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Veritas

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twelvelookslikeu said: I think they should stop giving us false beliefs that everyone strives to become and cant which causes such depression and no self worth.
No one gives us beliefs, they offer ideas which we can decide to accept or not. What makes the difference between feeling passively brainwashed and actively forming our own belief system is critical thinking.
We choose to accept media saturation because it is what everyone else does, and probably because it is easier to blame the media for our messes than to turn off the TV and live our lives.
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twelvelookslikeu
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Re: THE MEANING OF LIFE [Re: Veritas]
#5825489 - 07/05/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You know what I meant.
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Re: THE MEANING OF LIFE [Re: Veritas]
#5825857 - 07/05/06 11:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Critical thinking is learned though, wouldn't you agree?
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Veritas

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Yes, of course critical thinking is learned (or not ).
Who has the responsibility for learning critical thinking skills?
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Philanthropist
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Re: THE MEANING OF LIFE [Re: Schwammel]
#5844634 - 07/10/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well I'm glad you recognize that you exist but do you recognize that you exist only because of necessity. Our reason to exist is to take care of ourselves and our future survival. I hate it when people base bias on "what if" scenarios. I swear to god that god to me isn't anything but the thought process that occurrs within every humans brain. Today somebody asked me if I believe everything in the bible literally. I responded by saying that if a snakes can talk in one passage is sounds like a childrens book. The only thing that their cross stands for is that if you live your life in a good loving way that Jesus lived people will become jealous and persecute you for being different. Lets face it, the average human has little understanding of what is beyond their materialism. Sadly saying for females little is nobody. Socrates is a great thinker that was persecuted for trying to give a perspective on life to those who feared what they could not understand. That is why i fear talking to anybody about my beliefs for i was raised with out a religion intentionally. Shit on this website i don't even know why i would give the chance for anybody to find out my identity in the first place this place is designed for illegal activity and fuckin overgrow was busted. I can't believe how much shit i have witnessed in the past 2 years.
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What if the meaning of life is survival of the fittest? What if it's "he who dies with the most toys wins"? What if there is no meaning to life, but it's all a crap shoot and the lives of those who survive past you don't matter any more than to the extent that they serve your own gratification?
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Re: THE MEANING OF LIFE [Re: Trepiodos]
#5845575 - 07/11/06 01:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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What if you're all wrong?
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Re: THE MEANING OF LIFE [Re: slaphappy]
#5845664 - 07/11/06 02:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The meaning of life...? isn't that asking what life means? think about it.. i don't think that question makes much sense. I mean you could ask "what does my life mean?" but really what answer will be able to answer that question. there are so many different forms of life. asking what the meaning of a mushroom is, is the same as asking what the meaning of life is. to find an answer to the meaning of life thing would have to hold true for all forms of life... so.. yeah..
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Philanthropist
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Going in depth to the many answers that mankind may say about the reason for existence I have found other less suitable answers for this question compared to my first approach. One may believe that the world that we know is comprehensible to us or that we are unable to grasp the nature of existence and is incomprehensible. Due to our limitations of our senses there may be more to existence than what we know. All human beings share the concept that our lives matter in one way or another and desire to feel important. Basically the meaning of existence to those who share the comprehensible approach is that whatever we are feeling at the moment is the purpose of that moment.
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survival
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Re: THE MEANING OF LIFE [Re: Schwammel]
#5852441 - 07/12/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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What is, is better than what if, unless is depends on if, but if will always be secondary to the is. What is real, if is fake. I would like to thank everyone who responded in my thread with the phrase "what if" because it is something that if remains the of in the unknown.
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There is no short-term solution to all of our problems right now from my point of view, as the only thing that brings people together is catastrophe (edit: and even that doesn't always work) and it's hard to wish for such things.
Think of the laziest most superficial person you know. What would it take to get them to actually do something noble for a change? change is the keyword here... I'm not talking about a career, just something as simple as risking their neck for a complete stranger, out of the goodness of their heart. Not everyone deserves it. But the more people who put forth the extra bit, the more people there are who do deserve it. Consider if there is more "good" than "evil" in the world and what it takes to ensure it if there is? People (I'm generally addressing the younger half of the demographic) have forgotten or not received that these are the things that MATTER... these are the stories of the most value to future generations. People talk about our survival on this planet in terms of food and other logistics... what about our sanity? We put the focus on ME ME ME... keep ME alive, at all costs. Why do you think the Islamic extremists have such an easy time blowing themselves up? I think its because, in their world, their is little value to "ME" unless you do something as brave as give your own life for a cause. Unfortunately, the leaders of this bullshit have brainwashed them into thinking their fighting the good fight. But the point is, throughout history millions of men have given their lives. What makes you so special? What you have done for humanity? I'm not asking anyone to give their life, but if you can't muster up 15 minutes a day to do something for somebody besides yourself, you deserve to rot someplace far from the place we call home.
So back to the issue of survival. Yes, we should have a plan for food and for medicine and vaxines and all that, but what the fuck is the plan for our MINDS? Do not our minds control our actions? What's going to happen when some leader like Hitler gains the support of the people again?
Is our sanity such a marginal necessity nowadays? Are we to rely on the government to keep that for us? What I'm trying to say is that we still have a choice to either put our tiny efforts towards a greater good, or we can let those bent on fucking things up for everyone, for this reason or that, do just that, by sitting back and letting others choose for us while we sip on coca colas and watch TV.
Consider a catastrophic event, where one's measly existence is threatened and held on by a thread. The motivating factor to do good at this point might just be an attempt to buy a last minute ticket into heaven in disguise, or the sudden realization that one's entire life has been meaningless, but suddenly ... THERE IT IS ... a purpose! When one's life is threatened, things that once played such an important role in every day life become meaningless. ( but aren't our lives threatened every single day in one form or another?)
Do you think (for you 911 conspiracy theorists) that this is what the U.S. government is experimenting with? Shake up the public, and promote unity in the face of danger and see how far it goes? It's tough to say. Then again I wouldn't be surprised if money were the only issue, if there was such a conspiracy.
Anyway, what I think we need is some sort of enlightenment on the human condition that does not wreak of pre-Industrial times. We're living in such a unique time right now, maybe it becomes harder and harder for the majority to rely on and put their faith in religions that are onlyp centuries old in most cases, and the thought of taking their spirituality past anything mainstream thought frightens them.. I can't help but think of something funny Steven Colbert said about Bush... he said "the man believes the same thing Wednesday as he did on Monday, no matter what happens on Tuesday!" When I heard that it made perfect sense. Is that the ultimate problem with people?
People grow up thinking, quite naturally, there is some answer to the meaning of life always just waiting around the corner. For me, a lot of the mystery seemed solved with my experience with psychedelics, but there is still much mystery. But as time goes on, and no answers seem to come... people start to stop giving a fuck, stop looking. I don't mean to pick on anyone but I know a lot of people who might claim to be Christian or this or that, but they basically follow the whole meaningless existence category, careless attitudes and careless hedonism.
I do not necessarily think we have a single purpose... I actually think our purpose is left for us to decide. But we should not sit around waiting for someone else to decide it for us.
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Edited by kake (07/12/06 11:11 PM)
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