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OfflineoO_wombat_Oo
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Mistaking Poison Fungi for Psilocybes
    #582679 - 03/18/02 08:59 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I've been hunting, reading about and photographing mushrooms for a quite a while - even cultivating them. I feel very confident that I know what I'm doing.

One of my mates is so overly cautious when shroom hunting that he's missing out on pounds of mushrooms on every trip. I advised him "If it grows out of cow shit, goes blue when bruised and has brown-grey gills, then pick it!". I'll double check anything remotely suspicious but I'm just wondering if there is any mushroom that:


1) Grows directly out of cow manure
AND
2) Goes blue when bruised
AND
3) Has brown-grey gills
AND
4) Is also poisonous


If there is I've never heard or seen it. It could be an excellent 3-step safe-pick guide: 1) Grew directly from cow manure, 2) Bruised Blue and 3) Has Brown-grey Gills.

Now I know people can make dumb mistakes, better to be safe than sorry etc. Just to be extra safe you could add "ensure it has a purple (Psilocybe cubensis/sub) or black (Copelandia cyanescens) spore print".

I'm not asking if people can make mistakes or not - I am fully aware they can. What I'm asking is if there is any mushroom that fulfills those above listed four criteria (in blue) !?


Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (03/19/02 03:11 AM)


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Re: Mistaking Poison Fungi for Psilocybes [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #582863 - 03/19/02 01:11 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I'm with you, if there is I've never heard of it. My understanding is that there aren't really that many mushrooms that are REALLY deadly poisonous. Sure there are tons that will make you real sick, but Death Caps are the most poisonous, and there's no mistaking those babies! Lucky for us Aussies they aren't that common down under. Two reported cases of death from Amanita Phalloides in Australia ever (from what I've read, please don't quote or flame me.)

Of course, this doesn't mean that you shouldn't be real careful when eating fungus. My advice to anyone who isn't an experienced mycologist is "don't eat mushrooms." Simple and safe.


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Re: Mistaking Poison Fungi for Psilocybes [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #583018 - 03/19/02 05:23 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I think your guide is excellent and should be safe for people wishing to experience shrooms. Many books list Psilocybe and Copelandia as Poisonous & Hallucinogenic, which could confuse the beginners.
Guidelines for dosage rates could be hard to work out due the varying factors of wild shrooms collecting and the large variations in Hallucinogenic properties of the Poison
Great ideas keep up the risk reducer tips.


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Re: Mistaking Poison Fungi for Psilocybes [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #583020 - 03/19/02 05:34 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I agree.

I would like to point out how easy that it is for a young newbie to get the wrong idea as to what is safe to eat:

A few months ago another respected member posted multiple threads showing his gorgerious mushroom find. The pics were very high quality, and he seemed proud to show them off here. The only problem was that they were shown growing on LIVE TREES and LUMBER!! They in no way looked like "magic", and in fact resemble what I have seen growing on the outside of my fathers SHED!!

If this member had followed your basic advise he probley would of never consider them a "find". (thank God we all talked him out of eating them). The threads are still here somewhere.

Anyway, I agree with you summary of whats the safest thing to look for. Pretty good advise as long as people listien and dont get to anxious to find a free trip.

PS: I would add that the a magic spore print should be a very dark purple/blackish color, NEVER rusty brown.


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Edited by Jammer (03/19/02 05:38 AM)


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Re: Mistaking Poison Fungi for Psilocybes [Re: MagicRooms]
    #583200 - 03/19/02 12:07 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Since I was the first person to present the reading public with dosages for the various mushrooms, one may need to read my field guide at http://www.erowid.org

Safe-Pik Mushroom Id Guide.

I list dosges for seven species. I also did that in Magic Mushrooms of the Pacific Northwest.

As for some poisonous look-a-likes, check at http:..mjshroomer.yage.net/species.html

Click the mouse on the poisonous look-a-likes and see comparisons to P. cyanescens and Galerina authumnalis. And the P. stuntzii and Galerina autumanlas and G. marginata.

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Re: Mistaking Poison Fungi for Psilocybes [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #583269 - 03/19/02 12:58 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

This is why Im making the mushroom hunting video -
This question is the crux of the first installment -
"Mushroom Hunting, 101"
how to find and identify mushrooms and not die doing it

Its about learning to identify a species Genus, and thereby recognising the deifferences between dangerous and not-so-dangerous mushrooms.

In the mean time, take a spore print of what you find, and compare it to the known genera.
That will confirm your bluing, dung-loving mushroom find beyond a shadow of a doubt -


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Re: Mistaking Poison Fungi for Psilocybes [Re: mattso]
    #584798 - 03/21/02 02:33 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Please let us know when the video is completed! That sounds very interesting.


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