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The Lion and the Lettuce
    #5820743 - 07/04/06 07:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Heres a post to help identify wild lettuce AKA Lactuca virosa.
many people confuse them with dandylions, and today i found both growing next to eachother, making for a nice photo opp:



topleft: Lactuca serriola
topright: Dandylion
bottemleft: Lactuca serriola
bottemright: both

ok so the L serriola is nealy identical to L virosa except that it has more and longer spines on the main vain on the bottem of the leaf.
about up to 2mm on L serriola and 1mm and less on L. virosa, wich may have leafs with no spines at all on the main vain.
also the serriola's leafs tend to have a 90 degree twist in them, where the virosa does not.
L. serriola emits a white juice where any part is damaged.
im not sure about L virosa, but dandylions definetly dont do that. (edit: yes they do :S)

both L verisa and L. serriola are active.


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Re: The Lion and the Lettuce [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5820798 - 07/04/06 07:25 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the photos and comparison.


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Re: The Lion and the Lettuce [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5820806 - 07/04/06 07:27 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

my pleasure dude :smile:


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Re: The Lion and the Lettuce [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5820819 - 07/04/06 07:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Does potency vary from either of the two?

I remember as a kid I would pick dandelions and squeeze the flower stem.I remember a distinct white liquid would come out of the stem.The liquid was thin and would seep from the walls of the hollow stem.


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Re: The Lion and the Lettuce [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5820917 - 07/04/06 08:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i dont realy know about potency, im just getting aquainted with the plant.
i recently bought a fieldguide and this is what i found wile testing it out in my neigborhood.
the info is from that.

as for the dandylion and juice, what this plant makes looks milky, like opium latex, and it seeps from every part of the plant.

so if you tare the tip off a leaf white stuff will come out immediatly without squeesing or anything.

also if im not mistaken dandylions make 1 stem with 1 flower.
accoring to my fieldguide lactuca has flowers in clusters.


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Re: The Lion and the Lettuce [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5820966 - 07/04/06 08:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting.

What field guide do you have?

Take more pictures and add more info when you obtain both!


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Re: The Lion and the Lettuce [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5820986 - 07/04/06 08:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

its this one: http://www.lijsters.nl/heukelsflora/
its 'the' guide for holland, unfortunatly all info on it is in dutch aswell... (lol)

essentialy its a giant identification guide.
its a system where u answer a bunch of questions like 'if woody stem go to #xx' wich u go trough and end up at the description of the plant.
allorganised by species n stuff so u get its cousins etc on the surrounding pages.

it was expensive, 45 euro's.
but well worth the money, as now i can identify most anything i come across in these parts :smile:


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Re: The Lion and the Lettuce [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5826641 - 07/06/06 06:55 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i just accuired a L. virosa and noticed another difference between it and L. serriola:

L. virosa has a very long taproot, not unlike a thin carrot,
whereas the L. serriola does not.


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Re: The Lion and the Lettuce [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5827868 - 07/06/06 04:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Can you provide a picture of both to compare them?


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Re: The Lion and the Lettuce [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5827889 - 07/06/06 04:35 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

well the virosa is kinda limp right now, but once it recovers ill
make some comparison shots.


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Re: The Lion and the Lettuce [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5827937 - 07/06/06 04:48 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

WoW good aticle on this stuff.


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Characteristics.─The leaves of garden lettuce, Lactuca sativa, when too old and going to seed, have a bitter taste, and the stalk then contains a milky juice which is intensely bitter. This juice contains Lactucin, and is common to all lettuces, but is especially virulent in L. vir., from which (as well as well as from Lact. sat.) Lactucarium, or "Lettuce Opium," is prepared. It has a soporific action, and is used "instead of Opium to allay cough, quiet nervousness, and induce sleep in cases where, from idiosyncrasy, Opium is not borne" (Brunton). This use of lettuces has been known from very remote times, and has not been added to by old-school observers. The sleep-provoking powers of Lactuca are recognised by sensitive persons who eat ordinary garden lettuce in salad. HomÅ“opathic provings and records of poisonings have produced an extensive array of symptoms. A simple reading of the symptoms will show what a powerful agent we possess in Lactuca, though the homÅ“opathic uses have not been as extensive as the proving seems to warrant. As an instance of poisoning I take this from C. D. P. A man, 25, ate Lact. v. in a salad, 7 p.m. Went to bed at 9. Was waked at 11 with sharp colicky pains, soon followed by nausea and vomiting, which lasted all night. Fell asleep at 5 a.m., but in the morning was astonished to find himself unable to distinguish objects clearly. A boy of 10 who ate of the same meal became affected with lively delirium at midnight, and it lasted till morning; he jumped about on the bed, played all sorts of pranks, and nobody could quiet him.





Here's the rest of the article
http://www.homeoint.org/clarke/l/lact_vir.htm

I can't tell if it's really good or really bad.
Any comment on how to use it, or how you use it?


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    #5828018 - 07/06/06 05:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: The Lion and the Lettuce [Re: pod3]
    #5828167 - 07/06/06 05:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

yeah i read somewhere at erowid that they cut the stem at a certain height and collect the white sap and dry that.
then they take a thin slice off and start over.


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Re: The Lion and the Lettuce [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5830172 - 07/07/06 02:24 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: The Lion and the Lettuce [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5830202 - 07/07/06 02:34 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

nice :smile:
i agree with that poster too, i found my plants virtualy on my porch
in the middle of the city...


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Re: The Lion and the Lettuce [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5831659 - 07/07/06 03:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

hey i just found out, dandylions do make white juice in the leafs,
so thats not an identifying trait...


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Re: The Lion and the Lettuce [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5831864 - 07/07/06 04:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

In the link I posted,he shows L.virosa.It is obviously producing juice/latex.

Also I stated the dandelions have a hollow stem.This is incorrect.I was confusing it with the very small dandelions.I dont know if L.virosa is actually THE dandelion.But I am sure the dandelion is a name that is subjective to different parts of the world.

Anyway,I am going out in a few to try and find both L.serriola and L.virosa.I will take pictures if I can find some batteries.

I assume the plants you posted pictures of are the young 1st year lactuca?If the link to entheogen.com is correct then they would be ready next year.

We need rain in my area bad.It has been a ridiculously dry summer.


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Re: The Lion and the Lettuce [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5831874 - 07/07/06 04:08 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Also the link I posted shows the "virosa" but it looks like what you posted as "serriola".I am confused.haha


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Re: The Lion and the Lettuce [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5831935 - 07/07/06 04:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

But I am sure the dandelion is a name that is subjective to different parts of the world.




the one i was refering too is: Taraxacum officinalis, i believe your small dandylion.

im not sure about the growing cycle but my serriola is about 8 inches across, still very small.

on the surface virosa and serriola are identicle cept the leafs are proprotionaly longer on the virosa and the ones ive seen are a more neat rosette instead of the serriola wich looks a bit messy with the twisting leafs compared to virosa.


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Re: The Lion and the Lettuce [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5831966 - 07/07/06 04:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Ok I see now.I was confused because in your first post you say virosa then later in the post you say serriola.

Just to make sure I am on the same page as you,in the set of pictures you posted:the 2 on the left are L.serriola and the two on the right are Taraxacum officinalis?There is not a virosa in the picture correct?


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