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InvisiblePsychoChipmunk
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Re: Where do we find our savior? [Re: Trepiodos]
    #5822568 - 07/05/06 03:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Trepiodos said:
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slaphappy said:
We're dependant because we are born with sin.



I do not believe that someone who just came into being is already encumbered with sin. It seems rather silly that one could be guilty without ever committing an act. Sin cannot exist without volition, it requires choosing actions in contradiction to a moral code.

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If I'd been brought up believing that I was fundamentally evil, I'd be leaning towards something too.



That's a good description of 'original sin,' the fundamental evil of the innocent. The concept is just another propaganda tool of those running religions to dupe the unquestioning faithful.




Your post got me thinking about concept of original sin a different way. Forget the garden of Eden, I think the original sin is that certain religions and cultures have, for untold ages, perpetuated this idea that man is inherently flawed and evil.


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Re: Where do we find our savior? [Re: PsychoChipmunk]
    #5822796 - 07/05/06 08:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

People -- what have you done --
Locked him in his golden cage.
Made him bend to your religion --
Him resurrected from the grave.
He is the God of nothing --
If thats all that you can see.
You are the God of everything --
Hes inside you and me.
So lean upon him gently
And dont call on him to save you
From your social graces
And the sins you used to waive.
The bloody church of england --
In chains of history --
Requests your earthly presence at
The vicarage for tea.
And the graven image you-know-who --
With his plastic crucifix --
Hes got him fixed --
Confuses me as to who and where and why --
As to how he gets his kicks.
Confessing to the endless sin --
The endless whining sounds.
Youll be praying till next thursday to
All the gods that you can count.
-Jethro

(If you haven't already, it's time to get Aqualung, my friend.)

"The endless whining sounds."

Reminds me of someone I know...

The savior is music and it's already here... :thumbup:


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Re: Where do we find our savior? [Re: Trepiodos]
    #5822871 - 07/05/06 09:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:

Salvation lies within.


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Re: Where do we find our savior? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5824794 - 07/05/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Look to the one who creates your everday for your salvation. Where else can you look to, The living creator protects and destroys at disgression entirely its own.

I know that if any person on Earth began to actively heal and cure the sick and injured, it would make great headlines. Do you think the Lord would bistow a gift so great on any one human to use however they saw fit, be it in with vast wisdom... Wonder what good it would do to heal someone of a disease? so that they look at you as some sort of powerful entity. so that they can go back to what ever sort of life they were leading.... who can tell who deserves to be saved besides G_d??

Jesus taught that God created him as the original vine, from which all branchs grow.


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Re: Where do we find our savior? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5824807 - 07/05/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What is "salvation" though? I've always defined it as post-mortem consciousness/life


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Re: Where do we find our savior? [Re: Trepiodos]
    #5826448 - 07/06/06 03:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

the`world isnt 12,000 years old when will these people just accept their book for all it CAN be, a set of stories on how to live your life, NOTHING MORE.

Jesus, talked like a Taoist often, and he was a radical hippie, most christians I meet dont even know what the word means, or that the oil they were anioted with, called for 9 pounds of the flowering tops of canna-bossom :smile:


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Re: Where do we find our savior? [Re: signoffate]
    #5826454 - 07/06/06 03:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

GOD never wrote a book, EVER. :wink:


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Re: Where do we find our savior? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #5828083 - 07/06/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

There is alot more to the bible than that you just haven't looked hard enough. Your right God never did write a book.


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Re: Where do we find our savior? [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
    #5830395 - 07/07/06 02:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't believe in original sin. I was just giving a reason why people would do and think what they do and think, when they are told that they are evil. You probarly got that.

However ... isn't it time we stopped yapping like the know-it-alls we are, and actually join forces and do something? I'm antsy.


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Re: Where do we find our savior? [Re: Trepiodos]
    #5830493 - 07/07/06 03:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I do not believe that someone who just came into being is already encumbered with sin. It seems rather silly that one could be guilty without ever committing an act. Sin cannot exist without volition, it requires choosing actions in contradiction to a moral code.

The moral code would be obedience, the sin the choosing itself. Man being inherently evil, any choice not controlled by external circumstances is flawed. The idea of original sin may have its roots in religion, but the branches extend into every area of the modern state - for what else is election, but the picking of someone free from sin, so he may make decisions on your behalf. There is historical continuity from the monarch who rules at the pleasure of the deity, to the elected president. The latter would not exist, where he not historically preceded by the former.


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Re: Where do we find our savior? [Re: Nomad]
    #5830499 - 07/07/06 03:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Nomad said:
I do not believe that someone who just came into being is already encumbered with sin. It seems rather silly that one could be guilty without ever committing an act. Sin cannot exist without volition, it requires choosing actions in contradiction to a moral code.

The moral code would be obedience, the sin the choosing itself. Man being inherently evil, any choice not controlled by external circumstances is flawed. The idea of original sin may have its roots in religion, but the branches extend into every area of the modern state - for what else is election, but the picking of someone free from sin, so he may make decisions on your behalf. There is historical continuity from the monarch who rules at the pleasure of the deity, to the elected president. The latter would not exist, where he not historically preceded by the former.




:thumbup:

Exactly.


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Re: Where do we find our savior? [Re: slaphappy]
    #5832057 - 07/07/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Slappy you hit it right on the spot. Most people on here think they know it all but dont. If we would all work together we could help each other out.





Yea right!


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