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C-Dizzle
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Lighting and ??Lumens??
#5821795 - 07/04/06 10:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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(1). What do the Lumens do, do you want high lumens or low lumens?
(2). My buddy has an 85 watt flouresent with 3200 Lumens.. Good or Bad..
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: C-Dizzle]
#5821911 - 07/04/06 11:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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(1) lumens are good, you want high lumens
(2) your buddys floros blow, get a bunch of T8 4'ers. Or wait for the T5 ballests to come down in price.
http://growfaq.marijuana.com/growfaq/589.htm
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: Legoulash]
#5821978 - 07/04/06 11:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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read this
http://content.sylvania.com/app/display.aspx?id=003680197
Lumens are for visible light, PAR is rarely used, but is for plant use.
Rah is correct in general, but only because manufacturers list there lights in Lumens rather than PAR's
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Okay so now you go here and tell me whats up
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=76870-3-67445
its a sylvanna jsut liek the link u gave me, and i found that before i checked up on the post ehre, sounds good to me.. It says it puts out jsut as much shit as a 300watt but saves energy
Edited by calab (07/05/06 12:21 AM)
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: C-Dizzle]
#5822105 - 07/05/06 12:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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also that light can give me 1,333 days of 12/12 or 666days of 24/0... eitherway i think that would be enough for a couple grows at different times... This is what im buying... its HPS, it put out jstu as much shit as a 300watt even though its only 70... Its hella fucking cheap, scraws intoa light socket, no ballast needed.... I think im getting hooked up, I also have a 10.00 Lighting Timer, that i can use, i jstu plug it into the wall, plug the lamp into the timer thingy, and set the dial, and then 12/12, or w/e i want
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: C-Dizzle]
#5822489 - 07/05/06 02:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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it helps to know what your growing. your light lookjs good for cacti and such, but if its weed your gonne need alot more then that.
your florescant tubes sound good to me, there just too weak for weed. if u want good yield u need serious lights.
im not sure about that bulb, i strongly advise u wait for replies on that before u buy one. i suspect its about equal to 36 watts of florescant tube, like energy savers (they advertise them in a similar fashin here).
the timer thingy is a good idea though.
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: C-Dizzle]
#5822628 - 07/05/06 04:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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That bulb will not run in a standard socket, it's a replacement bulb for HPS security lights which have a ballast. No HPS bulbs will run in a standard socket.
The claim that it will put out the same as a 300W bulb is rediculous.
Stop messing around, save some money and buy a real 400 or 600w light and ballast.
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: C-Dizzle]
#5822630 - 07/05/06 04:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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That link doesn't work for me, but just cause the bulb fits in a regular socket doesnt mean it doesnt need a ballast.
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: C-Dizzle]
#5822703 - 07/05/06 06:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you do want to run such a light you'll need this to run it.
http://www.goodmart.com/products/243278.htm
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: Hanky]
#5823074 - 07/05/06 10:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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With a ballast, you could use that to grow MJ, but the light wont penetrate the canopy well, so you need to ScrOG them.
But fuck 70W, I bet you could get a 150W or 250W HPS 'security light' for 50-$75 dollars.
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yes when i called them, they said they have 400W HPS for 28.00s and a ballast for another 20.00s or so. Im jsut going to the website, which doesnt handle what they said they had
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: C-Dizzle]
#5823699 - 07/05/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, let me try this again, if you go with hardware store cheap crap your gonna get hardware store cheap results. Hardware store bulbs will work (not that 70watt chunk of crap or every grower would be using them) but don't have the spectrum of a grow bulb and it shows when the plant grows.
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: Magash]
#5824443 - 07/05/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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alright
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: C-Dizzle]
#5824762 - 07/05/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Heres a cheaper but reliable place for hps http://www.mdhydro.com/ht-high-pressure-sodium.html They have more than what they list on the site if you want to contact them.
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: metasin]
#5825424 - 07/05/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah im adding that to ym favorites and im gunan try to get that with my next couple of checks
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: C-Dizzle]
#5825928 - 07/05/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wattage : 1000 (+118) Reflector : Megalux (+15) Bulb : Sunmaster HO 1000 (+42) Digital Thermometer : YES (+4) Warranty : 45 Day $179.01
Does that sound good?
Im guessing it asks for wattage so they know what ballast to give you?
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: C-Dizzle]
#5826060 - 07/06/06 12:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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A $15 reflector is gonna be some real bullshit. And if this is gonna be a cabinet grow, then you'll need an air cooled reflector hood for 1000w. I learned a similar lesson recently. There is no cheap way out, calab. Unless you're not shooting for quality buds to smoke. But that's kinda the whole point of this all I would think.
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: Anonymous]
#5827793 - 07/06/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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EERRRRR alright, but i seen the relfector and it looks nice, but let me find out if they have air cooled reflectors..
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: C-Dizzle]
#5828448 - 07/06/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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1000w lights suck, they produce far too much heat, stick with 400's or 600's.
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: Hanky]
#5828474 - 07/06/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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What would be hotter, one 1000w, or two 600w ??
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: Anonymous]
#5828854 - 07/06/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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per watt a 600 would be hotter. 1000 is the most efficient for the amount of light and heat you get.
And Caleb you can build your own air cooled hood wiht items from craft stores or wal mart, Buy a glass tube thats used to go over oil burners or candles. I know Michaels craft store has a goofy shapped one(Huricane style) that fits a 1000w hps just fine.
Check out hte OverGrow faq that i sent you.
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: Legoulash]
#5829021 - 07/06/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I havent got your mail yet, about the overgrow FAQ, and im guessing this glass peice goes under the bulb, kinda liek snapping it into the reflector..
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: Legoulash]
#5829524 - 07/06/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Rah said: per watt a 600 would be hotter. 1000 is the most efficient for the amount of light and heat you get.
I've always seen the opposite.
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: Legoulash]
#5829638 - 07/06/06 09:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm now against cool tubes as well, thanks to my grower friend. They fuck up the light spread. You need an air cooled hood instread.
I pretty much went from advocating full-on ghetto tek'king to top notch connisuer shit. hahahahaha, but hey, quality is king.
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: Anonymous]
#5830219 - 07/07/06 12:41 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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1000watts light systems are in fact the most inefficent. The best is 600 watt systems. One of the reasons they are the number one system used in Europe is cause their power cost so much more they need as efficent as they can get.
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: C-Dizzle]
#5830239 - 07/07/06 12:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jeeze man look some stuff up. You wanna make a cool tube you need something called a bake around.  http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll...ound&category0=
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: Magash]
#5830307 - 07/07/06 01:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i have all these thigns laying around my house...
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: C-Dizzle]
#5831484 - 07/07/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I REALLY wanna put a cooltube (I've got that bake-around) inside a tubular scrog, and place the whole thing in a... round garbage can.
100% of the light that gets past the glass is used, no need for a reflector. The scrog will keep plant # down, easy to find materials, & pretty inconspicuous to have a garbage can in your garage. As soon as i get about $250 (i still need a ballast) i will definitely try to pimp out a garbage can.
I might even change my name to Oscar if it works out right!
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why would u change ur name to Oscar?
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That's actually a pretty good idea. You should line the inside and the bottom of the lid of the trashcan in mylar too
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: C-Dizzle]
#5834299 - 07/08/06 03:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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calab said: why would u change ur name to Oscar?
ahh, im not going to tell u, if you can't figure it out. I hope other got it 
& u figure it out
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: Anonymous]
#5834314 - 07/08/06 04:01 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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paradis said: That's actually a pretty good idea. You should line the inside and the bottom of the lid of the trashcan in mylar too
I think it is a GREAT idea. 400W might even been too much. If i could some how find a duel chamber (top & bottom) or i could just put a 5 gal. bucket in the bottom, with some external service feature(Im thinking a pvc tube that connects to the bottom of the bucket, through the can, and 90* it up to the proper water level). Then put 2 plant sites on the outer rim of the bucket. Place a chicken wire tube on top and train the plants to the outside of the screen. Mount a 250 or 400w to the top of the lid with a Pyrex (or a like) bake-around tube surrounding. Insert into the middle of the tube.
too bad I'm broke.
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"ahh, im not going to tell u, if you can't figure it out. I hope other got it"
Ahhhh...gold old Oscar the grouch
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: Magash]
#5834329 - 07/08/06 04:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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google. Oscar + garbage = Magash picture
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Re: Lighting and ??Lumens?? [Re: Magash]
#5834338 - 07/08/06 04:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Magash said: "ahh, im not going to tell u, if you can't figure it out. I hope other got it"
Ahhhh...gold old Oscar the grouch
maybe were both drunk
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ha nice
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