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Nalu
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Rhode Island. Amanita muscaria var. formosa??
#5827274 - 07/06/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sorry if this is repetitive to the other Amanita posts. These mushrooms were found between 6/28/06 - 7/5/06 in Rhode Island, last week it was very rainy and it has been raining on and off since. Many were missing their veil and/or patches due to the rain so it might be difficult to ID, but any input would be appreciated. The two specimens in the first picture were found under a coniferous tree with mulch in someone's front yard, I was not able to take the time to dig up the base but they looked bulbous and similar to the other specimens from what I could see. The rest were found under oak trees growing in a mossy area in woods near my neighborhood.
Gills: free/nearly attached, crowded Stem: fibrous, hollow, many with veil, bulbous base, some had roots attached at base. 1"-4" length. Cap: yellow, convex to flat, with slight radial lines, 1"-4" wide. Spore print: white







Edited by Nalu (07/06/06 11:21 AM)
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Re: Rhode Island. Amanita muscaria var. formosa?? [Re: Nalu]
#5827871 - 07/06/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Certainly not A. muscaria.
I'm not so well adept at ID'ing Amanitas over the net, but my best guess is A. flavoconia, based on location under Quercus sp. and apparent presence of annulus.
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Re: Rhode Island. Amanita muscaria var. formosa?? [Re: lIXII]
#5828028 - 07/06/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree with IIXII. Muscarias don't have smooth bases like these.
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Re: Rhode Island. Amanita muscaria var. formosa?? [Re: lIXII]
#5828031 - 07/06/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why not A. muscaria var. formosa??? Especially the young specimens in photos 4 and 5, appear to be A. muscaria var. formosa.
A. flavoconia normally appears with a darker more orange hue to the cap.
Although I suspect this collection of 7 photos may depict more than one species of Amanita.
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Re: Rhode Island. Amanita muscaria var. formosa?? [Re: xmush]
#5828038 - 07/06/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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xmush said: I agree with IIXII. Muscarias don't have smooth bases like these.
Good point. the mature mushrooms pictured are rather smooth on the stipe.
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Re: Rhode Island. Amanita muscaria var. formosa?? [Re: CureCat]
#5828403 - 07/06/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Color of cap is *greatly* overused by people for identification. The cap color of young mushrooms can be extremely variable, and when you throw in color fading due to sunlight or rain the range of colors that can be found in a species can be so wide that it's very confusing.
One of the big things to look for in A. muscaria is multiple rings of volval tissue near the base of the stem. Your specimens don't appear to have that. That doesn't mean that they're definitely not A. muscaria, but, if they are, their oddness makes them more difficult to confirm an ID for them.
Last I heard, Dr Tulloss has come up with a few dozen yellow-to-brown capped species of Amanita that still haven't been published anywhere. Without a microscope and some chemical reagents, IDing yellow or brown capped Amanitas is a lot more guess than certainty.
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Re: Rhode Island. Amanita muscaria var. formosa?? [Re: ToxicMan]
#5828756 - 07/06/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Word up ToxicMan! The stipe and bulbous base are often the most telling, especially when distinguishing species within Amanita. I will not rule out A. muscaria, but I would absolutely not make a positive ID, nor will I recommend trying ANY of these amanitas. Indeed, pins or young mushrooms are often difficult to impossible to identify, and it is irresponsible to make a positive ID based on any photos.
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Re: Rhode Island. Amanita muscaria var. formosa?? [Re: ToxicMan]
#5830814 - 07/07/06 08:33 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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ToxicMan said: Color of cap is *greatly* overused by people for identification. The cap color of young mushrooms can be extremely variable, and when you throw in color fading due to sunlight or rain the " range of colors that can be found in a species can be so wide " that it's very confusing.
One of the big things to look for in A. muscaria is multiple rings of volval tissue near the base of the stem. " Your specimens don't appear to have that. " That doesn't mean that they're definitely not " A. muscaria, but, if they are, their oddness makes them more difficult to confirm an ID for them.
Last I heard, Dr Tulloss has come up with a few dozen yellow-to-brown capped species of Amanita that still haven't been published anywhere. Without a microscope and some chemical reagents, IDing yellow or brown capped Amanitas is a lot more guess than certainty.
Happy mushrooming!
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Nalu
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Re: Rhode Island. Amanita muscaria var. formosa?? [Re: shroominDole]
#5838346 - 07/09/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the great replies! They very well could have been A. flavoconia, especially since they were pretty small, most between 1
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