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Helpme1
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I found a Pan Sub !
#5831144 - 07/07/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Take this topic: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5827878/an/0/page/1
I tried a spore print again and it WAS jet black
BTW is the one i already did a spore print on still active or what?
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AA2277
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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: Helpme1]
#5831354 - 07/07/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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make sure you spore print all of the ones you plan on identifying. No one wants you to die
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xmush
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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: AA2277]
#5831379 - 07/07/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jet black from the same mushrooms? You said they were brown prints before... and to be honest they didn't look like subbs. I'm a bit confused. But the mushies in the post you have the link to with the brown spore prints are NOT active. If you have similar looking mushrooms with a truly jet-black spore print, then that is interesting. Post pics.
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Jim


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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: xmush]
#5831395 - 07/07/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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black and brown are hard colors for me to differentiate in a picture sometimes...
anyways, its always safer to chuck them...
here is a little humor for you xmush... when I find a mushroom I have no idea what it is... i call it a galerina, no matter what it looks like... better safe than sorry...
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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: Jim]
#5831585 - 07/07/06 12:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I do the same thing, unidentified LBM=galerina, everything else is an amanita!
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Jim


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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: xmush]
#5831602 - 07/07/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Amanitas... I have been finding those lately, but I have this deep seeded fear of them... which keeps me from ever ingesting them...
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Helpme1
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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: Jim]
#5831684 - 07/07/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alright, are these better by chance?
 I have another one but its blurry, however it shows the black of the spore print a lot more... Also, are the spore-printed ones still active or what?
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Mead

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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! *DELETED* [Re: Helpme1]
#5831773 - 07/07/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jim


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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: Mead]
#5831783 - 07/07/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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spores contain no actives... thats why we can trade/sell them in the US.
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Helpme1
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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: Mead]
#5831794 - 07/07/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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So could I have someone else ID these please !
And if active, just curious how many caps would it take of these dried on average for a light - medium heavy trip? (estimates are fine, I just want to take enough, not really worried about taking to much) They are abundant so no problem getting them :P
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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! *DELETED* [Re: Helpme1]
#5831811 - 07/07/06 01:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Helpme1
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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: Mead]
#5831901 - 07/07/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol :P
I meant a light to medium/heavy trip :P
is that fresh or dry ??
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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: Helpme1]
#5831904 - 07/07/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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fresh or dry, 20 mushrooms are still 20 mushrooms....
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Helpme1
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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: Jim]
#5831928 - 07/07/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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So even if i dry them i will still need 20?!
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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: Helpme1]
#5831943 - 07/07/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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what did you expect?
why would their potency increase with drying?
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Helpme1
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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: Jim]
#5832181 - 07/07/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I took 3 more spore prints all coming up black
Is the verdict that they are safe? (active or not, I don't want to die :P)
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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: Helpme1]
#5832346 - 07/07/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah dying is definatly not cool.
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everythingzen
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So are these actually active?
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mjshroomer
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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: Helpme1]
#5832413 - 07/07/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those are Panaeolina foenisecii Maire. They are not psychoactive.
mj
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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: mjshroomer]
#5832424 - 07/07/06 04:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Def. Pan foes.
Notice how the middle stem bends. If it were a pan sub the stem would stem in half, That's the best way to tell the two apart besides prints IMO.
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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: mjshroomer]
#5832443 - 07/07/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
mjshroomer said: Those are Panaeolina foenisecii Maire. They are not psychoactive.
mj
I third that. It seems you are hallucinating black.
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CureCat
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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: shroomydan]
#5832529 - 07/07/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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That is not a spore print!!! This is a spore print-
 Really fuzzy pics at that.... but you see??? Leave the mushroom alone over night!!! If you want to be sure of an ID you need to get a clear, full spore print. None of this 2 hr spore printing shit! Sorry, I just hate it when i can't see what i'm supposed t be IDing. I repeat the above, they look like foes, not subbs. But if you want a definate ID take a GOOD spore print.
Oh... and on the 4th I took a good lot of subbs and the effects were freaking mild. I had literally hundreds of dry specimens, my friend and I consumed a LOT (i had maybe 40- he had maybe 90), and we confirmed a mild trip- no trippy visuals really. It was odd, these ones may have been very low potency. But, it was fun
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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: CureCat]
#5833172 - 07/07/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cure Cat, if you ate that many subbs you would have been trippin. Mostlikely they were either Panaeolus castaneifoius or P. olivaceus or P. microsporus.
IT only takes one ounce of Panaeolus subbalteatus to get ripped. They are the saem potrency as cubes by fresh weight and by dry weight.
Look at LK's images or at Angry Shrooms Pan subbs posted at the Shroomster MJ site. Those are good subbs in those iamgtes form them.
Not the stringy small belled-cap ones some are finding in California on lawns.
mjshroomer
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Re: I found a Pan Sub ! [Re: mjshroomer]
#5833189 - 07/07/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hmmm, I have taken a look at those photos, and frankly, they look like what I picked.
I have read that the potency is highly variable in the species Panaeolus subbalteatus, is this not the case?
The rings on the caps in the above photo have faded, but they were present when I picked them. I have looked and compared hundreds of photos of different Panaeolus species, and deemed them the closest ringer for Panaeolus subbalteatus. Of course, I have no conclusive way of being sure as I do not own a microscope. Anyway, good to know.
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