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Re: Tennesseans Criminalized for Eating Stropharia Rugosa Annulata et al. [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5836296 - 07/08/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Honestly I don't see this as a threat. These plants are hard to identify, unlike marijuana or the poppy. Very few use them, fewer grow them, and unless extensive training on LEO, I bet nobody will fall for these entheogens. It may be on paper, but good luck enforcing it. All this is doing is knocking these products out of specialty shops where kids can get loopy (I have a local salvia bar, its far from great). (KK) Calea Zacatechichi, what a joke, prolly one of the plants with less effects. I get more spiritual on tobacco. I live in a border state of Tenn. and if my state makes one of these, I really wouldn't care as it won't be enforced unless you grab attention with a more well know drug, and they pull an investigation into your personal garden. People in the South mind their own business, do what you do, and many will not bother. I have lanced poppies in front of people jogging/riding bikes, and had waved with attention. Incredible how low key every plant is except Cannabis.

Just my views. I do not agree with the law but I do not see it as a threat. Thanks for reading.


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Re: Tennesseans Criminalized for Eating Stropharia Rugosa Annulata et al. [Re: MycoCakeEater]
    #5836736 - 07/08/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

no this is going to be a huge effect. because its going to shut down the internet on legal herbs ect. but i really hope the internet will still carry the seeds for all these plants ect. because i would feel very ripped off in life to not have had the chance to try each of them at least once in my life....i feel plants have so much knowledge if used currectly.


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Re: Tennesseans Criminalized for Eating Stropharia Rugosa Annulata et al. [Re: debianlinux]
    #5839344 - 07/09/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Just to be clear though, it is still legal to grow Salvia divinorum in tennessee as long as you aren't growing it "for production" of salvinorin, right?


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Re: Tennesseans Criminalized for Eating Stropharia Rugosa Annulata et al. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5839991 - 07/09/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That seems to be correct.

I'm most pissed about two points.

I was in posession of a small amount of standardized 5X Salvia when this law passed. Therefore I was criminalized.
The blanket prohibition of entire genera criminalizes thousands. The very concept of criminalizing plants and fungi is outrageous to begin with; the ignorant inclusion of agriculturally important species is abhorrent (esp. in a primarily agricultural geography).


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Re: Tennesseans Criminalized for Eating Stropharia Rugosa Annulata et al. [Re: debianlinux]
    #5840004 - 07/09/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with you, and it pisses me off as well. But this is the society we live in, and this is what we have allowed our government to do.

I look at it similarly to this situation: Killing a person will land you in prison, for life most of the time. Killing an insect or tree/plant/flower/fungus (unless it's "protected"), which I am guilty of as well as everyone else, has no punishment ninety-nine times out of a hundred.

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Re: Tennesseans Criminalized for Eating Stropharia Rugosa Annulata et al. [Re: demiu5]
    #5840599 - 07/09/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

does this law make it legal to grow pot in your garden as a cover shrub or soil holding for slopes?


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Re: Tennesseans Criminalized for Eating Stropharia Rugosa Annulata et al. [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5841437 - 07/10/06 05:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't see Cannabis or trichocereus on the list.


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Re: Tennesseans Criminalized for Eating Stropharia Rugosa Annulata et al. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5843362 - 07/10/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, i thought i heard a better conundrum in motoman's hypothesis of growing stropharia and panaeoulus for decorative purposes. I can see the christmas garlands and wreaths now! In fact, the syntax implies itself to be an exception to preceding law.


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Re: Tennesseans Criminalized for Eating Stropharia Rugosa Annulata et al. [Re: debianlinux]
    #5843941 - 07/10/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm surprised that no one has corrected this so I will do it now. Stropharia et al. is NOT illegal in Tennessee. That list of plants (and some species which are not actually plants at all) is from the old version of the bill which was essentially a cut-a-paste from the earlier law in Lousiana. Read the erowid article more closely and you will see that the only part of the law which actually passed is this:

"(a) It is an offense to knowingly produce, manufacture, distribute, possess or
possess with intent to produce, manufacture, or distribute the active chemical ingredient
in the hallucinogenic plant Salvia divinorum A.",


with the exception that it is legal to grow if not intended for ingestion. This phrasing is absolutely weird, confusing, and retarded, and the only effect it may have is that internet vendors may stop shipping to Tennessee. However it is still legal to own the plant of course if you do not intend to smoke it, and I'm sure a simple poll would show that most of us here are only interested in the rare plant for it's startling ornamental value.

Further there are several seemingly obvious quirks about the way this law is phrased that not even erowid mentioned, and I wonder why no one is talking about them. It is stated that the substance being made illegal is "the active chemical ingredient in the hallucinogenic plant Salvia divinorum A.". Despite the fact that there is no plant called "salvia divinorum a", it is clearly stated that what is being scheduled is "the active chemical ingredient", and not the plant itself. Presumeably for the moment, I'll assume the "active chemical ingredient" that is spoken of is salvinorin A.

Since natural plants which happen to contain a controlled substance are often not capable of being considered "containers" of that substance, this may mean that salvia may not in fact be illegal at all, only little baggies of pure salvinorin are illegal. Since no one sells little baggies of pure salvinorin, and practically no one who uses salvia does so by extracting the salvinorin crystals and smoking them directly, seemingly the only effect of making it illegal is to hinder research scientists investigating the substance for it's selective KOR-agonist potential.

Then of course going back a bit we could even wonder if it is even salvinorin A that is referred to. It seems unusual to schedule a chemical by referring to it as the active ingredient in such and such. Usually when something is scheduled it is scheduled by it's chemical name. For example tetrahydrocannabinol is scheduled as tetrahydrocannabinol, not "that active ingredient in marijuana". The best part is that salvia contains dozens of active ingredients besides salvinorin a. For example, hardwickiic acid, an antibiotic, which is found in other plants besides salvia. And the salvinicins which are also found I believe in salvia splendens. Which active ingredient do they mean? And what of the legality of salvinorin B, which is non-active, yet relatively easily converted to salvinorin A?

Man, I just can't quite wrap my head around this one. If you ask me it's the perfect salvia law. It fits salvia perfectly because after experiencing it, I think, "what the hell? what was that? what does that mean????"


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Re: Tennesseans Criminalized for Eating Stropharia Rugosa Annulata et al. [Re: rocketgirl]
    #5844009 - 07/10/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

impeccable 1st post


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Re: Tennesseans Criminalized for Eating Stropharia Rugosa Annulata et al. [Re: rocketgirl]
    #5845968 - 07/11/06 07:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Louisiana still has this law.?


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