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zeegos
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Spawning with spent substrate?
#5796180 - 06/27/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was wondering, once iv got as many flushed as i can from my strawbags (oysters), could i break it all up and mix with fresh pasturized straw as a spawn? Asked on cultivation forum with little feedback. Seems like a perfectly good idea to me or isnt it?
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falcon


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Re: Spawning with spent substrate? [Re: zeegos]
#5796246 - 06/27/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It can work, your chances of contamination are greater when you use straw that is spent.
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zeegos
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Re: Spawning with spent substrate? [Re: falcon]
#5796580 - 06/27/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ah right, i may give it a go anyway. Introduce Mr Peroxide into it
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mattymonkey
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Re: Spawning with spent substrate? [Re: zeegos]
#5798583 - 06/28/06 07:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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you'd have better luck spawning an outdoor bed of either straw or woodchips... try doing some on unpasteurized substrates outside too
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Cryogenicz
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Re: Spawning with spent substrate? [Re: mattymonkey]
#5801705 - 06/29/06 01:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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go outdoors... I have had tons of mushrooms from *contaminated substrates* that I have put outdoors.
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Re: Spawning with spent substrate? [Re: Cryogenicz]
#5802715 - 06/29/06 10:20 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Outdoors might have a chance. Indoors you're wasting your time. RR
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zeegos
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Re: Spawning with spent substrate? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5803509 - 06/29/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok i'll give that a try. If i were to make an outdoor straw bed, would i pastuirze it or just soak?
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: Spawning with spent substrate? [Re: zeegos]
#5815652 - 07/03/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i would just soak it
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mattymonkey
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Re: Spawning with spent substrate? [Re: zeegos]
#5818964 - 07/04/06 06:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am doing experiments now using unpasteurized straw outside, spawning with spent substrate bags using the same straw, though the stuff in the bags was originally pasteurized. This straw in the bags has been introduced to green mold and has fruited just fine in my dirt floor woodshed with no maintence whatsoever. I just spawned it the other day, Ill let you know how it goes.
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phalcon005

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Re: Spawning with spent substrate? [Re: mattymonkey]
#5832141 - 07/07/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here's what I know on the concept of using spent substrates as spawn. That was the method used to propogate white buttons originally and was allegedly used for centuries in europe. Reading on current literature they would frown on the idea, since the mycelium hasn't sexually reproduced it would slowly loose it's vigor.
Personally I would think it would be great outdoors. All my contaminated blocks go into my compost pile and I plan on treating it as spawn in the future for outdoor beds. I would stick with either fresh or lightly pasteurized bedding. Skip the peroxide method as well, if you have contaminants in your 'spawn' the peroxide won't knock it out so I don't really see the point. A little contams outdoors I would think is a given and not a major concern.
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