn't true. But I could be wrong.
The simplest answer would be that it isn't politically profitable enough, yet. If a shroom scandal ever hits the news, bamm!
Sounds kind of funny, right? A "shroom scandal!" hahaha. Plus, IMHO, there are lots of rich savvy guys, the real movers, talking to the goddess with the best stuff at their own private functions.
Am I wrong?
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Seuss]
#5849867 - 07/12/06 05:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have yet to meet a cop that didn't think tossing recreational drug users in jail wasn't a waste of the cops time, for the most part.
Maybe this is just what every cop says socially because he's learned that saying "I spend most of time throwing kids in jail for smoking doobies" results in people hating his guts.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Alex213]
#5850014 - 07/12/06 07:16 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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> Maybe
Or maybe they say that because it is what they really mean.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Seuss]
#5850160 - 07/12/06 08:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Always better to go by a person's actions rather than his words. Whatever they might say to you the bottom line is they're arresting people for possession whenever they can.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Alex213]
#5850236 - 07/12/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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> they're arresting people for possession whenever they can.
Supposition.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Seuss]
#5853575 - 07/13/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Backed by some pretty serious arrest figures tho.
Do you think the cops are letting drug users off?
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Alex213]
#5854849 - 07/13/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Even if cops did not enjoy tossing teenagers into cages, do they not still have quotas to meet? I often see these idiots hiding out, hoping to find an innocent victim while I am driving.
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: bukkake]
#12255196 - 03/23/10 12:27 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh FFS, I'm dragging this one back out only because there was only one person on this forum that had a fuggin clue and I see this debate WAAAAAAAY too much.
Cops, for the most part, don't personally give a crap what you do. They just want to punch in, do their job, punch out, and go HOME. They do what they are told to do, which YES, is what your lovely state and fed gov TELLS THEM TO DO. How is this so hard for people to understand??
Look, let me try it this way. If you are a janitor and you are at work and you decide that, well, you don't want to clean a toilet. So you sneakily stop cleaning it. After a few days, you get fired for not doing your dang job.
Now, instead of a janitor, you are a cop. Your job is to enforce the written law. Like the janitor, you're not paid more or less to enforce law 1 or law 2 as the janitor would to clean toilet 1 or toilet 2, your job is to enforce them all. If a cop pulls you over and you have dope on you, it's against the law. If he doesn't do his job, HE COULD LOSE IT.
Seriously, wtf people? Don't like cops because you are constantly breaking the law? FINE. But FFS, don't get fired up at THEM. You're misdirecting your anger - be mad at the law. Be mad enough to get it changed, if it's wrong! Trust me, every cop will have a HUGE smile on his face the day they repeal the marijuana laws. You know why? CAUSE THAT'S ONE LESS TOILET HE HAS TO CLEAN BEFORE GOING HOME THAT DAY!!
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: TwIg]
#12303120 - 03/31/10 12:26 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Trust me, every cop will have a HUGE smile on his face the day they repeal the marijuana laws. You know why? CAUSE THAT'S ONE LESS TOILET HE HAS TO CLEAN BEFORE GOING HOME THAT DAY!!
Police groups are the main forces who fight against drug legalization.
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Alan Rockefeller said: Police groups are the main forces who fight against drug legalization.
I did a survey of hundreds of law enforcement officers on the local and state level several years ago, more than half supported the repeal of marijuana laws and many citing tthat it's a harmless drug that isnt contributing to crime other than arrests made for the drug, many cops are growing very tired of the prohibition because it complicates their jobs
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Allen Rockefeller said:Quote:
Police groups are the main forces who fight against drug legalization.
Have you ever heard of LEAP? It stands for Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php
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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Poid]
#12305086 - 03/31/10 11:56 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Source?
Every time any legalization bill comes up for consideration, there are lots of hippies/reasonable people on one side, and representatives from the police groups arguing against it.
Its always the same - One side argues that they are putting people in prison for nothing, and the police groups counter that marijuana is destroying society and causing lots of traffic deaths.
Here is a good example: http://www.lbreport.com/sounds/medmj/comtes1.mp3
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I did a survey of hundreds of law enforcement officers on the local and state level several years ago, more than half supported the repeal of marijuana laws and many citing tthat it's a harmless drug that isnt contributing to crime other than arrests made for the drug, many cops are growing very tired of the prohibition because it complicates their jobs
Some of the rank and file officers understand, but their lobbyists are the last to get the message.
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Have you ever heard of LEAP? It stands for Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.
I am a LEAP member.
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