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TheFish
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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: cookeman]
#5440015 - 03/24/06 11:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The cooker has a gauge. You will adjust the setting on your stovetop to reach the "said psi". Heat controls the pressure in a literal sense. If you don't have the time to make dry runs with exact amounts of water, then smoke a bowl and monitor it for an hour.
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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: cookeman]
#5440492 - 03/25/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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cookeman said: sorry, i assumed that meant it would release pressure as in like the weight would when it would start jiggling. So does it keep the pressure at a set 15 p.s.i.? I guess I just don't understand how it works. i'm really interested though

All the older AA's have the valve pictured above. Current models AA sterilizers all have the valve.
The valve has a SPRING inside it. Which is designed to hold pressure & not release it. Until internal pressure reaches the 22 to 26 psi range.
So, with an AA equipped with this valve. You simply apply heat to the pot. As the pot heats, the internal pressure increases. WITHOUT ANY LOSS OF STEAM OR INTERNAL MOISTURE.
Once internal pressure reaches the desired range (15/18psi).
 On the gauge.
You DECREASE the heat, to MAINTAIN the DESIRED pressure.
If you happen to ignore the AA, while it is being heated.
If the internal pressure begins to approach the 22 psi range.
The valve will begin to CHIRP & emit steam in little spurts.
As it approaches 26 psi, it will begin emitting lots of steam & whistling LOUDLY.
So, the PC doesn't build pressure beyond manufactures recommendations. The chirp first, is a mild warning. The whistling steam release is a LOUD WARNING.
What is GREAT about the valve is this. At the desired psi range (15/18), it does not emit one iota of steam.
Meaning, the PC doesn't lose ANY moisture. Given that fact, you can PC for hours on end, if you wish. And, the PC will still have the same amount of water, inside it.
The advantages are, you can use FAR LESS WATER to begin with. And, PC for as long a cycle - as you wish.
Simply stated, with a weight system, that is NOT THE CASE. As, under pressure, it consistently emits a small amount of moisture. Meaning, over time, it WILL RUN DRY.
The reason new AA PC's went to the weight, is it COSTS LESS. Than the VALVE.
The valves still come standard on AA sterilizers.

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cookeman
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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: agar]
#5440538 - 03/25/06 09:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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agar said:
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cookeman said: sorry, i assumed that meant it would release pressure as in like the weight would when it would start jiggling. So does it keep the pressure at a set 15 p.s.i.? I guess I just don't understand how it works. i'm really interested though
You're the king agar. Thanks, I got it now. I'm definitely getting that toggle gauge dealy lol. Thanks!

All the older AA's have the valve pictured above. Current models AA sterilizers all have the valve.
The valve has a SPRING inside it. Which is designed to hold pressure & not release it. Until internal pressure reaches the 22 to 26 psi range.
So, with an AA equipped with this valve. You simply apply heat to the pot. As the pot heats, the internal pressure increases. WITHOUT ANY LOSS OF STEAM OR INTERNAL MOISTURE.
Once internal pressure reaches the desired range (15/18psi).
 On the gauge.
You DECREASE the heat, to MAINTAIN the DESIRED pressure.
If you happen to ignore the AA, while it is being heated.
If the internal pressure begins to approach the 22 psi range.
The valve will begin to CHIRP & emit steam in little spurts.
As it approaches 26 psi, it will begin emitting lots of steam & whistling LOUDLY.
So, the PC doesn't build pressure beyond manufactures recommendations. The chirp first, is a mild warning. The whistling steam release is a LOUD WARNING.
What is GREAT about the valve is this. At the desired psi range (15/18), it does not emit one iota of steam.
Meaning, the PC doesn't lose ANY moisture. Given that fact, you can PC for hours on end, if you wish. And, the PC will still have the same amount of water, inside it.
The advantages are, you can use FAR LESS WATER to begin with. And, PC for as long a cycle - as you wish.
Simply stated, with a weight system, that is NOT THE CASE. As, under pressure, it consistently emits a small amount of moisture. Meaning, over time, it WILL RUN DRY.
The reason new AA PC's went to the weight, is it COSTS LESS. Than the VALVE.
The valves still come standard on AA sterilizers.

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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: cookeman]
#5445686 - 03/26/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright, we're on to another try here, I think this is number 4 (or is it 5?) I wiped the lip with a paper towel and re-parffined it. Was that neccesary? Also, this will be the third tme these rye jars have been PC'd, and they look kinda brown. I suppose I should toss them, lol. I hope this works :-)
*Update* It's working! I guess I just had to crank those nuts down good. You know, it is up kinda high, so I'm not getting a whole lot of leverage, maybe they just weren't very tight to begin with. I hope the lid comes off...
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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: WhAcKeD]
#5446295 - 03/27/06 05:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I believe I read in the manual that removing the weight immediately after the pressure drops helps the lid come off easier. I can't say whether or not it's true, but I do remember reading that.
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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: FooMan]
#5454790 - 03/29/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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*Update* Well, it's not leaking, which is really great, but the lid is still getting stuck. I have to pry in about 3 different spots with a (very) large screwdriver, and when it breaks loose it make loud 'pop'. I even tried the last three times I ran it, removing the weight as soon as pressure gets to 0, but that doesn't help. I wiped the seal with a paper towel and ringed it with parrafin, lightly at first, then lightly + vaseline, then just heavy with paraffin, but none of those helped.
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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: WhAcKeD]
#5454807 - 03/29/06 11:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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buy a mirro :p
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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: WhAcKeD]
#5455895 - 03/29/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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WhAcKeD said: *Update* Well, it's not leaking, which is really great, but the lid is still getting stuck. I have to pry in about 3 different spots with a (very) large screwdriver, and when it breaks loose it make loud 'pop'. I even tried the last three times I ran it, removing the weight as soon as pressure gets to 0, but that doesn't help. I wiped the seal with a paper towel and ringed it with parrafin, lightly at first, then lightly + vaseline, then just heavy with paraffin, but none of those helped.
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It will break in with time. Just keep using it correctly and keep that seal lubed. Make sure you don't damage the PC with using a screwdriver. 
All in the patience.
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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: cappa]
#5461724 - 03/30/06 09:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright
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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: WhAcKeD]
#5568676 - 04/28/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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how long should it take to get to 15 psi using a 930 fitted with a toggle?
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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: Tweexican]
#5569344 - 04/29/06 01:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you have it on a burner, pre-heating while you load it.
Then cinch the top down & turner the burner on high.
It should only take a couple minutes.
Once it reaches about 12 psi, turn the burner DOWN.
As psi will continue to climb.
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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: agar]
#5569502 - 04/29/06 02:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Man, you guys really tempt me to buy one of those AA 925s and sell my old trusty Mirro 22-quart. They look _NICE_.
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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: Blue Helix]
#5814296 - 07/03/06 12:31 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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its normal for the overpressure plug to leak steam until 5 psi. I also get leakage around my weight gauges threading until 5 psi. Read the instructions. A very thin layer of lubricant should last 3-4 runs. I just let the pc start heating up. Wipe off the rim and apply vaseline while its hot. Makes for Just a tad that stays on the seal. after about 5 runs I never had to pry it loose again.
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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: JSshroom]
#5814993 - 07/03/06 06:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're crazy for tightening those things with a vicegrip. Those plastic things are the only thing that can break on your AA. They will break eventually if you don't treat them right.
As far as pressure, AAs won't explode. They're 10 times sturdier than any other PC I've seen and they all will handle 15 psi, so I bet the AA could do at least 50-60 no problem. I've seen them with the needle pegged for hours before with no problem, so don't worry about them exploding. In fact, the gages even still work right, even after being pegged many times over long periods.
Those toggles look really nice. The AA does have a rather loud weight system. As far as getting the lid off... You need to hit it with a hammer. I never found the lids to get easier to remove after time. Take a hammer and TAP it firmly in the direction you would turn it to remove the lid. One or two sharp, but not hard, raps should pop it. Don't hit it down or up, just in the direction you need to turn it. I'm surprised nobody already mentioned this.
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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: fastfred]
#5816538 - 07/03/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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you stole that avatar fastfred LOL I like it too.
I do not have to use a hammer. if you read the manual it sais use a screwdriver and insert it into the latch NOT THE EDGE WHERE THE SEAL IS and pry up.
I personally do not need to do either. I just turn it by hand to open it. Also opening it with 1-2 lbs of pressure left will pop it loose as well. Just take the weight off and start loosening the wing nuts and the whole lid will pop loose. PS I am not taking a hammer to my 150$ AA PC
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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: JSshroom]
#5818145 - 07/03/06 11:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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RR was kind enough to let me use his pic as my avatar. All hail RR and the amazing shroom bible!
A hammer isn't going to damage a solid piece of milled aluminum like an AA. It never even put a scuff in the one I used.
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Re: Questions about how everyone uses there All American... [Re: fastfred]
#5820079 - 07/04/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just PC'd some bags of wbs for 2 1/2 hrs. left the pressure weight on it all night. I turned the stove off and went to bed. Which according to the manual is supposed to form a tight vacuum. Got up and set up the impulse sealer. Took the weight off and turned the lid open with no effort. I think its just a matter of breaking them in.
damage or not. No hammer to my AA
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