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Potencey and heat...MYTH!
    #5827542 - 07/06/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know if this belongs here or not. If not by all means move it.

On the 4th I had some mushy-tea 5G dry. Ground to powder in a coffee grinder, Added to a cup of boiling water, then added a regular teabag, some lemon and some sweet & low. Stirred every so often for about 5 minutes. Then filtered it woth a coffee filter into another mug to take out any sediment.

Best visuals ever! To me this totally debunked the theory that psilocybin is destroyed over 120+ Fahrenheit.


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Re: Potencey and heat...MYTH! [Re: Psychonaught]
    #5827575 - 07/06/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

They were in there for 5 MINUTES, not 10-15 HOURS like a dehydrator. It's not like bleach and a counter top.

And do you think water stays at 212 or cools down?

Plus you used 5 grams which would have more than accounted for potency loss.


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Re: Potencey and heat...MYTH! [Re: Psychonaught]
    #5827624 - 07/06/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What people mean when they say that heat degrads the alkalines in the mushrooms, they are talking about drying process and prolonged exposure to heat. When you juice the mushrooms into tea like you said you only juiced them for 5 minutes. Not to mention you probably did destroy a lot of the active ingrediants in them considering most people can get to a level 5 trip off of 3.5 grams dry. That was quite a waste if you ask me.

I hate to tell you man but i think instead of debunking the so called myth you just proved it and wasted a few grams of dried mushrooms.


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Re: Potencey and heat...MYTH! [Re: kristen]
    #5827635 - 07/06/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

nobody said psilocybin is destroyed at 120F...  at least nobody who knows what they're talking about.

its psilosin that is more readily broken down.  and its not necessarily due to the heat itself, and its not necessarily "breaking down", psilosin is readily oxidized, and introducing heat makes it happen faster... period, end of discussion.  it is also possible that under certain conditions, psilocybin is dephosphorylated into psilosin and then readily oxidized as well, and again this process can happen quicker when heat is involved, again, fact, end of discussion.  as for heat directly and simply "breaking down" psilocybin, not likely.  its these other conditions that lead to a degredation in overall potency.  it happens. there's not a doubt.  HOW MUCH it happens, and how much it actually effects anything, that's still up for discussion.

fact is, we don't completely understand this, and nobody has proof either way (at least useful proof that's more than anecdotal experiences such as this!)  any scientific evidence that does exist typically involves various tests on pure versions of the subtstance(s)... you know, ideal lab type situations, so little is know _for sure_ about how the substances hold up in mushroom tissue itself during stages of drying, and then cooking or making tea with or whatever you so choose to do with it in a "real world" situation.

if you think you just proved something because you made a cup of tea and tripped balls.... think again... but glad it worked out for ya, people have been doing it for years you know.  unless you got a time machine over there to go back and eat those same exact 5g of mushrooms without exposing them to heat to see if there's a difference, you've proven nothing that we didn't already know. :smile:


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Re: Potencey and heat...MYTH! [Re: kristen]
    #5827814 - 07/06/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Nice condescension Kristen. HEH.

And for everyone else It's not a waste when you have more than you know what to do with. Also some of use have high tolerances and need at least 5G's to get off.

I read many posts where people said the tea method didn't work because the water was over 120 degrees and the psilocybin was destroyed...Having never had tea I wanted to see if it was true...it was not and worked great. *point*


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Re: Potencey and heat...MYTH! [Re: 2FiNiTe]
    #5827895 - 07/06/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

most ppl can get to level 5 off of an 8th?  :thumbdown:


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Re: Potencey and heat...MYTH! [Re: astabooty]
    #5827980 - 07/06/06 03:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Level 5 off an 8th? I totally agree.

And yes, heat destroys it. Before I knew what I was doing I boiled an 8th of cubensis for 10-15 minutes and absolutely nothing happened.


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Re: Potencey and heat...MYTH! [Re: shroomanic]
    #5828076 - 07/06/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i don't think most people get to a level 5 off an eigth. that would bring you to a level 3 usually, maybe tinkering towards a level 4 depending on circumstances and potency but ive never heard of anyone having a level 5 off an eigth without the use of an MAOI.


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Re: Potencey and heat...MYTH! [Re: kake]
    #5828179 - 07/06/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If you had the powder + tea bag in a pot, then got your water (or even better, cranberry juice) boiling in another pot, then lifted it off the heat, held it for 10 seconds to cool down, then pour it into the pot with your teabags + powder, stir, and put a plate on top, then turn on low heat (3 out of 10) and stir every 5 minutes for 20 minutes.... you would have been better off. You WOULD have had more alkaloids... and no one of any credible sense says "Tea doesn't make me trip!" or "I didn't trip off of tea" without some extra, usually unmentioned, factor.  :thumbup: :mushroom2:

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Re: Potencey and heat...MYTH! [Re: SDP]
    #5828228 - 07/06/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

When I make tea I boil up some water and throws the mushrooms and a tea bag in a cup and just pour water over it then I drink it as soon as it cools off alittle and swallow the mushrooms whole as well. I do this mainly just because its an easy way to consume them. I like to chew on a few of them as well a little. I noticed that this gives a faster onset for me at least and also a shorter duration of the trip, just like other have tells the lemonjuice method works for them.


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Re: Potencey and heat...MYTH! [Re: shamantra]
    #5838286 - 07/09/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

just one quetion

what is the MAx temperature you for drying mushrooms?

i dry them with warm air, like 25-40 celzuis (about 75-105F)

am i doing something wrong?


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Re: Potencey and heat...MYTH! [Re: majlo]
    #5838971 - 07/09/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'd put them in an air tight container with some dessecant in there. I read that it's a pretty reliable way. I've never done it, so I'm not sure.

But you should be fine with those temps.


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Re: Potencey and heat...MYTH! [Re: shroomanic]
    #5839331 - 07/09/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

wtf is all this talk about reaching level 5? I am usually not looking to reach a so called "level 5", because it is quite intense.

I prefer the shulgin scale. woot.


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Re: Potencey and heat...MYTH! [Re: 2859558484]
    #5839363 - 07/09/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

this shulgin scale you speak of...I must research this.

I've pretty much disregarded the level system, because I usually find myself trying to decide which level I'm at. It's annoying. Now I just let myself go and flow. Usually reaching ego-death. Which is very nice to me.


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Re: Potencey and heat...MYTH! [Re: shroomanic]
    #5841240 - 07/10/06 01:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Trust me you probably don't want to dry a large volume of shrooms in a decedent chamber. It becomes very messy very quick. However they can work very well for smaller amounts. Basically an eighth or less.


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Re: Potencey and heat...MYTH! [Re: chris92346]
    #17241262 - 11/18/12 02:51 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

What about an ounce and up?


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Re: Potencey and heat...MYTH! [Re: jwthefunguy]
    #17241536 - 11/18/12 03:32 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

6 year old thread...


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