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OfflineShampioenier
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Re: NO!!! listen! [Re: Cubenisseur]
    #5826892 - 07/06/06 08:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

mm. About instigating a cubensis plague :laugh: Well. Yes.
First of all, I am taking all my old 'spent cakes and tossin em in  big rubbish bags with pasteurized medium. Man... You know. I'm gonna have a SHROOMHOLE (nevermind fishin hole). Thats like 2 meters deep and two meters wide totally FILLED with spawn... In fact I am intending on making several such magical depots in the woods around town in sacred places so that there will always be a lot of shrooms. Establish a few mothercolonies. Of course it will take a year or two but I will send photos of mega shroomage in time...


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Re: NO!!! listen! [Re: Shampioenier]
    #5826914 - 07/06/06 08:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think this is the greatest idea... But you'll find out soon enough


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Re: NO!!! listen! [Re: Shampioenier]
    #5826915 - 07/06/06 08:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Have you seen much sign of activity in your bag yet?

2m deep seems pretty major. Unless the stuff you fill that hole with is somewhat loose, the mycelium may never reach the bottom - you might risk nutrient being rinsed away lower down before it was of any good.

It might work quite well in bark covered shady patches, the wood would give it something nice and loose, yet also relatively damp, to move through. You could use the bark as a kind of blanket for the mycelium to move through and colonise other patches nearby. If people are able to kick the bark around it might actually accelerate the rate that occurs.


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Re: NO!!! listen! [Re: johnuk]
    #5826925 - 07/06/06 08:33 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

why not young lion. do you work for the FDA?


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Re: NO!!! listen! [Re: Shampioenier]
    #5826946 - 07/06/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

and no i aint got a bag like that yet, no. Like I said. Thats later.
I intend on plowin and tilling quite deeply into the forest floor, and thoroughly mixing a truckload of spawn into patches that are moist throughout the year. You know. The magical glade places.


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Re: NO!!! listen! [Re: Shampioenier]
    #5826955 - 07/06/06 08:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)




"Mindlords with their spirit slaves:"
They have seen the wings in your eyes, and because they
have not wings the mindlords enslave your spirit. But the
power of spirit is mightier than the power of the mind and
the mindlords are laid to waste as the spirit rears in
penultimate, predestined, presuppressed majesty. To see you
aglow in the snow, oh loving eskimo. Deep in a forest were
trees cast deep dark shadow too cold even for the most
hardened eskimo there you were left in that grove led by
dark powers empowering itself by robbing you, but in turn
robbing itself, and enlightening Us. For the sun crept
indellibly across the sky, but cloaked in their darkness
with downturned boles basking in their own shade, when the
sun came they vanished as if never exiusted. When you were
born from your mothers womb you passed from Heaven into
Heaven with flying colours, and your birth was the first
day of spring. and your death shall be your first day of
eternal summer, the sun shall be at noon, and no shadow
shall be cast. The deep blue from on high, royal and
rolling, waiting for the fish, to swim again."

-Limwell.


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Re: NO!!! listen! [Re: Shampioenier]
    #5826960 - 07/06/06 08:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)



have a shroomy day!


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Re: NO!!! listen! [Re: Shampioenier]
    #5826963 - 07/06/06 08:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

more spores does not = better OR contam free. thats all...


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thats what u think. but mathematically speaking, it [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5826965 - 07/06/06 08:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

increases hyphal population, and therefore, does reduce contamination rate because of species dominance (See Stamets, Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms, 2000).


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Re: thats what u think. but mathematically speaking, it [Re: Shampioenier]
    #5826968 - 07/06/06 09:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Im not arguin cause you have nice ratings :laugh:
jus sayin


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Re: thats what u think. but mathematically speaking, it [Re: Shampioenier]
    #5826973 - 07/06/06 09:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

please refer back to the second part of my first post


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Re: thats what u think. but mathematically speaking, it [Re: Shampioenier]
    #5827431 - 07/06/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Shampioenier said:
increases hyphal population, and therefore, does reduce contamination rate because of species dominance (See Stamets, Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms, 2000).




Hyphal population is once the spore has already germinated.... hence (hyphae)  So instead you have increased spore population. Which if they all germinate will have the most random subspecies. Lots of different hyphae from sporulation, of a Whole lot of spores.

what you need is just 1 hyphae from sporulation, then take that to your honey water to grow... Chop it up to grow again, chop it again, and again...  ie.) magnetic stirer.

Then you'll have some nice LC  - Darker is not neccessarily better. "quote stamets on that also"

You'll see soon enough.... but Good Luck    :thumbup:


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Re: NO!!! listen! [Re: Oatman2000]
    #5827474 - 07/06/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You're on crack man. Learn english. Stop fantasizing. Come back to reality.


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Re: NO!!! listen! [Re: Yamidude]
    #5860822 - 07/15/06 05:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

u r dumb. According to Stamets and also chinese who uses HUGE amounts of spores in their mycelial broth fermentation, increased numbers of hyphae and more spores means there is more COMPETITION AND MORE COMPETITION MEANS THAT THE STRAIN THAT WINS IS MORE COMPETITIVE THAN YOUR PALTRY LITTLE SUGGESTION OF TOO FEW SPORES. Dont try and fucking tell me, u dum shidz.
You obviously know nothing of industrial scale mycelial fermentation technique pioneered by Chinese companies.
So juz shaddap.
More strains via increased spore mass means more competition, which means whichever compatible strains win kick a larger variety of as you say, subspecies', ass. Its about dominance, in this case not only species dominance but also dominance of individuals within said species... ... :smile:


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Re: NO!!! listen! [Re: Shampioenier]
    #5860832 - 07/15/06 06:05 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

APOLOGISE FOR SWEARING... jus angry not really. I know im right. IF you take 200 athletes in a race. instead of 20. there is more competition. Which means the even better one wins in the larger competition you know, just like its harder to win a lottery if there are more numbers involved. its simple math. More spores mean well. it REALLUY has to e the best strain in order to well, conquer the rest, which is what happenes. The tougher hyphae kick the others asses just like HUMAN BEINS. u kno...
the human race... the hyphal race...


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Re: NO!!! listen! [Re: Shampioenier]
    #5860838 - 07/15/06 06:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I thought all spores off the same shroom have the same genetics... its when you take a shroom from a different cake and mix the spores that you get competition... or maybe you can use just a different shroom on the same cake... idk.


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Re: NO!!! listen! [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5862737 - 07/15/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> I thought all spores off the same shroom have the same genetics...

No! They all actually have DIFFERENT genetics. Due to the principle of independent assortment of chromosomes, the chance of two spores having identical genetics is one out of 2^n. Where "n" equals the number of chromosome pairs. This also discounts recombination, so the chances are even slimmer than the previous equation would indicate.

Of course, they also all share 50% of their genetics, so they are much more closely related than spores from different parents.

You can look at it this way... The chances of them being identical is 1/(2^n), but the chances of them being totally different is also 1/(2^n). So on average they share 50% of their genetics.


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Re: NO!!! listen! [Re: fastfred]
    #5868361 - 07/17/06 06:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

ah yes, genetic diversity. And the thing with this one liquid batch is, of course, that they had 15 different parents (15 sporeprints into 500 ml 4% honeywater dilute... :laugh:
So id say they had pretty much o Id say, a lot of genetic diversity within the cambodian spectrum of thingalings...


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Re: NO!!! listen! [Re: Shampioenier]
    #5868362 - 07/17/06 06:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

thingz


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Re: NO!!! listen! [Re: Shampioenier]
    #5868878 - 07/17/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

hmmmm..... :yawn:


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