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Israel's Invasion of Gaza
    #5830995 - 07/07/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

There's so much going on right now, I'm having a hard time keeping up with the news, but let me try to make some sense of what's happening. After members of an extremist palestinian movement have kidnapped an Israeli soldier on June 25 and have called for negotiating an exchange of prisoners, the Israeli government has refused and has proceeded in bombing palestinian infrastructures.

One of the three bridges destroyed by Israel:


Another view of the destroyed bridge:


The destroyed palestinian power plant:


Israeli tanks and armored vehicles gather before the strike on Gaza:




On June 29th, Israel kidnaps 8 Palestinian ministers and 21 members of Parliament. On July 5, a palestinian rocket was shot from Gaza and travels 12km landing in Israel city Ashkelon, no one is hurt. A few hours later, Israeli aviation aims palestinian government infrastructures for the second time in 6 days, 2 people wounded, doctors evacuate children in a state of shock. Later, Israeli tanks enter Gaza and try to reach the place where the rocket was shot from. That night a second rocket shot from Gaza reaches Ashkelon, again no one is wounded, but Israel promises to intensify their attacks on the Hamas. 2 hours later, Israel aviation bombs north of Gaza and wound 7 palestinians. By the morning of July 6, Israeli army has taken control of a portion of northern Gaza, and 7 palestinian activists have died.

Violence between the Tsahal and palestinian activists has only been escalating since then. There's been one Israeli soldier killed and about 20 to 30 palestinian activists and civilians killed.




Soooo, do you really think that Israel is going to get their kidnapped soldier back this way?? How is destroying the population's infrastructures and invading palestinian territory going to make the soldier's release any easier? How does this incursion in Gaza assure the security of the prsioner of war? And why doesn't Israel agree to free some of their Palestinian prisoners? After all, they detain over 8000 palestinians, including women and children.

IMO, these attacks don't have much to do with Israel's security and the safety of their kidnapped soldier, but are rather part of a war against the democratically elected palestinian government, with the objective to overthrow it. The use of force prior to even considering an exchange of prisoners demonstrates that Israel's political goals are of higher priority than the prisoner's life.


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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: exclusive58]
    #5831028 - 07/07/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You are absolutely right, this kidnapped soldier excuse is insane, how arragent can they be?????? "You kidnapped one of our soldiers, so we are going to bomb your country to shit"

Israels victim role from WWII is almost used up and soon the world is going to stop turning a blind eye to them. The US on the other hand will continue to support this rogue state.

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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5831127 - 07/07/06 11:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yup, the Jews-Can-Do-No-Wrong attitude needs to fucking evaporate. I remember one of the Israeli Zionists saying that unless the prisoner was released, they'd have to cease 'diplomatic actions' and that they could assassinate the Palestinean president. Only the Jews could consider bombing bridges and power stations "diplomatic actions". But, as long as our media is monopolized by Geffen, Spielberg, Pearlstine and such, we'll still get the story that it's Us and the Jews, united in brotherhood, against those dirty filthy Muslim lunatics. We'll keep being told how great "multiculturalism" is, we'll keep having the same old song-and-dance routine on TV where blacks are creative and super-cool, we'll keep seeing MTV and other 'music' programs dominated by non-white music and we'll keep on doing all of this while pouring billions of dollars in weapons and money into Israel so that they can keep their racist apartheid little state. Burning both ends.... Lets pray that Hamas gets a hold of some nukes in the near future...


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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5831139 - 07/07/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

We'll also keep ignoring the giant, real threat of North Korea and instead chase Israels enemies all around the desert at the cost of billions of dollars and thousands of American lives. Ever wonder why that is?


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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5831160 - 07/07/06 11:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe it wasn't the best move for the Palestinian people to elect a terrorist organization into government....

These "members of an extremist Palestinian movement" are probably working with Hamas, or it is Hamas itself.
Since Hamas has "sympathy" for these kidnappers


http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-07-03-voa47.cfm

If Hamas cannot control it fringe elements or itself, they should be treated the exact way, that they are now.


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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5831209 - 07/07/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Right on xDuckYouSuckerx.

I'm Jewish, and I have a lot of Jewish friends and family always trying to rally me for Israel, saying stuff like, the anti-semitism has got to stop, we must fight for our rights. Mass emails, blah blah blah. Then when I tell them my views they are just silent, and don't know what to say.

Israel is on some fucked up bullshit, and they will never see victory until they kill most of the Palestinian population. It's a sad situation. We are definitely entering WW III.


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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5831229 - 07/07/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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SirTripAlot said:
If Hamas cannot control it fringe elements or itself, they should be treated the exact way, that they are now.




I don't agree. Violence will not solve anything. Because there will always be a son or daughter of one of those people killed who will vow to get revenge. The Palestinians are oppressed, and you cannot force oppressed people into civilized behaviour. If they were not forced into the situation they are in it wouldn't be this way. Palestinians do not hate Jews by nature, it's about history. Israeli's need to own up to their mistakes.


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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: tallgreen]
    #5831836 - 07/07/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The whole world should get together and force the jews and the muslims to breed together, then maybe the next generation would have a clue.


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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: tallgreen]
    #5832045 - 07/07/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Unfortunately, morality is meaningless when someone is oppressed.


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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: tallgreen]
    #5832059 - 07/07/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Right on xDuckYouSuckerx.

I'm Jewish, and I have a lot of Jewish friends and family always trying to rally me for Israel, saying stuff like, the anti-semitism has got to stop, we must fight for our rights. Mass emails, blah blah blah. Then when I tell them my views they are just silent, and don't know what to say.

Israel is on some fucked up bullshit, and they will never see victory until they kill most of the Palestinian population. It's a sad situation. We are definitely entering WW III.




You are aware that Ducky hates Jews in general, right?


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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: Basilides]
    #5832152 - 07/07/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

No I was not aware of that, but that doesn't change what I think about what he said. If he thinks a whole group of people deserve to be hated that's his own ignorance. Besides, I'm a Buddhist now, I was raised Jewish.


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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5832438 - 07/07/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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xDuckYouSuckerx said:
Lets pray that Hamas gets a hold of some nukes in the near future...




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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5832447 - 07/07/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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SirTripAlot said:
These "members of an extremist Palestinian movement" are probably working with Hamas, or it is Hamas itself.





hmm, i'm not sure about that. can anyone find out if the kidnappers were related to the palestinian government?

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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: exclusive58]
    #5832770 - 07/07/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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There's so much going on right now, I'm having a hard time keeping up with the news, but let me try to make some sense of what's happening. After members of an extremist palestinian movement have kidnapped an Israeli soldier on June 25 and have called for negotiating an exchange of prisoners, the Israeli government has refused and has proceeded in bombing palestinian infrastructures.




At least two lies here. One of omission, one of commision.

Lie the first, Omission: There were two soldiers killed in the attack as well, by agents who had tunneled into Israeli territory (pre '48 borders). There have also been regular rocket attacks fired from the Strip into Israel (pre-'48 borders) for months. Now they have a rocket with even more range, which they fire.

Lie the second, Commission: "members of an extremist palestinian movement". Nope, they are acting at the behest of the Palestinian government. They are in fact the mainstream government supported movement. Let us not forget the murder of the settler, either. Acts of war, which this was, deserve a warlike response.

I did and still do consider it a brilliant stroke to cede the Gaza to the troglodytes. They have now shown their hairy red ass twice. By electing a terrorist organization to run the country they can no longer even pretend to be reasonable actors or victims, and by the duky elected government of Paleswinia kidnapping and negotiating for the release of a kidnapping victim. Are they at war or are they not? Their actions clearly say yes. Fuck them unto the ends of the earth, may they all suck at the Hamas teat forever (not so fruitful, is it?)


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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5832815 - 07/07/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Isn't the current Gaza offensive a war-like response?


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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: Basilides]
    #5832840 - 07/07/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Kind of, they still seem to be rather restrained. Appropriately so, I might add.


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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5832854 - 07/07/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Would an unrestrained response include re-occupying Gaza? Cuz they're doing everything short of moving back in at the moment.


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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: Basilides]
    #5832881 - 07/07/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think that would be foolish. For the same reason I thought giving it to them in the first place was brilliant. The more rope you give them, the higher they hang themselves. Let us not all forget, the people voted Hamas into power. Now they have to live with their choice.


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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5832907 - 07/07/06 06:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

As far as doing every thing short of that, I think you are mistaken. They could very easily just say fuck it and blow everything up until they find the guy's corpse and then just leave a smoking crater. One could make a strong argument that Dhimmi Carter's failure to take on the Iranian mullahs, without regard to the lives of the hostages, might have saved thousands of lives later. Think about it. It was a nascent movement that hardly had it's feet on the ground when it gained tons of street cred by standing up to, and getting away with it, the Big Boy on the Block. The USSR wouldn't have done shit if we just fucking laid them to waste then. They committed an act of war when they invaded the embassy. End of discussion.


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Re: Israel's Invasion of Gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5833074 - 07/07/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Are you saying that the current situation in Israel is not a war? War has been consistent there since 2000 when all that Oslo jargon collapsed on itself :shrug:


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