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Cheaper and Cleaner
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US eyes next step after court ruling on Guantanamo Core group of 100 a hurdle to closure By Josh White, Washington Post | July 3, 2006
WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court decision striking down military tribunals for detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, has renewed calls for the government to close the facility that has held terrorism suspects for four years. The problem facing US officials is how to shut it and what to do with the 450 men still there.
Of particular concern to the Bush administration are about 100 prisoners it considers too dangerous to ever release.
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Retired Army general Barry R. McCaffrey wrote in a recent academic paper for the US Military Academy that the United States should ``rapidly weed out as many detainees as possible and return them to their host nation," urging countries to try their nationals for war crimes and terrorist actions. If detainees appear back on the battlefield fighting the United States, ``it may be cheaper and cleaner to kill them in combat than sit on them for the next 15 years," McCaffrey wrote.
You just have to love the way military men think. Cheap and clean war?
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you disagree?
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You would rather the military figure out expensive ways to salt the land, instead?
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Re: Cheaper and Cleaner [Re: wilshire]
#5822958 - 07/05/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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"you disagree?"
I have yet to see a war that was "cheaper and cleaner" than peace.
As for holding foreign detainees indefinitely in a foreign country in violation of the Geneva Convention with torture etc. and recently ruled by the Supreme Court to be done through improper use of executive power, I see nothing cheap and clean in that endeavor either. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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I have yet to see a war that was "cheaper and cleaner" than peace.
that is not what was said in the article you posted:
If detainees appear back on the battlefield fighting the United States, ``it may be cheaper and cleaner to kill them in combat than sit on them for the next 15 years," McCaffrey wrote.
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Re: Cheaper and Cleaner [Re: wilshire]
#5823318 - 07/05/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Perhaps if the good General had done a cost analysis of the $$ per year per man incarcerated x projected incarceration time of 15 years x the number of men incarcerated versus the cost of a war to kill those same inmates of G Bay in combat it would be possible to make an actual "cheaper" analysis.
That is, if we are going to compare two expensive messy ventures in terms of "cheaper and cleaner".
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because the quote is taken out of context, we cannot tell if he was making an observation or a suggestion. it is true that it would be cheaper and cleaner to kill enemy combatants than take them prisoner. i don't know why that's seen as an important or controversial observation. it's obvious. you can kill an enemy fighter for less than a dollar. capturing and imprisoning one until the end of hostilities is far more complicated and expensive. big deal.
what do you think should be done with captured enemy fighters?
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Re: Cheaper and Cleaner [Re: wilshire]
#5823778 - 07/05/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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it's obvious. you can kill an enemy fighter for less than a dollar. capturing and imprisoning one until the end of hostilities is far more complicated and expensive. big deal.
Less than a dollar to kill an enemy fighter? That's the same price as the Big Value items at Wendy's! Such a deal!
"The Pentagon, may I take your order?"
"Yes, I would like to order 20 enemy fighters killed. No mayo or onions. Oh, and 20 ketchup packets."
"Would you like some freedom fries?"
"No thanks"
"That will be $ 19.80. Please pull ahead to the second window."
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It's war, no fucking shit people die.
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> It's war, no fucking shit people die.
But if we bombed them with flowers instead of bombs, then everybody could go home and be happy and nobody would have to die. All we have to do is leave, and there would be peace.
Edit: /sarcasm
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Re: Cheaper and Cleaner [Re: Seuss]
#5823811 - 07/05/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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hah :0
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Re: Cheaper and Cleaner [Re: Seuss]
#5823832 - 07/05/06 02:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sounds great. Flowers would be cheaper than bombs and smell better too.
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Edited by LunarEclipse (07/05/06 02:40 PM)
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What precisely is your point here?
You seem to be taking issue with a blaringly obvious truth.
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what do you think should be done with captured enemy fighters?
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Quote:
LunarEclipse said: "you disagree?"
I have yet to see a war that was "cheaper and cleaner" than peace.
Well, then, get your ass over to my house and start cleaning, my new slave. Because I'll be bringing war on your sweet innocent butt if you don't. It'll definitely be cleaner because I can't beat the current cleaning person and it most assuredly will be cheaper because I have to pay this one with more than food and a blanket on the concrete basement floor. What's that? What? You don't want to? Well fuck that pumpkin, you already surrendered. Now get on your knees and start scrubbing. And when your done scrubbing you can swear undying allegiance to zappa, who will be your new god.
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Re: Cheaper and Cleaner [Re: zappaisgod]
#5824358 - 07/05/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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In the good old days I would say "blow me" but your comment about my "sweet innocent butt" makes the old favorite "eat shit and die" more appropriate.
When you get off your delusions of grandeur or whatever substance you are abusing perhaps we can talk.
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Re: Cheaper and Cleaner [Re: wilshire]
#5824367 - 07/05/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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what do you think should be done with captured enemy fighters?
They should be beheaded on Fox News. Cheaper than making them POWs and a lot more entertaining.
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Re: Cheaper and Cleaner [Re: Konnrade]
#5824377 - 07/05/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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"What precisely is your point here?
You seem to be taking issue with a blaringly obvious truth."
What "blaringly obvious truth" are you taking issue with my supposedly taking issue with?
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Edited by LunarEclipse (07/05/06 05:01 PM)
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The fact that it's cheaper and "cleaner" to kill someone than jail them.
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