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OfflineAntiEverything
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Does the USFG watch this site?
    #5833145 - 07/07/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'd guess they do, they can't really prove anything without you making a written confession w/ a signature, unless they themselves break the law

Or you put your face in a picture with shrooms or something.

I guess it doesn't really matter since no one here does drugs anyway..


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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: AntiEverything]
    #5833237 - 07/07/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Dont post incriminating stuff on the internet without expecting to get in trouble.

No matter what anyone does to keep the users here secure, there are always ways to get them in trouble. So dont say or do anything stupid.

They are not going to waste time over people using, or growing small amounts of drugs. I would worry more about larger scale growers, posted events, and marketplace. Local cops are probably more likely to try and arrange some kind of trade then the DEA.


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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: tak]
    #5834296 - 07/08/06 03:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm curious why you all think the DEA doesn't shut down this whole site? I have my own conspiracy theories, but I'm wondering what other clues might be out there...

ie,
They don't monitor this site (ha!!)
They don't want controversy in the media (ha!!!!)
They believe most people who post on shroomery are not involved with magic mushrooms (oh... that could be it.)
Or... is it something else???


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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: rikjoh]
    #5834305 - 07/08/06 03:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Because you are able to post...that is probably good enough proof that the site hasnt been shut down for me.


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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: rikjoh]
    #5834331 - 07/08/06 04:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> I'm curious why you all think the DEA doesn't shut down this whole site?

Easy:

1) The site is not illegal (verified by two different law firms)
2) The site is protected by freedom of the press


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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Seuss]
    #5834423 - 07/08/06 07:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The site is protected by freedom of the press



The more I watch the news in America, the more I notice freedom of press and speech is very much under attack.


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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: bukkake]
    #5834544 - 07/08/06 09:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The more I watch the news in America, the more I notice freedom of press and speech is very much under attack.




From whom? Certainly not from the US government!




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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: bukkake]
    #5834945 - 07/08/06 12:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Freedom of speech in the UK has gone the same way under Fuhrer Blair. An 82 year old pensioner dared to say "Nonsense" during a speech at the party conference while Jack Straw was defending the Iraq war. He was dragged out of the hall by security and detained under the prevention of terrorism act.


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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Alex213]
    #5837785 - 07/09/06 02:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Alright look, conspiracy theorists of the shroomery listen up. I want you to picture yourself as a government employee, charged with winning the war on drugs in some manner.

Now, do you really care about watching some hippy ass college-age stoner who grows just enough mushrooms for himself to eat on the internet, or are you going to be worried about actually catching something/someone worthwhile?

The truth of the matter? Hell yes there are Feds on this site. I promise that a few are here and being paid to read over posts to find something interesting. And i'm positive that even a few of your best online buddies that you post with everyday are Federal Officers that bust drug dealers/manufacturers/users all day - you know why they are here? Cause the shroomery has some fun, kickass people to talk to and even Feds like to shoot the shit.

No, the government doesn't even care enough to shut this site down.
Yes, if you post some stupid shit on here like "i grew some killer cubies - i'll being selling them on Fifth at 6pm on Tuesday" you better damn well expect to get busted
No, you aren't being bugged.
No, you won't get busted for what you say on here. But, refer to my only yes reply. Also remember, what you post on here is plain view. You build a case against yourself blah blah blah.

It comes down to this. The government ain't out to get you. But if you act like a dumbass, you might just get nailed.

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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: TwIg]
    #5837855 - 07/09/06 03:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Alright look, conspiracy theorists of the shroomery listen up. I want you to picture yourself as a government employee, charged with winning the war on drugs in some manner.

Now, do you really care about watching some hippy ass college-age stoner who grows just enough mushrooms for himself to eat on the internet, or are you going to be worried about actually catching something/someone worthwhile?


Trouble is the chances of a cop catching someone worthwhile is practically zero. At the end of the year when your boss says "How many drug arrests have you made this year?" you'd better have a better response than "I couldn't find anyone I thought was worthwhile so I didn't bother arresting anyone sir". You'd be unemployed in a heartbeat.

In 2004 there were 771,605 arrests for pot. Of those 684,319 were arrested for possession alone. That tells you that the cops are far more interested in arresting kids smoking doobies than taking down the Cali cartel.


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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Alex213]
    #5838103 - 07/09/06 09:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

How many of those arrests do you believe were traffic stops, which turned to a search, which turned to a drug infraction?

I don't believe the DEA would waste manhours to investigate small-time usage. Maybe dealing, but not usage.


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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Alex213]
    #5838112 - 07/09/06 09:13 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Cops used to appear on the hive occassionally. Usually they would say that they look at the hive to help them figure out what the chemicals are used for when they bust a lab. I think drug websites are something the DEA and police love since it saves them so much work trying to figure things out for themselves. I noticed some chemicals that were repeatedly discussed being added to the List I chemicals, too, like hypophosphorus acid , for example.

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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Luddite]
    #5838142 - 07/09/06 09:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Small time usage, no.

But for those people who like to post yields that is over a pound dried, goes way beyond "personal usage"....that is a manufacturing operation in my opinion.......


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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5841137 - 07/10/06 12:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Aye to Luddie's response. It's true that sites like these not only keep the growers and enthusiasts up to date on new ideas and teks, but also for law enforcement as well. I personally know a few drug liasion officers who use visit sites like Erowid and Lyceaum all time to keep up on whats new.

And to Alex, Redstorm is right. Simple as that. I can't imagine one single bust that every was generated from this site. And I've never seen anyone that grows that much post in a manner that would lead police to his front door, y'know?

Alright, the Mrs. is calling me to bed, gots to go...

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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: TwIg]
    #5841195 - 07/10/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

And to Alex, Redstorm is right. Simple as that. I can't imagine one single bust that every was generated from this site

Was Redstorm talking about busts generated from this site? I thought he was talking about small-time usage.

I disagree. I think cops are very keen on prosecuting small time users. That's why the vast bulk of drug prosecutions are of small time users. I don't think there's any arguing with the figures. Didn't the LA chief of police once say casual recreational drug users should be taken out and shot? I think that gives you a good idea of what the police view is.


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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Alex213]
    #5841414 - 07/10/06 04:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> I think cops are very keen on prosecuting small time users. That's why the vast bulk of drug prosecutions are of small time users

Or there are a lot more consumers (small time users) than producers.

> I don't think there's any arguing with the figures

The figures are not incorrect, but your interpretation of the causality of those numbers, certainly might be.

> Didn't the LA chief of police once say casual recreational drug users should be taken out and shot? I think that gives you a good idea of what the police view is.

No idea, but even if he did, that gives me the opinion of one cop, not most police. Ask any cop which they would rather deal with, a pot head or a drunk and every single one will much rather deal with the pot head. I have yet to meet a cop that didn't think tossing recreational drug users in jail wasn't a waste of the cops time, for the most part.


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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Seuss]
    #5841535 - 07/10/06 06:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Or there are a lot more consumers (small time users) than producers.



Even so if the cops wern't interested in them they wouldn't be getting arrested and prosecuted.

The figures are not incorrect, but your interpretation of the causality of those numbers, certainly might be.


What other conclusion can you draw? If the vast bulk of arrests are for small time personal use isn't it reasonable to assume the cops are interested in small time personal use?

I have yet to meet a cop that didn't think tossing recreational drug users in jail wasn't a waste of the cops time, for the most part.

We must have met different cops. I don't think I've ever heard of a cop who wasn't extremely interested in busting people for drugs. The chief of the metropolitan police recently launched an arrest program specifically targeted at arresting and prosecuting small time middle class cocaine users. He sends cops into bars offering coke and when someone tries to buy off them they are arrested. He said "Apparantly I hear it is very upsetting for middle class users to be arrested and prosecuted". I think that sums up the cops atitude to drug users fairly well.


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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Alex213]
    #5841603 - 07/10/06 07:41 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

This illustrates the difference between the law enforcement focus in the UK and the US. It appears that in the UK, they'd rather hassle petty drug users and harass honest citizens for defending themselves from predators than actually protect the citizenry from predators.




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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Phred]
    #5841789 - 07/10/06 09:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well the figures I quoted were for the US. So the vast bulk of arrests in the US are for petty personal use too.


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Re: Does the USFG watch this site? [Re: Alex213]
    #5841982 - 07/10/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Well the figures I quoted were for the US.




Ah. So when you claimed, "We must have met different cops," you were referring not to the cops you have met in the UK, but the cops you have met in the US. When were you in the US? How long did you stay? Which cities did you visit? How many cops did you meet there? Did you meet them by accident or did you seek them out?

And when you said, "The chief of the metropolitan police recently launched an arrest program specifically targeted at arresting and prosecuting small time middle class cocaine users. He sends cops into bars offering coke and when someone tries to buy off them they are arrested." you were referring not to the chief of the metropolitan police in London, but to some police chief in some metropolitan US city? Which city would that be? Do you have a link to the rest of his statements on the subject?



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