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netherstrain
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homemade brown rice flour extra fine vs chunkier
#5821316 - 07/04/06 08:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is for those of you who had to make their own brown rice flour, which is better extra fine or leaving it kinda chunky.
* I have heard various ways, but i have noticed if you leave it chunkier it seem to expands during sterilizationing suffocating the cake.
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Re: homemade brown rice flour extra fine vs chunkier [Re: netherstrain]
#5821421 - 07/04/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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interesting you should mention this, as i was wondering the exact same thing while grinding down my rice grains earlier. i found it hard to turn everything into a fine powder, and was left with some chunks no matter what. i can only imagine that the finer the material, the greater surface area, and therefore the nutrients would be more readily available to the expanding mycelium network.
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Re: homemade brown rice flour extra fine vs chunkier [Re: netherstrain]
#5821434 - 07/04/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its kind of hard to get it to a flour using a blender/grinder. Try to get it as flour as you can but the sand like chunks wont hurt anything.
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Re: homemade brown rice flour extra fine vs chunkier [Re: Psychoslut]
#5821444 - 07/04/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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inbetween is actually best.
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Re: homemade brown rice flour extra fine vs chunkier [Re: mycopsycho]
#5821819 - 07/04/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have found that fine powder works the best. I have done it both ways and its seems it causes a few problems when it's chunkier. The rice holds more water (to much water= con tams) and it expands to much (lack of air flow and takes longer to colonized. That batch I had the most amount of contams (out of 20 or so jars 4 contamed- Rarely do I even get one contam). And the conlonization took almost 5 days longer than most.
This is just IMO. Maybe you should try doing both half of each mark the jars and them you can see which one you prefer 
If you want to use whole grains you can do that but you want to cook it first. It's actually a different tek. (spawn bags and so forth are more forgiving in that aspect)
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Re: homemade brown rice flour extra fine vs chunkier [Re: malarki]
#5822688 - 07/05/06 06:33 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have made it both ways and have not been able to tell any difference in functionality. Freshly-ground rice flour works better than the store-bought stuff, prolly because it's fresher. The best thing I have done recently was to use natural water (from a creek, lake), soak it in some compost or manure for a few days (a couple handfuls per gallon), then use that water to make the cakes. Big, big difference in colonization speed, size of fruits, and number of flushes. GL.
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Re: homemade brown rice flour extra fine vs chunkier [Re: netherstrain]
#5823872 - 07/05/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I use a coffee burr grinder and it comes out sorta flaky.
It works great!~
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Re: homemade brown rice flour extra fine vs chunkier [Re: netherstrain]
#5824285 - 07/05/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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From my experience if you leave the peices of rice unground or not ground into a powder or flour the mycelluim wont colnate it. Peices that are larger than probably a quarter of a piece of rice is too big. Some of my first jars ended up with rice pieces still in them, not whole peices but halves and quarters and once the mycellium reached those pieces it simply did not colonate. So I would reccommend using a coffie grinder and getting it as fine as you possible can. If you want more support for your shrooms just use a larger grain vermiculite when you make your substrates.
I believe its because larger pieces or chunkier pieces are too large for the mycellium to extract its needed nutrients from it. I could be wrong but this is from my own observations.
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Re: homemade brown rice flour extra fine vs chunkier [Re: 2FiNiTe]
#5824307 - 07/05/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
2FiNiTe said: From my experience if you leave the peices of rice unground or not ground into a powder or flour the mycelluim wont colnate it. Peices that are larger than probably a quarter of a piece of rice is too big. Some of my first jars ended up with rice pieces still in them, not whole peices but halves and quarters and once the mycellium reached those pieces it simply did not colonate. So I would reccommend using a coffie grinder and getting it as fine as you possible can. If you want more support for your shrooms just use a larger grain vermiculite when you make your substrates.
I believe its because larger pieces or chunkier pieces are too large for the mycellium to extract its needed nutrients from it. I could be wrong but this is from my own observations.
wow, really? I just made some jars of wbs but i was a little short on wbs, so i instead added a cup of rice left as whole pieces. I then proceed to make a very large sauce pan of strong black ass coffee. Brought it all to a boil, through in the rice and wbs cooked it on high for about 20 mins, pced as usual. The next day i injected them and six days later found all my jars fully colonized.
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Re: homemade brown rice flour extra fine vs chunkier [Re: 2FiNiTe]
#5824326 - 07/05/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
2FiNiTe said:
From my experience if you leave the peices of rice unground or not ground into a powder or flour the mycelluim wont colnate it. Peices that are larger than probably a quarter of a piece of rice is too big. Some of my first jars ended up with rice pieces still in them, not whole peices but halves and quarters and once the mycellium reached those pieces it simply did not colonate. So I would reccommend using a coffie grinder and getting it as fine as you possible can. If you want more support for your shrooms just use a larger grain vermiculite when you make your substrates.
I believe its because larger pieces or chunkier pieces are too large for the mycellium to extract its needed nutrients from it. I could be wrong but this is from my own observations.
there is a tek that uses whole rice...
and it works!~
just thought I should let you know.

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