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Phishe
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What is enlightenment?
#5821525 - 07/04/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I always have heard talk that acid enlightens you. I'd like to know your examples.
I feel that i have in fact been enlightened but its in an odd way. I see many different faces in trees, walls, and many other paterns and deseigns. I feel like I have developed a new way of looking at things. Like the doors in my had have unlucked much more imagination. Would you consider this enlightenment or am i a fool?
I'm not a very religious guy, i have more belief in aliens than a god. Please dont flame.
Edited by Phishe (07/04/06 09:43 PM)
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ElectricJW
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Re: What is enlightenment? [Re: Phishe]
#5821578 - 07/04/06 09:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I haven't personally done acid, but I'm sure the enlighten part is when you get a new perspective on life and that this perspective seems to shatter everything you ever thought as being real. Your whole outtake of life is different, like you find beauty in everything, trees, grass, etc.
But to each person, this experience of enlightment is going to be different.
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Phishe
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Re: What is enlightenment? [Re: ElectricJW]
#5821593 - 07/04/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I do sort of feel what you're talking about also. I'm experience everything with more interest. Plants colors are so more vivid. I really see the detail in trees and grass, their edges come out of me like they've been given so much more life.
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thatiAM
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Re: What is enlightenment? [Re: Phishe]
#5821808 - 07/04/06 10:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It has to do with accepting life and whatever you get. It is being selfless because the personal self doesn't matter at all. Letting yourself be sad if you are sad, and feeling that. It is always enjoying whatever life has to offer, even if it is not what you expect.
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Phishe
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Re: What is enlightenment? [Re: thatiAM]
#5821834 - 07/04/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, then i may not be enlightened, I dont really know. I just feel like a changed person. Like i'm enjoying things i lost the thrill of. And ive really lost the fear of death. It will come when it will and i feel like ive accomplished life no matter how far ive gotten.
Shouldnt the personal self matter too. You dont want to let go to yourself. I know i dont. Bad things could come there needs to be some reasoning involved.
Edited by Phishe (07/04/06 11:08 PM)
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Re: What is enlightenment? [Re: Phishe]
#5821871 - 07/04/06 11:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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After my very large dose last night, I am feeling a lot different. I believe I just got back onto baseline a couple hours ago. At least an 18 hour total. Well, I had ego-death and was thinking about all of this. All of everything. Here is there and everywhere. There is no future because everything is just happening all at once, we just don't recognize it. These hits were estimated at ~90 mics. If they were I took at least 900 mics.
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Phishe
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Re: What is enlightenment? [Re: shroomanic]
#5821946 - 07/04/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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your afterglow must be amazing.
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thatiAM
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Re: What is enlightenment? [Re: Phishe]
#5822736 - 07/05/06 07:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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When enlightenment happens you know absolutely without a doubt that it's happened. If it is the most important thing to you, you won't be able to avoid it.
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StickyWater
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Re: What is enlightenment? [Re: thatiAM]
#5822868 - 07/05/06 09:21 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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stop trying to label it, what do you gain from questioning whether you've been enlightened or not? If you've noticed any change just appreciate it for what it is and what it does for you. I know what you mean about the edges of trees, etc. I've only ever done shrooms but constantly throughout the day people notice that I start looking off at the clouds, constantly glancing back at them or trees, plants, whatever. Always runningdown all the curves and edges and lines like each edge just seems to stand out and lead to yet another edge that stands out to your eye. Enjoy it, go for a walk with some music or something.
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DinahTheCat
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Re: What is enlightenment? [Re: StickyWater]
#5822890 - 07/05/06 09:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlightenment is 5-15 dollars a hit.
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Re: What is enlightenment? [Re: DinahTheCat]
#5822973 - 07/05/06 09:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlightenment? Not at all! Illumination, maybe. Enlightenment is permanent. For me illumination is the "absolute moment of clarity" but not everyone experiences that on psychedelics.
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Edited by Kras (07/05/06 09:58 AM)
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Re: What is enlightenment? [Re: Kras]
#5823055 - 07/05/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your right, enlightenment is supposed to be there always when reached. I suppose lsd or a pyschedelic drug could help someone reach it, but it byself wouldnt, i was just poking fun at what leary tried to pretty much do in the 60's, spreading around lsd in the wrong way.
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Phishe
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Re: What is enlightenment? [Re: StickyWater]
#5823624 - 07/05/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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StickyWater said: stop trying to label it, what do you gain from questioning whether you've been enlightened or not? If you've noticed any change just appreciate it for what it is and what it does for you. I know what you mean about the edges of trees, etc. I've only ever done shrooms but constantly throughout the day people notice that I start looking off at the clouds, constantly glancing back at them or trees, plants, whatever. Always runningdown all the curves and edges and lines like each edge just seems to stand out and lead to yet another edge that stands out to your eye. Enjoy it, go for a walk with some music or something.
Thanks a lot, that was very helpful. It is very enjoyable going for walks. I went for one yesterday!
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Re: What is enlightenment? [Re: Phishe]
#5823673 - 07/05/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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there is no universal enlightenment, only changing persepectives. perspective changes can be positive, like what you've experienced. I would say that you have a new perspective.
if somebody wants to tell me what they mean by "enlightenment" i'd be glad to weigh that definition in my proposed evaluation of the original question.
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Re: What is enlightenment? [Re: StickyWater]
#5823852 - 07/05/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
StickyWater said: stop trying to label it, what do you gain from questioning whether you've been enlightened or not? If you've noticed any change just appreciate it for what it is and what it does for you. I know what you mean about the edges of trees, etc. I've only ever done shrooms but constantly throughout the day people notice that I start looking off at the clouds, constantly glancing back at them or trees, plants, whatever. Always runningdown all the curves and edges and lines like each edge just seems to stand out and lead to yet another edge that stands out to your eye. Enjoy it, go for a walk with some music or something.
That is the answer right there. If you gain anything out of your experience it should be that. We are a culture for trying to understand and "label" everything around us but it becomes clear to any experienced person that the world is infinite. "By the cleansing the doors of perception, everything would appear to man as it is- infinite." Our minds are merely finite contraptions it would impossible for us to fathom the infinite universe out there. Just accept every minor inkling you can experience.
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Re: What is enlightenment? [Re: Phishe]
#5823918 - 07/05/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Drugs are fun but they don't offer enlightenment. Two people can take the same dosage of the same substance and have totally different experiences. You get out of it what you take in with you. Enlightenment isn't something you can sense or even observe. You might even say it's the opposite of those things. Enlightenment is simply knowing that everything around you is a social construction and the only thing that's real is that which exists without language or definition or form. But that's not it either. It can't be explained in language. Language it simply a series of labels that can't describe that wich bears no description. It's terribly complicated but infinitely simple. Go read some books, especially "Zen Mind, Beginners Mind" by Suzuki.
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Re: What is enlightenment? [Re: no_satori]
#5824627 - 07/05/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's seeing the world as it actually is, without the bias of like or dislike. It is simply experience. Its feeling the air blow on your skin, seeing the sunset, watching an ant crawl with a leaf in its mouth, feeling the keys under your fingers as you type, or simply taking a shit. Every moment, when experienced fully, is the ultimate expression of enlightenment.
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Re: What is enlightenment? [Re: Quoiyaien]
#5824951 - 07/05/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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werds are werds and terds are terds
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Re: What is enlightenment? [Re: Great Scott]
#5825272 - 07/05/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: werds are werds and terds are terds
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