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Spirituality pill?
    #5829704 - 07/06/06 10:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No not acid, apparently this pill helps you with you spiritual pursuits.  Seems like bullshit marketing to me, but the concept seems interesting.  What do you think?  Here's the link.

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Re: Spirituality pill? [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #5829740 - 07/06/06 10:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Meh... it'll probably just screw up yer cell phone.


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Re: Spirituality pill? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5830159 - 07/07/06 12:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

looks like bullshit to me


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Re: Spirituality pill? [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5830333 - 07/07/06 01:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not even clicking the link.

I smell matrix.


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Re: Spirituality pill? [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5830495 - 07/07/06 03:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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DinahTheCat said:
looks like bullshit to me



derived from the snakeoil school of
package it
and those farmers will buy it.
damn city slickers.


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Re: Spirituality pill? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5830716 - 07/07/06 07:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
snakeoil




If it's legit, I'd like to see a lot more research done on it.


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Re: Spirituality pill? [Re: dblaney]
    #5830799 - 07/07/06 08:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You cannot get spirituality from a pill.  Just not how it works :smile:


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Re: Spirituality pill? [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #5831648 - 07/07/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, that is clearly bullshit you ought to be able to spot from six miles away. Why do I say that? Well...

1)"Unique Magnetic Properties have been found in the cell and brain tissues of all animals including humans, explaining Extraordinary Animal Sixth Sense..." that's the full quote from the site, they left it with the dots at the end and didn't bother to give a source for that quotation in an effort to give a fallacious statement more weight. Plus, "cell AND brain tissues"?! The sensible way for them to arrange that sentence would have been '...in the cells and nervous tissue of the brain...', otherwise anyone who knows anything about bio will just laugh at you.

2)There's lots of flawed bits to chose from, but the Homing Sensory Test they site as evidence eating magnetite improves receptivity to magnetic fields didn't have a control group for the experiment.

3)'You experience life through your Cells because they work and contribute to maximizing the bodies potential as a whole. What they experience you experience!' Um, no, not at all. You experience your life through your sensory perceptions, maybe. Through your neural activity even, I'll buy. But there's a hell of a lot going on cellularly of which we are completely unaware. If we experienced life through our cells, we could detect our own tumors. Our cells don't maximize the body's potential, they ARE the body.

4)The ingredients list looks like a multivitamin plus that DMAE fish-fat stuff, plus their magnetitum , and I don't see on their site any evidence that magnetite ingested through the digestive system is going to end up anywhere other than your poop.

5)None of their 'testimonials' have names attached.

6)When most people talk about a sixth sense, they don't mean their sense of direction when their eyes are closed.

"No not acid, apparently this pill helps you with you spiritual pursuits. Seems like bullshit marketing to me, but the concept seems interesting. What do you think?" -- Quoiyaien
I find the idea of a pill to help you with your spiritual pursuits slightly offensive, crass and indicative of a lack of patience on the part of the pursuer, honestly. 'How is this pill different from shrooms in my books, then', you may be asking, 'or do I consider shrooms crass as well?' No I don't, and I'll tell you why. Shrooms and acid are trips, with their own wisdom to impart, with things to teach the mind under their influence. This pill doesn't seem to alter your conciousness, it just claims to enhance it and it's that I have a beef with.


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Re: Spirituality pill? [Re: Panoramix]
    #5831672 - 07/07/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

the real spirituality pill is really a sweet-tart with 5 hits of LSD-25 on it

Take two and call me in the morning......


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Re: Spirituality pill? [Re: Openedeyes]
    #5831887 - 07/07/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I was expecting this thread to be about acid when I saw it. I'm not so sure about the pop-tart though, I'm a "keep 'em tucked behind my molars all afternoon" kinda guy, myself. I'd feel like an ingrate just chowing 'em down with some food.


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Re: Spirituality pill? [Re: Panoramix]
    #5832074 - 07/07/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

anybody remember those pink sandoz strips a while back? they where legal. especially in europe. pure lsd and otc.

the times they are a changing


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Re: Spirituality pill? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5832333 - 07/07/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

jealousy becomes me


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Re: Spirituality pill? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5833006 - 07/07/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think i want to become... "spritiual?", oh a pill! fast and easy! great! yeah!


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Re: Spirituality pill? [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5833062 - 07/07/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Not to address the specific nature of this particular "spiritual pill", but the concept itself would seem to be an entirely valid one. I do not believe that many individuals who participate in this forum would deny the correlation amongst spirituality and mushrooms or acid.

I mean, sure, we have the stock phrase "Mushrooms and acid are not in themselves spiritul, just that those who experience spiritual qualities on these drugs were of the spiritual mindset, set and setting...", but the fact is that if there is a mental mechanism by which spirituality is developed, produced, and experienced, certain chemicals that specifically influence the way the mind works could, quite possibly, effect the development, production, and experience of spirituality.

It, quite obviously, isn't in any way that simple; however, chemical balances demonstratively link chemical influence to change in mental state.

Simply some thoughts to be considered. I haven't personally clicked the link, and am sure that it is bogus, but felt the need to address a certain vibe that was apparent in certain posts. :grin:

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Re: Spirituality pill? [Re: Panoramix]
    #5833088 - 07/07/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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"No not acid, apparently this pill helps you with you spiritual pursuits. Seems like bullshit marketing to me, but the concept seems interesting. What do you think?" -- Quoiyaien
I find the idea of a pill to help you with your spiritual pursuits slightly offensive, crass and indicative of a lack of patience on the part of the pursuer, honestly.  'How is this pill different from shrooms in my books, then', you may be asking, 'or do I consider shrooms crass as well?'  No I don't, and I'll tell you why.  Shrooms and acid are trips, with their own wisdom to impart, with things to teach the mind under their influence.  This pill doesn't seem to alter your conciousness, it just claims to enhance it and it's that I have a beef with.




Not to be entirely blunt, but he clearly stated that "the concept seems interesting". Your reasoning does not make sense considering this, as you attempt some hypothetical comparison of mushrooms and their experience and "this pill", which is definitely not what is being addressed. "The concept"...

If quiet, atmospheric surroundings can help you with your spiritual pursuits, if having the oppurtunity to develop discipline by not becoming emotionally upset in a frustrating situation can help you with your spiritual pursuits, then a conceptual "spiritual pill" could certainly have a beneficial effect upon one's spiritual pursuits, as any aspect of reality that one relates to in some way is a cornucopia of oppurtunity to develop spiritually.

The concept makes sense. :wink:

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Re: Spirituality pill? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5833311 - 07/07/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

nonononono the concept the LINK (http://www.magneurol.com/) describes makes absolutely NO SENSE. I agree that spiritualilty can be acheived from merely pyschoactives, but it does not acheive spirituality for all, as in a mushroom trip for me might, but a mushroom trip for rush limbough may not....


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Re: Spirituality pill? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5834020 - 07/08/06 12:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"...as you attempt some hypothetical comparison of mushrooms and their experience and "this pill", which is definitely not what is being addressed..." --FireworksGod

"...apparently this pill helps you with you spiritual pursuits. Seems like bullshit marketing to me..." --Quoiyaien

If this particular pill, magneurol, is in fact not what is being addressed, then why is a link to the magneurol website in the first post of this thread? If Quoiyaien didn't want it to be part of the discussion, it seems to me that he wouldn't have posted a link to their site, y'know? Not to be a jackass or anything, but you might want to read the link before you claim to know what concepts I am and am not commenting on. That pill made NO SENSE, and clearly was supposed to work via a different set of mechanisms than shrooms, acid or other genuine entheogens that actually hold worth.

And yes, any experience can serve as an opportunity to grow spiritually, so I can't really say that this particular pill has NO value, but I suspect that swallowing bits of gravel provides the same potential for learning as swallowing Magneurol, plus it's a fair bit cheaper. I was hoping to illustrate in my earlier post that I feel I can advocate mushrooms as a spiritual tool that lends itself to the betterment of the participant and call this magneurol stuff bullshit without contradicting myself because it seems to me the two are completely unrelated, one being bonafide and the other being not, that's all.

"spiritualilty can be acheived from merely pyschoactives, but it does not acheive spirituality for all, as in a mushroom trip for me might, but a mushroom trip for rush limbough may not...." --Dinah the Cat

And there's the rub, I think the theoretical pill Fireworks would like to discuss would have a profound spiritual effect on all those that take it, irregardfull of their setting, mindframe or even their willingness to partake in the experience. If indeed spirituality is simply a function of certain chemicals in the brain acting in certain ways to trigger mechanisms that allow for the spiritual experience, then that experience would be triggerable simply by exposure to the right chemicals in the right concentrations, and would be duplicable in anyone with a functional brain. But the closest things we've got to spiritual aids don't produce a certain set of results all the time, because spirituality is more complicated than that (as you yourself said, Fireworks, not trying to knock you here or anything). I've gotta say, I still find the idea of pills that allow you to learn some lessons without actually having to have the experience required to learn the lessons is counterproductive to the growth of the individual, but that's just me. Clearly some people are willing to shell out cash for the promise of being able to circumvent the act of learning and skip straight to the knowing.


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Re: Spirituality pill? [Re: Panoramix]
    #5834615 - 07/08/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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If this particular pill, magneurol, is in fact not what is being addressed, then why is a link to the magneurol website in the first post of this thread?




To provide the context in which his thoughts arose from, perhaps? He clearly states he thinks this particular pill is simply bullshit marketing, but was intrigued by the concept, and wished to discuss it.

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  If Quoiyaien didn't want it to be part of the discussion, it seems to me that he wouldn't have posted a link to their site, y'know?




Well, you're right, I think it would have been more effective if he simply stated "The concept of a spiritual pill, discuss." :smirk:

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That pill made NO SENSE, and clearly was supposed to work via a different set of mechanisms than shrooms, acid or other genuine entheogens that actually hold worth.




Different set of mechanisms, eh? Which set of mechanisms do "genuine" entheogens work on? For example, I was to understand that salvia works in a manner entirely distinct from other entheogens. The fact that a chemical, in theory, would work by a different set of mechanisms than other chemicals that produce similar effects, does not mean anything.

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And yes, any experience can serve as an opportunity to grow spiritually, so I can't really say that this particular pill has NO value, but I suspect that swallowing bits of gravel provides the same potential for learning as swallowing Magneurol, plus it's a fair bit cheaper.




Perhaps, but I believe we were discussing the concept of a "spiritual pill" that actually worked... I think such a pill would be more effective than gravel. :wink:

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  I was hoping to illustrate in my earlier post that I feel I can advocate mushrooms as a spiritual tool that lends itself to the betterment of the participant and call this magneurol stuff bullshit without contradicting myself because it seems to me the two are completely unrelated, one being bonafide and the other being not, that's all.




Well certainly, not one person in this thread has been so bold as to claim that this pill had any actual merit. We might as well all sit around talking about how the sky is blue if this is all we wish to discuss. :grin:

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And there's the rub, I think the theoretical pill Fireworks would like to discuss would have a profound spiritual effect on all those that take it, irregardfull of their setting, mindframe or even their willingness to partake in the experience.




Sounsd like it would solve a lot of our collective life situation's problems to me. A profound spiritual effect regardless of whatever circumstance that person was in beforehand would effectively open their mind and their perceptions. I detect the sentiment that such a theoretical pill would not be "true" spirituality, but yet a profound spiritual effect is a profound spiritual effect.

It has not been declared that this pill would be something that would be consumed every day, and the nature of the mushroom and acid experience would probably suggest that such a thing would not be possible, nor should it be.

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  If indeed spirituality is simply a function of certain chemicals in the brain acting in certain ways to trigger mechanisms that allow for the spiritual experience, then that experience would be triggerable simply by exposure to the right chemicals in the right concentrations, and would be duplicable in anyone with a functional brain.




I feel that this should be studied and tests should be run in order to find this spiritual chemical, one that would produce a profound spiritual effect regardless of set and setting or the previous mental programming of the individual.

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  But the closest things we've got to spiritual aids don't produce a certain set of results all the time, because spirituality is more complicated than that (as you yourself said, Fireworks, not trying to knock you here or anything).




Exactly, mental resistance and limitations prevent everyone from experiencing a profound, spiritual effect on hallucinogens. This theoretical chemical would alleviate this and would provide a profound, spiritual effect for all. :grin:

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  I've gotta say, I still find the idea of pills that allow you to learn some lessons without actually having to have the experience required to learn the lessons is counterproductive to the growth of the individual, but that's just me.




Not at all. Let them have their profound, spiritual experience, regardless of who they were or the effort they have exerted. It will change their mind and they will begin to walk the path of higher awareness afterwards. Who cares if their path up to that point and the proper conditions weren't just right for them to become aware on their own, open their eyes in an amazing way and let them begin to truly develop as a human being!

Suffering is a struggle, and it is not very often that those who suffer become aware of why they are suffering, let alone how to transcend that suffering. Expose them to a state of mind without suffering, they will naturally develop to continue to not suffer.

This is all conceptual and theoretical here. The notion of spirituality as something that cannot be grasped without "proper effort" is one that might need to be addressed. Its like screaming at someone in immense pain "You can't have liberation until you stop suffering in pain!" or something. :tongue:

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Clearly some people are willing to shell out cash for the promise of being able to circumvent the act of learning and skip straight to the knowing.




Knowing occurs naturally and without limitation when one is directly perceiving and experiencing reality without obstruction. Give someone an experience of direct perception and they will know.

Learning knowing pretty much same thing. :grin:

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Re: Spirituality pill? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5834660 - 07/08/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"Learning knowing pretty much same thing." --FireworksGod

Yeah, definately the way you argue it, they are. The spiritual pill I was imagining didn't make you trip, same as was the case with the example drug Quoiyaien gave, it just gave you the insights you would try to carry back with you from your trip if you'd done mushrooms. I was supposing a 'knowing' without the requisite 'learning', which is kinda silly, I suppose, but hey, I was higher lo those many hours ago. I think that tripping by it's very nature is something that MUST be a consensual and internally supported experience, if you refuse to let yourself go with it, then you don't learn anything.  I think that learning to relinquish control is an essential part of the whole experience, and without being willing to take that step, no subsequent steps are possible.  It'd be nice if I were wrong, though, and hey, I usually am. That speaks well of our odds!  :biggrin:


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